Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

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Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- When Steven Hawks is tempted by ice cream
bars, M&Ms and toffee-covered almonds at the grocery store, he doesn't pass
them by. He fills up his shopping cart.

It's the no-diet diet, an approach the Brigham Young University health
science professor used to lose 50 pounds and to keep it off for more than
five years.

Hawks calls his plan "intuitive eating" and thinks the rest of the country
would be better off if people stopped counting calories, started paying
attention to hunger pangs and ate whatever they wanted.

As part of intuitive eating, Hawks surrounds himself with unhealthy foods
he especially craves. He says having an overabundance of what's taboo helps
him lose his desire to gorge.

There is a catch to this no-diet diet, however: Intuitive eaters only eat
when they're hungry and stop when they're full.

That means not eating a box of chocolates when you're feeling blue or
digging into a big plate of nachos just because everyone else at the table
is.

The trade-off is the opportunity to eat whatever your heart desires when
you are actually hungry.

"One of the advantages of intuitive eating is you're always eating things
that are most appealing to you, not out of emotional reasons, not because
it's there and tastes good," he said. "Whenever you feel the physical urge
to eat something, accept it and eat it. The cravings tend to subside. I
don't have anywhere near the cravings I would as a 'restrained eater."'

Hawks should know. In 1989, the Utah native had a job at North Carolina
State University in Raleigh and wanted to return to his home state. But at
210 pounds, he didn't think a fat person could get a job teaching students
how to be healthy, so his calorie-counting began.

He lost weight and got the job at Utah State University. But the pounds
soon came back.

For several years his weight fluctuated, until he eventually gave up on
being a restrained eater and the weight stayed on.

"You definitely lose weight on a diet, but resisting biological pressures
is ultimately doomed," Hawks said.

Several years later and still overweight at a new job at BYU, Hawks decided
it was time for a lifestyle change.

He stopped feeling guilty about eating salt-and-vinegar potato chips. He
also stopped eating when he wasn't hungry.

Slowly and steadily his weight began to drop. Exercise helped.

His friends and co-workers soon took notice of the slimmer Hawks.

"It astonished me, actually," said his friend, Steven Peck. "We were both
very heavy. It was hard not to be struck."

After watching Hawks lose and keep the weight off for a year and a half,
Peck tried intuitive eating in January.

"I was pretty skeptical of the idea you could eat anything you wanted until
you didn't feel like it. It struck me as odd," said Peck, who is an
assistant professor at BYU.

But 11 months later, Peck sometimes eats mint chocolate chip ice cream for
dinner, is 35 pounds lighter and a believer in intuitive eating.

"There are times when I overeat. I did at Thanksgiving," Peck said. "That's
one thing about Steve's ideas, they're sort of forgiving. On other diets if
you slip up, you feel you've blown it and it takes a couple weeks get back
into it. ... This sort of has this built-in forgiveness factor."

The one thing all diets have in common is that they restrict food, said
Michael Goran, an obesity expert at the University of Southern California.
Ultimately, that's why they usually fail, he said.

"At some point you want what you can't have," Goran said. Still, he said
intuitive eating makes sense as a concept "if you know what you're doing."

Intuitive eating alone won't give anyone six-pack abs, Hawks said, but it
will lead to a healthier lifestyle. He still eats junk food and keeps a jar
of honey in his office, but only indulges occasionally.

When i do this with dried fruits, nuts aanf yogurt made from cream
periodically, up she goes and it takes work to level off.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

This guy acts as if he invented this idea, which has been around in theory
since the '70's when Bob Schwartz wrote the book "Diet's don't work" and
Suzie Orbach did her book, then there were a landslide of them written.
One of the later ones was actually called "Intuitive eating" wonder if he
will get sued for not giving the author credit.

--
Lesanne
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Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

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Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- When Steven Hawks is tempted by ice cream
bars, M&Ms and toffee-covered almonds at the grocery store, he doesn't pass
them by. He fills up his shopping cart.

It's the no-diet diet, an approach the Brigham Young University health
science professor used to lose 50 pounds and to keep it off for more than
five years.

Hawks calls his plan "intuitive eating" and thinks the rest of the country
would be better off if people stopped counting calories, started paying
attention to hunger pangs and ate whatever they wanted.

As part of intuitive eating, Hawks surrounds himself with unhealthy foods
he especially craves. He says having an overabundance of what's taboo helps
him lose his desire to gorge.

There is a catch to this no-diet diet, however: Intuitive eaters only eat
when they're hungry and stop when they're full.

That means not eating a box of chocolates when you're feeling blue or
digging into a big plate of nachos just because everyone else at the table
is.

The trade-off is the opportunity to eat whatever your heart desires when
you are actually hungry.

"One of the advantages of intuitive eating is you're always eating things
that are most appealing to you, not out of emotional reasons, not because
it's there and tastes good," he said. "Whenever you feel the physical urge
to eat something, accept it and eat it. The cravings tend to subside. I
don't have anywhere near the cravings I would as a 'restrained eater."'

Hawks should know. In 1989, the Utah native had a job at North Carolina
State University in Raleigh and wanted to return to his home state. But at
210 pounds, he didn't think a fat person could get a job teaching students
how to be healthy, so his calorie-counting began.

He lost weight and got the job at Utah State University. But the pounds
soon came back.

For several years his weight fluctuated, until he eventually gave up on
being a restrained eater and the weight stayed on.

"You definitely lose weight on a diet, but resisting biological pressures
is ultimately doomed," Hawks said.

Several years later and still overweight at a new job at BYU, Hawks decided
it was time for a lifestyle change.

He stopped feeling guilty about eating salt-and-vinegar potato chips. He
also stopped eating when he wasn't hungry.

Slowly and steadily his weight began to drop. Exercise helped.

His friends and co-workers soon took notice of the slimmer Hawks.

"It astonished me, actually," said his friend, Steven Peck. "We were both
very heavy. It was hard not to be struck."

After watching Hawks lose and keep the weight off for a year and a half,
Peck tried intuitive eating in January.

"I was pretty skeptical of the idea you could eat anything you wanted until
you didn't feel like it. It struck me as odd," said Peck, who is an
assistant professor at BYU.

But 11 months later, Peck sometimes eats mint chocolate chip ice cream for
dinner, is 35 pounds lighter and a believer in intuitive eating.

"There are times when I overeat. I did at Thanksgiving," Peck said. "That's
one thing about Steve's ideas, they're sort of forgiving. On other diets if
you slip up, you feel you've blown it and it takes a couple weeks get back
into it. ... This sort of has this built-in forgiveness factor."

The one thing all diets have in common is that they restrict food, said
Michael Goran, an obesity expert at the University of Southern California.
Ultimately, that's why they usually fail, he said.

"At some point you want what you can't have," Goran said. Still, he said
intuitive eating makes sense as a concept "if you know what you're doing."

Intuitive eating alone won't give anyone six-pack abs, Hawks said, but it
will lead to a healthier lifestyle. He still eats junk food and keeps a jar
of honey in his office, but only indulges occasionally.

"My diet is actually quite healthy. ... I'm as likely to eat broccoli as
eat a steak," he said. "It's a misconception that all of a sudden a diet is
going to become all junk food and high fat," he said.

In a small study published in the American Journal of Health Education,
Hawks and a team of researchers examined a group of BYU students and found
those who were intuitive eaters typically weighed less and had a lower risk
of cardiovascular disease than other students.

He said the study indicates intuitive eating is a viable approach to
long-term weight management and he plans to do a larger study across
different cultures. Ultimately, he'd like intuitive eating to catch on as a
way for people to normalize their relationship with food and fight eating
disorders.

"Most of what the government is telling us is, we need to count calories,
restrict fat grams, etc. I feel like that's a harmful message," he said.

"I think encouraging dietary restraint creates more problems. I hope
intuitive eating will be adopted at a national level."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet.fitness/12/05/intuitive.eating.ap/index
html

If your intuition tells you to avoid chips, pop, pasta, white bread,
and sugar, then his "no diet diet" will work. If your intutition tells
you to watch calories, restrict fat and eat a lot of "low calorie"
refined carb [censored], then the "intuitive no diet diet" will fail and you
will get fatter.

The concept of not dieting to regain control of your weight is not new.

Here is how it works. People get concerned that they are gaining weight

so they dutifully do as they are told, eat less fatty foods and more
carbs. Fat is 9 calories per gram and carbs are 4 calories per gram.
Makes sense. Cut the calories by eating fewer high fat foods and more
low-fat foods. Except they end up putting more weight on. So they
redouble their efforts and diet more by restricting more high-calorie
fat and eating more low-calorie carbs. And they get fatter. Eventually
they tire of failing and they stop dieting. They revert back to eating
more normal foods like meat with fat and regular carbs, a more
"intuitive" "no diet" "diet", and lo and behold they start to lose
weight on the "no diet diet".

In other words, a random diet is more likely to be conducive to losing
weight than the low-fat low-calorie high-carb diet they tried to use to

lose weight. Which males sense when you understand that a low fat diet
has been shown to fail in 95% of cases. If it was a valid concept, it
would invariably work in 95% or more of cases. The fact that it fails
in the statistically significant 95% of cases means that it does not
work, period. Which means that virtually any diet that does not
restrict fat will work better. Even an "intuitive" high fat "no diet"
"diet" will work better than a diet that fails 95% of the time.

Eat real food. Real food just happens to be low carb and chock full of
real nutrition. And even with more fat in the diet, you will lose
weight and be healthier. How much more intuitive can it get than that?

TC

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exzuberance said:

Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- When Steven Hawks is tempted by ice cream
bars, M&Ms and toffee-covered almonds at the grocery store, he doesn't pass
them by. He fills up his shopping cart.

It's the no-diet diet, an approach the Brigham Young University health
science professor used to lose 50 pounds and to keep it off for more than
five years.

Hawks calls his plan "intuitive eating" and thinks the rest of the country
would be better off if people stopped counting calories, started paying
attention to hunger pangs and ate whatever they wanted.

As part of intuitive eating, Hawks surrounds himself with unhealthy foods
he especially craves. He says having an overabundance of what's taboo helps
him lose his desire to gorge.

There is a catch to this no-diet diet, however: Intuitive eaters only eat
when they're hungry and stop when they're full.

That means not eating a box of chocolates when you're feeling blue or
digging into a big plate of nachos just because everyone else at the table
is.

The trade-off is the opportunity to eat whatever your heart desires when
you are actually hungry.

"One of the advantages of intuitive eating is you're always eating things
that are most appealing to you, not out of emotional reasons, not because
it's there and tastes good," he said. "Whenever you feel the physical urge
to eat something, accept it and eat it. The cravings tend to subside. I
don't have anywhere near the cravings I would as a 'restrained eater."'

Hawks should know. In 1989, the Utah native had a job at North Carolina
State University in Raleigh and wanted to return to his home state. But at
210 pounds, he didn't think a fat person could get a job teaching students
how to be healthy, so his calorie-counting began.

He lost weight and got the job at Utah State University. But the pounds
soon came back.

For several years his weight fluctuated, until he eventually gave up on
being a restrained eater and the weight stayed on.

"You definitely lose weight on a diet, but resisting biological pressures
is ultimately doomed," Hawks said.

Several years later and still overweight at a new job at BYU, Hawks decided
it was time for a lifestyle change.

He stopped feeling guilty about eating salt-and-vinegar potato chips. He
also stopped eating when he wasn't hungry.

Slowly and steadily his weight began to drop. Exercise helped.

His friends and co-workers soon took notice of the slimmer Hawks.

"It astonished me, actually," said his friend, Steven Peck. "We were both
very heavy. It was hard not to be struck."

After watching Hawks lose and keep the weight off for a year and a half,
Peck tried intuitive eating in January.

"I was pretty skeptical of the idea you could eat anything you wanted until
you didn't feel like it. It struck me as odd," said Peck, who is an
assistant professor at BYU.

But 11 months later, Peck sometimes eats mint chocolate chip ice cream for
dinner, is 35 pounds lighter and a believer in intuitive eating.

"There are times when I overeat. I did at Thanksgiving," Peck said. "That's
one thing about Steve's ideas, they're sort of forgiving. On other diets if
you slip up, you feel you've blown it and it takes a couple weeks get back
into it. ... This sort of has this built-in forgiveness factor."

The one thing all diets have in common is that they restrict food, said
Michael Goran, an obesity expert at the University of Southern California.
Ultimately, that's why they usually fail, he said.

"At some point you want what you can't have," Goran said. Still, he said
intuitive eating makes sense as a concept "if you know what you're doing."

Intuitive eating alone won't give anyone six-pack abs, Hawks said, but it
will lead to a healthier lifestyle. He still eats junk food and keeps a jar
of honey in his office, but only indulges occasionally.

"My diet is actually quite healthy. ... I'm as likely to eat broccoli as
eat a steak," he said. "It's a misconception that all of a sudden a diet is
going to become all junk food and high fat," he said.

In a small study published in the American Journal of Health Education,
Hawks and a team of researchers examined a group of BYU students and found
those who were intuitive eaters typically weighed less and had a lower risk
of cardiovascular disease than other students.

He said the study indicates intuitive eating is a viable approach to
long-term weight management and he plans to do a larger study across
different cultures. Ultimately, he'd like intuitive eating to catch on as a
way for people to normalize their relationship with food and fight eating
disorders.

"Most of what the government is telling us is, we need to count calories,
restrict fat grams, etc. I feel like that's a harmful message," he said.

"I think encouraging dietary restraint creates more problems. I hope
intuitive eating will be adopted at a national level."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet.fitness/12/05/intuitive.eating.ap/index
html

If your intuition tells you to avoid chips, pop, pasta, white bread,
and sugar, then his "no diet diet" will work. If your intutition tells
you to watch calories, restrict fat and eat a lot of "low calorie"
refined carb [censored], then the "intuitive no diet diet" will fail and you
will get fatter.

The concept of not dieting to regain control of your weight is not new.

Here is how it works. People get concerned that they are gaining weight

so they dutifully do as they are told, eat less fatty foods and more
carbs. Fat is 9 calories per gram and carbs are 4 calories per gram.
Makes sense. Cut the calories by eating fewer high fat foods and more
low-fat foods. Except they end up putting more weight on. So they
redouble their efforts and diet more by restricting more high-calorie
fat and eating more low-calorie carbs. And they get fatter. Eventually
they tire of failing and they stop dieting. They revert back to eating
more normal foods like meat with fat and regular carbs, a more
"intuitive" "no diet" "diet", and lo and behold they start to lose
weight on the "no diet diet".

In other words, a random diet is more likely to be conducive to losing
weight than the low-fat low-calorie high-carb diet they tried to use to

lose weight. Which males sense when you understand that a low fat diet
has been shown to fail in 95% of cases. If it was a valid concept, it
would invariably work in 95% or more of cases. The fact that it fails
in the statistically significant 95% of cases means that it does not
work, period. Which means that virtually any diet that does not
restrict fat will work better. Even an "intuitive" high fat "no diet"
"diet" will work better than a diet that fails 95% of the time.

Eat real food. Real food just happens to be low carb and chock full of
real nutrition. And even with more fat in the diet, you will lose
weight and be healthier. How much more intuitive can it get than that?

You will never catch me squirreling away caches of bacon, butter,
mayonnaise, olive oil and cheese because I already use them on a
regular basis and have for the five years of successful maintenance.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

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exzuberance said:

Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- When Steven Hawks is tempted by ice cream
bars, M&Ms and toffee-covered almonds at the grocery store, he doesn't pass
them by. He fills up his shopping cart.

It's the no-diet diet, an approach the Brigham Young University health
science professor used to lose 50 pounds and to keep it off for more than
five years.

Hawks calls his plan "intuitive eating" and thinks the rest of the country
would be better off if people stopped counting calories, started paying
attention to hunger pangs and ate whatever they wanted.

As part of intuitive eating, Hawks surrounds himself with unhealthy foods
he especially craves. He says having an overabundance of what's taboo helps
him lose his desire to gorge.

There is a catch to this no-diet diet, however: Intuitive eaters only eat
when they're hungry and stop when they're full.

That means not eating a box of chocolates when you're feeling blue or
digging into a big plate of nachos just because everyone else at the table
is.

The trade-off is the opportunity to eat whatever your heart desires when
you are actually hungry.

"One of the advantages of intuitive eating is you're always eating things
that are most appealing to you, not out of emotional reasons, not because
it's there and tastes good," he said. "Whenever you feel the physical urge
to eat something, accept it and eat it. The cravings tend to subside. I
don't have anywhere near the cravings I would as a 'restrained eater."'

Hawks should know. In 1989, the Utah native had a job at North Carolina
State University in Raleigh and wanted to return to his home state. But at
210 pounds, he didn't think a fat person could get a job teaching students
how to be healthy, so his calorie-counting began.

He lost weight and got the job at Utah State University. But the pounds
soon came back.

For several years his weight fluctuated, until he eventually gave up on
being a restrained eater and the weight stayed on.

"You definitely lose weight on a diet, but resisting biological pressures
is ultimately doomed," Hawks said.

Several years later and still overweight at a new job at BYU, Hawks decided
it was time for a lifestyle change.

He stopped feeling guilty about eating salt-and-vinegar potato chips. He
also stopped eating when he wasn't hungry.

Slowly and steadily his weight began to drop. Exercise helped.

His friends and co-workers soon took notice of the slimmer Hawks.

"It astonished me, actually," said his friend, Steven Peck. "We were both
very heavy. It was hard not to be struck."

After watching Hawks lose and keep the weight off for a year and a half,
Peck tried intuitive eating in January.

"I was pretty skeptical of the idea you could eat anything you wanted until
you didn't feel like it. It struck me as odd," said Peck, who is an
assistant professor at BYU.

But 11 months later, Peck sometimes eats mint chocolate chip ice cream for
dinner, is 35 pounds lighter and a believer in intuitive eating.

"There are times when I overeat. I did at Thanksgiving," Peck said. "That's
one thing about Steve's ideas, they're sort of forgiving. On other diets if
you slip up, you feel you've blown it and it takes a couple weeks get back
into it. ... This sort of has this built-in forgiveness factor."

The one thing all diets have in common is that they restrict food, said
Michael Goran, an obesity expert at the University of Southern California.
Ultimately, that's why they usually fail, he said.

"At some point you want what you can't have," Goran said. Still, he said
intuitive eating makes sense as a concept "if you know what you're doing."

Intuitive eating alone won't give anyone six-pack abs, Hawks said, but it
will lead to a healthier lifestyle. He still eats junk food and keeps a jar
of honey in his office, but only indulges occasionally.

"My diet is actually quite healthy. ... I'm as likely to eat broccoli as
eat a steak," he said. "It's a misconception that all of a sudden a diet is
going to become all junk food and high fat," he said.

In a small study published in the American Journal of Health Education,
Hawks and a team of researchers examined a group of BYU students and found
those who were intuitive eaters typically weighed less and had a lower risk
of cardiovascular disease than other students.

He said the study indicates intuitive eating is a viable approach to
long-term weight management and he plans to do a larger study across
different cultures. Ultimately, he'd like intuitive eating to catch on as a
way for people to normalize their relationship with food and fight eating
disorders.

"Most of what the government is telling us is, we need to count calories,
restrict fat grams, etc. I feel like that's a harmful message," he said.

"I think encouraging dietary restraint creates more problems. I hope
intuitive eating will be adopted at a national level."

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet.fitness/12/05/intuitive.eating.ap/index
html

If your intuition tells you to avoid chips, pop, pasta, white bread,
and sugar, then his "no diet diet" will work. If your intutition tells
you to watch calories, restrict fat and eat a lot of "low calorie"
refined carb [censored], then the "intuitive no diet diet" will fail and you
will get fatter.

The concept of not dieting to regain control of your weight is not new.

Here is how it works. People get concerned that they are gaining weight

so they dutifully do as they are told, eat less fatty foods and more
carbs. Fat is 9 calories per gram and carbs are 4 calories per gram.
Makes sense. Cut the calories by eating fewer high fat foods and more
low-fat foods. Except they end up putting more weight on. So they
redouble their efforts and diet more by restricting more high-calorie
fat and eating more low-calorie carbs. And they get fatter. Eventually
they tire of failing and they stop dieting. They revert back to eating
more normal foods like meat with fat and regular carbs, a more
"intuitive" "no diet" "diet", and lo and behold they start to lose
weight on the "no diet diet".

In other words, a random diet is more likely to be conducive to losing
weight than the low-fat low-calorie high-carb diet they tried to use to

lose weight. Which males sense when you understand that a low fat diet
has been shown to fail in 95% of cases. If it was a valid concept, it
would invariably work in 95% or more of cases. The fact that it fails
in the statistically significant 95% of cases means that it does not
work, period. Which means that virtually any diet that does not
restrict fat will work better. Even an "intuitive" high fat "no diet"
"diet" will work better than a diet that fails 95% of the time.

Eat real food. Real food just happens to be low carb and chock full of
real nutrition. And even with more fat in the diet, you will lose
weight and be healthier. How much more intuitive can it get than that?

You will never catch me squirreling away caches of bacon, butter,
mayonnaise, olive oil and cheese because I already use them on a
regular basis and have for the five years of successful maintenance.

--
Diva
******
There is no substitute for the right food

I think there is a bit of confusion between cause and effect here. A
lot of folks who do "intuitive eating" are not overweight because their
bodies work right in the first place. They'd have to *work* at it to
become overweight.

I'm sure there are many people who eat when they're hungry and never
become fat. Looking at people who've never been fat might be useful
for maintenance, but it's not useful for losing weight as they haven't
done it.

Some of these folks with the lucky metabolism may have become fat from
overeating and just stopping that will work for them. It's probably
what every dieter should try first - before they *do* screw up their
metabolism.

But... if I eat M&M's and ice cream and chips, even in tiny portions,
my bg goes through the roof. And if I only ate when I was hungry with
high bg, that would pretty much mean eating constantly 24/7. I'm
*always* hungry when my bg is high. The glucose doesn't get into your
cells and every cell in your body is starving and *screaming* out in
hunger. Always thirsty too, since the blood is so thick with the
sugar, but the hunger is worse, IMO.

I remember about 7 or 8 years ago... coming back to work from lunch
where I'd eaten 2 BLT sandwiches, quite "enough" food for a meal by any
standard. Sat down at my desk and realized I was hungry - within a
half hour of having eaten the oversized lunch. I *intuitively* bought
a chocolate bar from the vending machine... and then passed out at my
desk.

Some of us have to non-intuitively get off the sugar and starch before
we can listen to our hunger.

It is amazing how much press this absurd diet has gotten. It only makes
sense from the standpoint of telling people what they want to hear. "Eat
intuitively" is like saying eat whatever you want. Duh. That is what most
people were doing as they gained weight. The person who stuffs themselves
beyond feeling full is not typical, in my opinion.

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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 14:41:57 GMT, "Lesanne" <[email hidden]>

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This guy acts as if he invented this idea, which has been around in theory
since the '70's when Bob Schwartz wrote the book "Diet's don't work" and
Suzie Orbach did her book, then there were a landslide of them written.
One of the later ones was actually called "Intuitive eating" wonder if he
will get sued for not giving the author credit.

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw it. I read "Overcoming
Overeating" what? 10 years ago? 15? And I think it was 10 or 20 years
old when I found it.

--
Kristen
343/249/142

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exzuberance said:

Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

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The one thing all diets have in common is that they restrict food, said
Michael Goran, an obesity expert at the University of Southern California.
Ultimately, that's why they usually fail, he said.

"At some point you want what you can't have," Goran said. Still, he said
intuitive eating makes sense as a concept "if you know what you're doing."

Quoted message said:

Eat real food. Real food just happens to be low carb and chock full of
real nutrition. And even with more fat in the diet, you will lose
weight and be healthier. How much more intuitive can it get than that?

TC

Actually, this is the way I have been "losing it" lately. I was so
interested in this article that I shared my experience with the doctor
mentioned. the thing about going ahead and eating something "dangerous"
is that you DO have to bear in mind that, if you do that every meal
every day, you are going to pork up fast! It's really the idea of
"moderation in all things." Personally, I'm delighted to have control
over this after a lifetime of trying every "diet" out there! It does
help to have some of the instruction and information you can get through
nutritional counseling or groups like WWers, though.
I tell you, I'm sitting here in my size 16 trousers wondering if they
are going to slip off when I stand up! Even the 14's are starting to
feel kind of roomy! I got into the 12's but they were still a tad snug.

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It's a troll post - check the headers.

Robin

Really. I don't even see why it was newsworthy in todays paper. It would
be sort of like me saying. "I can eat anything I want and lose weight,
as long as I don't want too much of anything" ;-) Big Duh.

--
Cheri

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This guy acts as if he invented this idea, which has been around in

theory

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since the '70's when Bob Schwartz wrote the book "Diet's don't work"

and

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Suzie Orbach did her book, then there were a landslide of them written.
One of the later ones was actually called "Intuitive eating" wonder if

he

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will get sued for not giving the author credit.

--
Lesanne

Robin King said:

"exzuberance" <[email hidden]> didn't write in message
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| Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

It's a troll post - check the headers.

Robin

sorry, this is a legit article that was on my "excite.com" page as well
as wherever "exuberance' got it and I'd be glad to forward you the
exchange I had of email with the professor in question. It's still up
there if you want to go to excite.com and find "health news."

check this out Robin:
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051206/D8EAFB502.html
before you call somebody a "troll" not that ***I*** am
exuberance, but it happens to be a legit article.

Robin King said:

"exzuberance" <[email hidden]> didn't write in message
news:[email hidden]...
| Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

It's a troll post - check the headers.

Robin

Robin King said:

"exzuberance" <[email hidden]> didn't write in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Professor loses weight on no-diet diet

It's a troll post - check the headers.

Robin

You conveniently snipped the link to the story at the bottom of the
post.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/diet.fitness/12/05/intuitive.eating.ap/in
dex.html

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Some of us have to non-intuitively get off the sugar and starch before
we can listen to our hunger.

Well put. True for many of us on asdl-c, but obviously not universal.

HG

"Nck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| check this out Robin:
| http://apnews.excite.com/article/20051206/D8EAFB502.html
| before you call somebody a "troll" not that ***I*** am
| exuberance, but it happens to be a legit article.

Perhaps I should have said it's a troll re-post. The original
article is, I know, entirely legitimate, but it was cross-posted in
the hope of producing some sort of flamewar. Note the fat ac-
ceptance newsgroup in the headers.
By the way, the REAL exzuberance has not posted for
quite a long time now.

Robin, Ill try to be more precise in the future

Robin, Quite the statement comming from someone who is pretty much the
biggest troll (apart from LV) in this newsgroup.

Robin King said:

It's a troll post - check the headers.

The only part of the headers needed is the newsgroups. For
any post made to both a fat acceptance newsgroup and a
diet support newsgroup can easily be labelled a troll post.
It's an inflamitory combination of groups.