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Steve, Magic and I took a high walk round Dovedale today and as we were
climbing up from Lover's leap we spotted a few sheep so I put Magic on
his lead. We could see a farmer walking along the ridge above us and
calling his sheep.

Later as we approached the top we could see him coming back on a
converging path. We had a great conversation with the chap who, as it
turned out, had farmed the area all his life. we learned about how many
sheep he had, and the problems with thistles he was not now allowed to
spray and the diseases his sheep were getting because he was not allowed
to dip.

We had a great chat and it ended up with him inviting us to the
farmhouse for a cup of tea or a tot of whisky if we were passing.

What a great experience!

And what a very refreshing change from some of the GOML posts we see
sometimes. I must say though that - and I know I haven't got the
experience of walking in the wilds that most here have - most farmers
I've come across have been at the very least friendly. I don't often
walk on my own, so I don't think it's a difference in attitude between
encountering a male walker and a female one; I honestly think that so
much fuss is made about the minority who don't want to see anyone on
their patch that it's all too easy to forget about the rest of the world
who are happy to stop for a chat or at the very least pass the time of
day.

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Steve, Magic and I took a high walk round Dovedale today and as we were
climbing up from Lover's leap we spotted a few sheep so I put Magic on
his lead. We could see a farmer walking along the ridge above us and
calling his sheep.

Later as we approached the top we could see him coming back on a
converging path. We had a great conversation with the chap who, as it
turned out, had farmed the area all his life. we learned about how many
sheep he had, and the problems with thistles he was not now allowed to
spray and the diseases his sheep were getting because he was not allowed
to dip.

We had a great chat and it ended up with him inviting us to the
farmhouse for a cup of tea or a tot of whisky if we were passing.

What a great experience!

And what a very refreshing change from some of the GOML posts we see
sometimes. I must say though that - and I know I haven't got the
experience of walking in the wilds that most here have - most farmers
I've come across have been at the very least friendly.

I haven't been keeping exact score, but Shropshire runs out about 99:1
in favour of friendly types .. although I've yet to be invited for any
Whiskey. And that includes the ones who find me in their back garden,
patting their sheepdog, going 'Well, there's a footpath on the map,
where is the damn thing?'. OK, a couple lied to me ('Don't know of any
FP through here mate'😉 but reversed their opinion when their dad showed
up and said 'Yep, used to run through the big barn'. 8>.

I've had one miserable foul-mouthed old g!t so far, but he sounded like
a Welsh immigrant (grid reference supplied on request. 8>.)

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I've had one miserable foul-mouthed old g!t so far, but he sounded like
a Welsh immigrant (grid reference supplied on request. 8>.)

I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp at
the time so I guess that's excusable.

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I've had one miserable foul-mouthed old g!t so far, but he sounded like
a Welsh immigrant (grid reference supplied on request. 8>.)

I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp at
the time so I guess that's excusable.

<G> And were they nicely edible?

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I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp

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the time so I guess that's excusable.

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<G> And were they nicely edible?

Dunno, I got blinded by a large torch and hit in the stomach with a stick
before I got chance to land one. I think maybe it was the overly
enthusiastic fire which gave us away. (This was a teenage thing by the way,
I'm a respectable citizen these days).

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I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp

at

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the time so I guess that's excusable.

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<G> And were they nicely edible?

Dunno, I got blinded by a large torch and hit in the stomach with a stick
before I got chance to land one. I think maybe it was the overly
enthusiastic fire which gave us away. (This was a teenage thing by the way,
I'm a respectable citizen these days).

I've been a fully paid up member of the Old Enough To Know Better club
for a good many years now. My body is well past its teens; however my
brain doesn't seem able to keep up and consequently every now and then I
find myself doing things that respectable middle-aged ladies really
ought not to be doing. I'm not a fish eater; if I were I can imagine
myself having a go at catching my own - much more fun (and cheaper) than
going to the fishmonger. I wonder what those funny words are on that
sign over there? Yes, that one. The one that looks like it might say
something like 'P-r-i-v-a...', no can't quite make it out. Oh well,
never mind. Pass the bait...

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I've had one miserable foul-mouthed old g!t so far, but he sounded like
a Welsh immigrant (grid reference supplied on request. 8>.)

There is a well known one somewhere in South Wales who routinely denies
access to a genuine PROW and I have heard of another South Walesian who
maintains a list of locals she permits to pass along her PROW without an
earful of abuse.

One of the hills we didn't actually visit on the Tibbie Shiels
Expedition had a farm at its base with a PROW (a rarity in Scotland with
its history of more relaxed access to the hills) whose owner had
actually been imprisoned for violence on those brave enough to attempt
to exercise their rights.

And then there is everyones friend, Old Nick himself who has recently
managed to get his murder conviction overturned on appeal.

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I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp at
the time so I guess that's excusable.

I can't recall ever meeting but I have come across evidence of them from
time to time from obstructed PROWs to fences and walls clearly aimed at
keeping trespassers out rather than livestock in.

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Roger Chapman so far this year 62 summits
New - 28 (Marilyns 14, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 34 (Marilyns 16, Nuttalls 24, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp at
the time so I guess that's excusable.

<G> And were they nicely edible?

Quite nice - if you're a monk !....:-)!
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I've only ever met one unfriendly landowner but I was poaching his carp at
the time so I guess that's excusable.

<G> And were they nicely edible?

Quite nice - if you're a monk !....:-)!

Is carp monkfish then?
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Quite nice - if you're a monk !....:-)!

Is carp monkfish then?

It was not unknown for Monasteries to be self- sufficient and for this
purpose they had their own fish ponds/lakes from which they would
extract carp for food!

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Bill Grey
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Quite nice - if you're a monk !....:-)!

Is carp monkfish then?

It was not unknown for Monasteries to be self- sufficient and for this
purpose they had their own fish ponds/lakes from which they would
extract carp for food!

One particular monastery, Margam Abbey, was fairly self-sufficient.
Indeed they had their own mill for the grinding of corn. The mill-race
is still extant, although it has long since dried up; the mill itself is
largely still in one piece, although since Cadw got wind of it the
owners have had to let it rot rather than carry out their original
restoration plans because Cadw put such onerous conditions on such
projects that normal people are unable to afford to go ahead, regardless
of what sort of job they would have done. How do I know this? The
current owner of the mill (which is a fair old walk from Margam Abbey -
it's in Pyle) is none other than my brother in law, who, being a handy
sort of chap, would have restored the mill to its former glory had he
been allowed to choose his own methods of doing so. As it is, the mill
and all its works will slowly decay and become completely useless, and
all because Cadw insisted on listing it.

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As it is, the mill
and all its works will slowly decay and become completely useless, and
all because Cadw insisted on listing it.

That's very sad.

Judith

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Quite nice - if you're a monk !....:-)!

Is carp monkfish then?

It was not unknown for Monasteries to be self- sufficient and for this
purpose they had their own fish ponds/lakes from which they would
extract carp for food!

and the carp extracted their food from....

AJH

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Fran said:

As it is, the mill
and all its works will slowly decay and become completely useless, and
all because Cadw insisted on listing it.

That's very sad.

We're all in agreement there. Cadw insist on their own choice of
builders and suchlike for restorations, and they insist on inspecting it
every step of the way. My brother in law would be perfectly capable of
doing all the work on his own or with a couple of specially selected
helpers; however that's not good enough for Cadw, who want the 'best'.
Since their idea of 'best' is invariably the most expensive option...
well you can guess the rest. Oddly, no crime is committed if the place
is left to rot, but if you start the restoration process it has to be
done to Cadw's specification or they start throwing books.

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It was not unknown for Monasteries to be self- sufficient and for this
purpose they had their own fish ponds/lakes from which they would
extract carp for food!

One particular monastery, Margam Abbey, was fairly self-sufficient.
Indeed they had their own mill for the grinding of corn. The mill-race
is still extant, although it has long since dried up; the mill itself is
largely still in one piece,

Back in the early 1970's our Diving Club - the Swansea Sub-Aqua Club did
a survey of the "Fish Pond" the level of which had been raise by several
feet over the years. Our divers found the old water wheel which powered
the ancient mill - it was near the outflow of the lake where the boat
station is now. The object of the survey was to find the actual site of
the mill-pond which would have been just downstream of the water wheel
at the Millhouse. This we did but found no monastic goodies which might
have been thrown into the pond for safekeeping before (who was it?)
knocked the monasteries about a bit.

The lake was about 20ft deep with a further 18ft of silt beneath the
apparent bottom of the water. If the silt was disturbed it would rise
like a black fog before your eyes. My weight belt got caught in our
survey cage and became detached from me. In the blackness I knew nothing
of this and didn't know what had happened until, because of my buoyancy,
saw daylight as I surfaced. No chance of watching my expired air
bubbles!.
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We're all in agreement there. Cadw insist on their own choice of
builders and suchlike for restorations, and they insist on inspecting it
every step of the way. My brother in law would be perfectly capable of
doing all the work on his own or with a couple of specially selected
helpers; however that's not good enough for Cadw, who want the 'best'.
Since their idea of 'best' is invariably the most expensive option...
well you can guess the rest. Oddly, no crime is committed if the place
is left to rot, but if you start the restoration process it has to be
done to Cadw's specification or they start throwing books.

In the Swansea Valley at Abercrave there is a historical hexagonal
cowshed - one of only two in the UK and CADW aren't a bit interested and
the farmer is nicking bit of roof timbers for fence posts etc.

Tat is a tragedy as far as conservation is concerned.
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Bill Grey
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> Quite nice - if you're a monk !....:-)!
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Is carp monkfish then?

It was not unknown for Monasteries to be self- sufficient and for this
purpose they had their own fish ponds/lakes from which they would
extract carp for food!

and the carp extracted their food from....

AJH

ASDA

A (D)aft (S)tupid (A)nswer. :-)
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One of the hills we didn't actually visit on the Tibbie Shiels
Expedition had a farm at its base with a PROW (a rarity in Scotland with
its history of more relaxed access to the hills) whose owner had
actually been imprisoned for violence on those brave enough to attempt
to exercise their rights.

He is now deceased.

Richard Webb

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One of the hills we didn't actually visit on the Tibbie Shiels
Expedition had a farm at its base with a PROW (a rarity in Scotland with
its history of more relaxed access to the hills) whose owner had
actually been imprisoned for violence on those brave enough to attempt
to exercise their rights.

He is now deceased.

I wonder if St. Peter greeted him with "No mate, there's no right of way
through here..."