Nice one, Monash ...

is it actually signed as a bikelane or one of them
"look out the edge of the road is here" stripes?

less than 1m aint uncommon, altho that's not to say they are any good 🙁

flyingdutch said:

is it actually signed as a bikelane or one of them
"look out the edge of the road is here" stripes?

It has a nice pretty white image of a bicycle slap bang in the middle,
so "signed as a bikelane" is the way I'd see it.

I'll duck out and measure it over lunch, I think.

Quoted message said:

less than 1m aint uncommon, altho that's not to say they are any good
🙁

Yeah, I know. More than a little annoying, though.

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Stuart Lamble said:

.... not.

I was travelling from my main office to the alternate data centre, when
I noticed that Monash Uni, in their infinite wisdom, have painted a bike
lane on the main ring road, just south of CSIRO.

Just one problem. It's too narrow (at a quick glance, I'd say it's less
than a metre wide. Haven't measured it.)

Great. So now I'll cop abuse from car drivers because I'm not in the
bike lane. Never mind that doing so will see me right on the gutter ...
grr ...

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iirc, the ring road is only 40km/h limit anyway, with lots of big speed bumps. Why would anyone bother marking a lane around there anyway?

Ritch

ritcho said:

Stuart Lamble said:

Great. So now I'll cop abuse from car drivers because I'm not in the
bike lane. Never mind that doing so will see me right on the gutter
...
grr ...

iirc, the ring road is only 40km/h limit anyway, with lots of big speed
bumps. Why would anyone bother marking a lane around there anyway?

You do remember correctly, and that is something that I did wonder
myself. However, it still doesn't alter the fact that it was a rather
boneheaded move (if anything, it adds to the boneheadedness of it all
....)

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Stuart Lamble said:

Quoted message said:

is it actually signed as a bikelane or one of them "look out the
edge of the road is here" stripes?

It has a nice pretty white image of a bicycle slap bang in the
middle, so "signed as a bikelane" is the way I'd see it.

to clarify the (other poster's) previous query: paint means nothing
legally. are there start and end bike lane signs?

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Stuart Lamble said:

Great. So now I'll cop abuse from car drivers because I'm not in the
bike lane. Never mind that doing so will see me right on the gutter ...

How long does the paint from $2 spray cans last on a road surface?

David J Richardson said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stuart Lamble said:

Quoted message said:

is it actually signed as a bikelane or one of them "look out the
edge of the road is here" stripes?

It has a nice pretty white image of a bicycle slap bang in the
middle, so "signed as a bikelane" is the way I'd see it.

to clarify the (other poster's) previous query: paint means nothing
legally. are there start and end bike lane signs?

Fair point. No, not as far as I know (certainly no end sign, haven't
gone looking for the "start" of the lane yet.)

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Stuart Lamble said:

Fair point. No, not as far as I know (certainly no end sign, haven't
gone looking for the "start" of the lane yet.)

If it aint, it aint 'standards'. ie hasnt been done by vicroads/council

Might be worth passing on your concerns (nicely, not seditiously) wth reference to:

tinyurl.comc4m4oOpen ↗

for any future good deeds they may attempt 😄

any step in the right direction is at least a step. sometimes they might stumble. It's as much our responsibility (to ourselves and others) to 'help' these people. 'non-cyclists' will invariably make, what we consider, bad errors of judgement/whatever. Bit like us erroniously not using petrol
🙄

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> "fd" == flyingdutch <[email hidden]> writes:

fd> any step in the right direction is at least a step.

I guess that depends on your point of view.

On-road cycling lanes separate same direction traffic, the type of
accident they `protect' against is the amongst the rarest; collision
from the rear with a same direction vehicle. It's nothing more than
safety theater; it panders to perceived risks rather than real ones.

There are places an on-road cycle lane makes sense, the 100km/h section
of Westall Road Extension springs to mind. A road with a limit of
40km/h speed limit would not be one of them. Indeed it can have a
detrimental effect on cyclist safety as it encourages unsafe cycling
practices; the cycling lanes on Ingle Street are a prime example.

On-road bike lanes may `get more people cycling more often' but I
question their value in terms of normalising cycling. After all if
cycling was a normal and safe activity cyclists wouldn't need special
areas of the road marked out for them, would they?

Education, education, education. That's what the general public needs,
not more paint on the road.
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Euan said:

>>>>> "fd" == flyingdutch <[email hidden]> writes:

fd> any step in the right direction is at least a step.

I guess that depends on your point of view.

On-road cycling lanes separate same direction traffic, the type of
accident they `protect' against is the amongst the rarest; collision
from the rear with a same direction vehicle. It's nothing more than
safety theater; it panders to perceived risks rather than real ones.

There are places an on-road cycle lane makes sense, the 100km/h section
of Westall Road Extension springs to mind. A road with a limit of
40km/h speed limit would not be one of them. Indeed it can have a
detrimental effect on cyclist safety as it encourages unsafe cycling
practices; the cycling lanes on Ingle Street are a prime example.

On-road bike lanes may `get more people cycling more often' but I
question their value in terms of normalising cycling. After all if
cycling was a normal and safe activity cyclists wouldn't need special
areas of the road marked out for them, would they?

Education, education, education. That's what the general public needs,
not more paint on the road.
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Yeah, agree totally, but to get to 'normalisation' there's gonna be a transition period. More people get tempted if they see lanes 'for them', less cars, blah, blah and the laws/perception etc etc all tick along and public perception eventually recognises this normalisation.

F"rarely-normal"Dutch

Euan said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>"fd" == flyingdutch <[email hidden]> writes:

fd> any step in the right direction is at least a step.

I guess that depends on your point of view.

On-road cycling lanes separate same direction traffic, the type of
accident they `protect' against is the amongst the rarest; collision
from the rear with a same direction vehicle. It's nothing more than
safety theater; it panders to perceived risks rather than real ones.

There are places an on-road cycle lane makes sense, the 100km/h section
of Westall Road Extension springs to mind. A road with a limit of
40km/h speed limit would not be one of them. Indeed it can have a
detrimental effect on cyclist safety as it encourages unsafe cycling
practices; the cycling lanes on Ingle Street are a prime example.

You forget the primary purpose of bike lanes on some roads. For example
Toronga rd Southbound from Malvern. Its to have somewhere to keep all
the potholes so they cannot escape and damage the Glen Iris 4 WDÅ›

Without these lanes inevetably some 4WD vehicles would come a cropper as
potholes escape into the road proper and damage the delicate little
things.

No it is only right that us tough and hardy roadys on our heavily
armoured vehicles sacrifice ourselfs for the greater good

Dave

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:04:48 GMT, Euan said (and I quote):

Quoted message said:

On-road cycling lanes separate same direction traffic,...

I agree with all you say. Another aspect is that providing on-road bike
lanes is politically popular, even with motorists. They see bike lanes
as a way to get cyclists off "their" roads. And novice cyclists like
them because they promise to protect against their main fear - getting
hit from behind - despite this being a relatively uncommon accident
type.
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Baka Dasai said:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:04:48 GMT, Euan said (and I quote):

Quoted message said:

On-road cycling lanes separate same direction traffic,...

I agree with all you say. Another aspect is that providing on-road bike
lanes is politically popular, even with motorists. They see bike lanes
as a way to get cyclists off "their" roads. And novice cyclists like
them because they promise to protect against their main fear - getting
hit from behind - despite this being a relatively uncommon accident
type.
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The one really good thing about on road bike lanes is that generally you can get past the traffic jams in peak hour as "most" vehicles do stay out of them.
Contrast that with trying to ride up St Kilda St on a weekday morning, absolutely no chance of passing the jam to the left, you are forced to thread between the lanes of parked cars.

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was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:04:48 GMT, Euan said (and I quote):

Quoted message said:

On-road cycling lanes separate same direction traffic,...

I agree with all you say. Another aspect is that providing on-road bike
lanes is politically popular, even with motorists. They see bike lanes
as a way to get cyclists off "their" roads. And novice cyclists like
them because they promise to protect against their main fear - getting
hit from behind - despite this being a relatively uncommon accident
type.

And leading to other problems caused by a cyclist not taking the bike
lane, because the bike lane veers off to a sideroad when you want to
go straight ahead. I'm looking at /YOU/, east-bound Kew Junction,
along Studley Park Rd. [censored].

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