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  1. Bit new to all this (cycling), so bear with my neophyte ways!

    I spent many enjoyable evenings doing the 20 mile evening commute back
    home through country lanes during the summer and autumn, but as the
    weather got colder, wimped out and started using the train every night,
    as I didn't have any clothing that stopped me from getting too cold.

    As the only cycle specific clothing I have was bought for doing summer
    touring around East Anglia (some shorts and jerseys), really not sure
    what I need to stay comfortable in the kind of cold weather we're
    having now.

    The local cycle shops gave me their cycle accessory catalogues
    (complete with pages of garish and expensive looking clothing), but I'd
    rather solicit advice based on practical experience before I make any
    costly mistakes.

    Does anyone have any tips for suitable winter nighttime clothing?

    -Douglas

  2. "Doug Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Bit new to all this (cycling), so bear with my neophyte ways!

    I spent many enjoyable evenings doing the 20 mile evening commute back
    home through country lanes during the summer and autumn, but as the
    weather got colder, wimped out and started using the train every night,
    as I didn't have any clothing that stopped me from getting too cold.

    As the only cycle specific clothing I have was bought for doing summer
    touring around East Anglia (some shorts and jerseys), really not sure
    what I need to stay comfortable in the kind of cold weather we're
    having now.

    The local cycle shops gave me their cycle accessory catalogues
    (complete with pages of garish and expensive looking clothing), but I'd
    rather solicit advice based on practical experience before I make any
    costly mistakes.

    Does anyone have any tips for suitable winter nighttime clothing?

    -Douglas

    OOOH! You'll get loads of suggestions.

    Have a look around

    www.wiggle.co.uk

    for ideas on cycling specific winter wear.

    This is what family & I tend to wear.

    Base layer (specific) OR summer jersey with addition of arm warmers to act
    as a long-sleeved base layer
    Long sleeved cycling jersey
    Waterproof/windproof jacket as necessary
    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.
    under helmet headband that covers ears thus keeping them warm (or skull cap)
    Gloves (waterproof & thermal)
    Cycling shorts under longs such as RonHill Bikesters
    If really cold I'll have a pair of longjohns under Bikesters
    Warm socks
    Cycling boots
    Waterproof bottoms if needed

    Periodically shops such as Lidl, Aldi and Tchibo have cycling 'specials'
    weeks, where basic, serviceable kit can be bought without costing a fortune.
    If, however, you wish to spend a fortune, look no further than Assos brand
    🙂

    http://uk.aldi.com/
    http://uk.aldi.com/
    http://www.tchibo.co.uk/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/uk/-/GBP/TdUkBrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=phase_1&Entry=nlpopup

    When you mentioned East Anglia - are you based in that area? If you are,
    there's several posters here who live in East Anglia and may be able to
    offer suggestions on good local bike shops. If you are anywhere near
    Norwich, Specialised Cycles in Connaught Road (off the Dereham Road) is very
    good.

    Cheers, helen s

  3. wafflycat said:


    OOOH! You'll get loads of suggestions.

    Have a look around

    www.wiggle.co.uk

    for ideas on cycling specific winter wear.

    This is what family & I tend to wear.

    Base layer (specific) OR summer jersey with addition of arm warmers to act
    as a long-sleeved base layer
    Long sleeved cycling jersey
    Waterproof/windproof jacket as necessary
    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.
    under helmet headband that covers ears thus keeping them warm (or skull cap)
    Gloves (waterproof & thermal)
    Cycling shorts under longs such as RonHill Bikesters
    If really cold I'll have a pair of longjohns under Bikesters
    Warm socks
    Cycling boots
    Waterproof bottoms if needed

    Periodically shops such as Lidl, Aldi and Tchibo have cycling 'specials'
    weeks, where basic, serviceable kit can be bought without costing a fortune.
    If, however, you wish to spend a fortune, look no further than Assos brand
    🙂

    http://uk.aldi.com/
    http://uk.aldi.com/
    http://www.tchibo.co.uk/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/uk/-/GBP/TdUkBrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=phase_1&Entry=nlpopup

    When you mentioned East Anglia - are you based in that area? If you are,
    there's several posters here who live in East Anglia and may be able to
    offer suggestions on good local bike shops. If you are anywhere near
    Norwich, Specialised Cycles in Connaught Road (off the Dereham Road) is very
    good.

    Cheers, helen s

    Ooh, thats really useful to me at the moment, as I am quite new to
    cycling in winter too, this is quite a useful post for me too.

    Thanks!

    Mike

  4. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a bit
    too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black - thinking I would
    need several - esp. if I have a cold !

    And the headbands - where can I get one ?

    thanks....

  5. "MikeJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Ooh, thats really useful to me at the moment, as I am quite new to
    cycling in winter too, this is quite a useful post for me too.

    Thanks!

    Mike

    Most welcome 🙂

    Cheers, helen s

  6. gentlegreen said:

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a bit
    too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black

    Well, there's a black buff here (and several other designs):
    http://www.sailgb.com/p/buff_adult_buff_headwear/

    Bob

  7. "gentlegreen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a bit
    too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black - thinking I
    would need several - esp. if I have a cold !

    My local outdoor shop in Dereham (Birds) was the source of a plain black one
    that Nathan uses. Different make to Buff, but basically the same thing. When
    I've been shopping in Naarch with Nathan, 'kewl' clothes shops that tend to
    have surfboarder/skateboarder clothes seem to also be a source of such
    things.

    I prefer my natty bright blue patterned one. Clashes wonderfully with my
    bright yellow winter jacket 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    And the headbands - where can I get one ?

    thanks....

    I got mine at Specialised Cycles in Naarch. some time ago.. Mine's a De
    Marchi one which is lovely. Not too thick and shaped so it covers the ears
    and has reflective piping round the top & bottom edges.

    Cheers, helen s

  8. gentlegreen said:

    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a bit
    too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black - thinking I would
    need several - esp. if I have a cold !

    http://www.buffwear.com/product/1661 is black

    I have the khaki one. They're great.

    --
    Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
    Who would Jesus torture?

  9. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "gentlegreen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a bit
    too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black - thinking I
    would need several - esp. if I have a cold !

    My local outdoor shop in Dereham (Birds) was the source of a plain black
    one that Nathan uses. Different make to Buff, but basically the same
    thing. When I've been shopping in Naarch with Nathan, 'kewl' clothes shops
    that tend to have surfboarder/skateboarder clothes seem to also be a
    source of such things.

    I prefer my natty bright blue patterned one. Clashes wonderfully with my
    bright yellow winter jacket 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    And the headbands - where can I get one ?

    thanks....

    I got mine at Specialised Cycles in Naarch. some time ago.. Mine's a De
    Marchi one which is lovely. Not too thick and shaped so it covers the ears
    and has reflective piping round the top & bottom edges.

    thanks ..

    I'm confused now - found a whole assortment of different headgear - I can
    see myself stringing it all together with elastic so I don't lose it !

    http://www.gear-zone.co.uk/eshop/Headwear.html

    This weather is really showing up all the gaps in me laggin' ... speakin of
    which I definitely feel the need for legwarmers - I already use chopped-off
    socks as cycle clips ...

    ..

  10. wafflycat wrote:

    <loads of useful info snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    When you mentioned East Anglia - are you based in that area? If you are,
    there's several posters here who live in East Anglia and may be able to
    offer suggestions on good local bike shops. If you are anywhere near
    Norwich, Specialised Cycles in Connaught Road (off the Dereham Road) is very
    good.

    So much useful info (and so quickly too) thanks! Yes, I am in Suffolk.
    I only managed to progress to exploring the local countryside this
    year, not yet ventured on anything longer than day touring. I'm sure
    I'll be enquiring about suitable camping equipment one day...

    Are cycling boots really necessary? I've got some bike shoes I wear
    when doing long (for me) rides when the weather is warmer. For
    commuting though, I've tended to just wear my regular footwear. Will my
    feet turn to frozen blocks of ice on longer journeys?

    -Douglas
    --

  11. Doug Hall said:

    ... but I'd
    rather solicit advice based on practical experience before I make any
    costly mistakes.

    Does anyone have any tips for suitable winter nighttime clothing?

    I did this last year, for fun:
    <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/cycling/dressforwinter.html>

    If I don't pre-empt it, someone will pipe up saying that all that lot
    will be far too hot for cycling. I'll only wear the whole lot on the
    coldest mornings and evenings in the depths of winter.

    Anyway, you will need:
    a base layer (a clean one for every day of the week, I favour Parrot).

    a warm, breathable, windproof, preferably waterproof outer shell
    (ideally with zips to allow you to vent the armpits, my dream garment
    would also have removable sleeves, but I doubt you'll find that). I
    like GoreTex, others prefer pertex.

    Warm leggings. Ronhill Bikesters are great. If you wear tights then I
    recommend buying something without padding. That way you can wear a
    clean pair of cycling shorts underneath every day, so you can get away
    with washing the tights once a week rather than having to own 5 pairs of
    tights.

    Warm cycling boots, or overshoes. Your choice.

    A warm hat.

    Warm gloves. Silk inner gloves give extra warmth and stop your winter
    gloves getting too stinky (winter gloves are a PITA to wash, whereas
    inner gloves can easily go in the weekly cycling load). I get my inner
    gloves here, and expect to replace them annually:
    <URL:http://www.patra.com/>
    (the 5% elastane ones are better than pure silk).

    Other than that, experience will probably teach better than I can advise
    you what you need.

    Expect to spend quite a bit of money, but it's worth it.

    --
    Danny Colyer (my reply address is valid but checked infrequently)
    <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Subscribe to PlusNet <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/referral/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  12. Doug Hall said:

    Bit new to all this (cycling), so bear with my neophyte ways!

    I spent many enjoyable evenings doing the 20 mile evening commute back
    home through country lanes during the summer and autumn, but as the
    weather got colder, wimped out and started using the train every night,
    as I didn't have any clothing that stopped me from getting too cold.

    As the only cycle specific clothing I have was bought for doing summer
    touring around East Anglia (some shorts and jerseys), really not sure
    what I need to stay comfortable in the kind of cold weather we're
    having now.

    The local cycle shops gave me their cycle accessory catalogues
    (complete with pages of garish and expensive looking clothing), but I'd
    rather solicit advice based on practical experience before I make any
    costly mistakes.

    Does anyone have any tips for suitable winter nighttime clothing?

    -Douglas


    I have just returned from a 90km ride today. I wore

    hat with built in ear muffs
    buff
    string vest, longsleeve Helly Hansen, windproof gilet, long sleeve
    windproof jersey
    waist shorts, roubaix bib longs
    ski socks, cycling shoes, 1mm neoprene overshoes
    thick multi layered thermal gloves

    for my 20 minute commute yesterday I wore

    short sleeve Helly Hansen
    cheap thin fleece shirt
    Nevis jacket
    windproof gloves
    waist shorts
    roubaix bib longs
    ski socks
    cycling shoes
    hat with built in ear muffs

    I usually only wear two layers for commuting, no base layer, only this
    week when its been very cold I use three.

  13. Doug Hall said:

    Are cycling boots really necessary? I've got some bike shoes I wear
    when doing long (for me) rides when the weather is warmer. For
    commuting though, I've tended to just wear my regular footwear. Will my
    feet turn to frozen blocks of ice on longer journeys?

    Depends on you I guess. I don't wear the boots just normal bike shoes and
    thick socks. But then I don't go on very long journeys, I guess 10 - 15
    miles at the max. A couple of winters ago I used to commute in a pair
    of trail shoes (12 miles round trip) and didn't feel the cold at all. In
    fact the only concession I made to the weather was wearing a thin fleece and
    a thinsulate hat. Having said that, I wished I had worn gloves.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
    "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

  14. Doug Hall said:

    Are cycling boots really necessary? I've got some bike shoes I wear
    when doing long (for me) rides when the weather is warmer. For
    commuting though, I've tended to just wear my regular footwear. Will my
    feet turn to frozen blocks of ice on longer journeys?

    -Douglas
    --

    No, just get some overshoes, you can easily remove them if you feet get
    too warm,

  15. "Doug Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Bit new to all this (cycling), so bear with my neophyte ways!

    I spent many enjoyable evenings doing the 20 mile evening commute back
    home through country lanes during the summer and autumn, but as the
    weather got colder, wimped out and started using the train every night,
    as I didn't have any clothing that stopped me from getting too cold.

    As the only cycle specific clothing I have was bought for doing summer
    touring around East Anglia (some shorts and jerseys), really not sure
    what I need to stay comfortable in the kind of cold weather we're
    having now.

    The local cycle shops gave me their cycle accessory catalogues
    (complete with pages of garish and expensive looking clothing), but I'd
    rather solicit advice based on practical experience before I make any
    costly mistakes.

    Does anyone have any tips for suitable winter nighttime clothing?

    -Douglas

    Top your layers off with an Altura Nevis in screaming yellow. They can had
    for not much more the £40 on eBay. They are waterproof, have a back pocket
    and pit zips.

    John

  16. "Doug Hall" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    So much useful info (and so quickly too) thanks! Yes, I am in Suffolk.
    I only managed to progress to exploring the local countryside this
    year, not yet ventured on anything longer than day touring. I'm sure
    I'll be enquiring about suitable camping equipment one day...

    Madgetts in Diss is a useful shop.

    Quoted message said:

    Are cycling boots really necessary? I've got some bike shoes I wear
    when doing long (for me) rides when the weather is warmer. For
    commuting though, I've tended to just wear my regular footwear. Will my
    feet turn to frozen blocks of ice on longer journeys?

    'It depends' is the answer. I've also got neoprene overshoes, and will wear
    two layers of socks fi needed. I'm a great fan of layering - easy to take
    stuff off if you are too warm and can put stuff back on if you get cold.

    Cheers, helen s

    Quoted message said:

    -Douglas
    --

  17. 19 Nov gentlegreen said:


    "wafflycat" <w*a*ffycat*@btco*nnect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth &
    nose when needed.

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a bit
    too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black - thinking I would
    need several - esp. if I have a cold !

    There are some relatively sedate ones - paisley type patterns (this
    is what my wife wears). There's one that's dark blue with white
    squiggles that looks mostly abstract when worn, but which resolve
    themselves into a bloke on a bike when you look more closely (this
    is the one I wear).

    Quoted message said:

    And the headbands - where can I get one ?

    Outdoor hiking type shops? Mine has a logo embroidered on (circle
    containing bloke with rucsac stepping from low triangle to a higher
    centrally placed triangle), who is/was (I bought it a long time ago)
    that?

    regards, Ian SMith
    --
    |\ /| no .sig
    |o o|
    |/ \|

  18. in message <[email hidden]>, gentlegreen

    (') said:


    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Buff (excellent bit of versatile kit) round neck to draw up over mouth
    & nose when needed.

    just went off and googled for this - the ones I've found so far are a
    bit too "k3wl" for me ;-) - are they available in plain black -
    thinking I would need several - esp. if I have a cold !

    Buffs are indeed available in plain black and indeed both mine are plain
    black. They are really useful and versatile, and also very compact when
    not in use - fold up as small as a hanky.

    Quoted message said:

    And the headbands - where can I get one ?

    Every buff _is_ a headband (and a hat and a hood and a scarf and a
    knee-warmer and...). Hugely versatile.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Human history becomes more and more a race between
    ;; education and catastrophe.
    H.G. Wells, "The Outline of History"

  19. in message <[email hidden]>, Doug

    Hall (') said:

    Are cycling boots really necessary? I've got some bike shoes I wear
    when doing long (for me) rides when the weather is warmer. For
    commuting though, I've tended to just wear my regular footwear. Will my
    feet turn to frozen blocks of ice on longer journeys?

    There are a number of approaches to warm dry(ish)[1] feet for winter
    cycling. One is to use a neoprene or similar sock (e.g. Sealskinz)
    inside your cycling shoe. Another is to wear a waterproof overboot over
    your cycling shoe[2]. In my opinion a waterproof cycling boot is the
    best solution, and I really love my SIDI winter boots, both the old
    leather ones and the new synthetic ones[3], but it isn't the only way to
    go.

    [1] Remember that unless you wear waterproof over trousers (awkward,
    bulky and boil-in-a-bag) water is going to trickle down your legs inside
    your socks anyway.

    [2] IMHO the worst solution because water will get in through the
    cleat-hole in the bottom.

    [3]
    http://www.sidisport.com/eng/cycling/art_d.asp?ATp_ID=C02&Art_ID=MCMTBZERO

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    ; ... of course nothing said here will be taken notice of by
    ; the W3C. The official place to be ignored is on www-style or
    ; www-html. -- George Lund

  20. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Every buff _is_ a headband (and a hat and a hood and a scarf and a
    knee-warmer and...). Hugely versatile.

    Point of order Mr Chairman, a buff cannot be both a hood and a knee-warmer
    at the same time, unless your recent accident did something truly awful to
    you and I sincerely hope it did not.

    Cheers helen s ;-)

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