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Suspension corrected fork!?!??

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  1. I have an old Trek 930 (1998 or so) with a worn out Rockshock on it.
    The suspension doesn't really hold my weight and is kind of clunky.
    So I decided to buy a rigid fork for it. I shopped around and found
    one on ebay for very little money. A double drive fork that
    probably is not suspension corrected.

    My question is.... What kind of surprises am I going to encounter
    when I change this fork out (handling wise)?

    Keep in mind that I ride mostly on the road or easy off road stuff.

    Thanks for your input

    [email hidden]

  2. Fritz said:


    I have an old Trek 930 (1998 or so) with a worn out Rockshock on it.
    The suspension doesn't really hold my weight and is kind of clunky.
    So I decided to buy a rigid fork for it. I shopped around and found
    one on ebay for very little money. A double drive fork that
    probably is not suspension corrected.

    My question is.... What kind of surprises am I going to encounter
    when I change this fork out (handling wise)?

    Keep in mind that I ride mostly on the road or easy off road stuff.

    With a shorter fork, the front ent of your bike will ride lower, and
    this has a few different effects that are neither intrinsically good
    nor intrinsically bad.

    The head angle will become steeper, and this shortens the bike's
    natural trail. Between the lessened center-finding bias in the
    steering system and the lessened effort required to turn the front end
    at speed, you may find your bike feels more responsive.
    Correspondingly, you might find it feels annoyingly twitchy.

    The change in steering behavior you observe will be related to the
    amount of angular change between your bike on its new fork and your
    bike on its old fork in the statically sagged position. Swapping out a
    soft 60mm travel fork on a bike with a 70.5 degree head angle is very
    different than swapping out a firm 80mm fork on a bike with a 72 degree
    head angle. If you do find the bike twitchy after retrofitting it,
    keeping a relatively heavy tire on the front can help stabilize it.

    Your bike will feel less "stuck" to the ground on rough surfaces at
    higher speeds, because the rigid fork will not allow the tire to follow
    the contour of the ground as closely as before. This will almost
    certainly have more effect on feel than on actual control in most
    circumstances. A front-heavy weight bias tends to make you more aware
    of the bike's steering qualities, as well as exaggerating trail- and
    contact-patch-related effects.

    The bottom bracket will drop, causing the bike to be marginally quicker
    in transitioning through varying lean angles. It will also reduce the
    lean angle (with respect to vertical) at which your inside pedal will
    touch down.

    The seat angle will steepen and the handlebars will drop, placing you
    in a lower riding position and putting more of your weight on the bars
    rather than the saddle. You will probably be more aerodynamically
    efficient in this position, but you might find it less comfortable.

    You'll find that bumps and shocks become more pronounced even at the
    rear, because front suspension plays a role in attenuating rear wheel
    shocks too. So you'll probably ride "on your toes" more than before.

    Unless the head angle of your bike is too steep to cope with these
    changes gracefully, you should find that your overall experience
    becomes more road-bike-like. This might make you want to mount narrow
    slick tires, but you should probably stick to fat tires, even if they
    are slicks. Shorter tires will further lower your bottom bracket and
    that might make the difference between a bike that's easy to live with
    and one that's peculiar. In my subjective experience, the bottom
    bracket height below which a bike becomes annoying (with 170mm cranks)
    is about 10.5".

    Chalo Colina

  3. Chalo said:


    Unless the head angle of your bike is too steep to cope with these
    changes gracefully, you should find that your overall experience
    becomes more road-bike-like. This might make you want to mount narrow
    slick tires, but you should probably stick to fat tires, even if they
    are slicks. Shorter tires will further lower your bottom bracket and
    that might make the difference between a bike that's easy to live with
    and one that's peculiar. In my subjective experience, the bottom
    bracket height below which a bike becomes annoying (with 170mm cranks)
    is about 10.5".

    I had this setup for awhile... close to 10" BB height. I became good at
    *not* pedaling in turns, but still I would forget sometimes... twice
    when making a quick left in traffic from a trackstand. I didn't crash,
    but when the pedal touched down, the wheel (wheels?) came off the
    ground... making for a very exciting moment.

    Now that I have an actual road bike I never have to worry about it...
    which is nice.

  4. Fritz said:

    I have an old Trek 930 (1998 or so) with a worn out Rockshock on it.
    The suspension doesn't really hold my weight and is kind of clunky.
    So I decided to buy a rigid fork for it. I shopped around and found
    one on ebay for very little money. A double drive fork that
    probably is not suspension corrected.

    My question is.... What kind of surprises am I going to encounter
    when I change this fork out (handling wise)?

    Keep in mind that I ride mostly on the road or easy off road stuff.

    Thanks for your input

    [email hidden]

    I did this on a 80mm shock frame MTB. The handling wasn't very different,
    and it didn't impede riding. What it did though is make real MTB riding
    really painful for my palms.
    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  5. Fritz said:

    I have an old Trek 930 (1998 or so) with a worn out Rockshock on it.
    The suspension doesn't really hold my weight and is kind of clunky.
    So I decided to buy a rigid fork for it. I shopped around and found
    one on ebay for very little money. A double drive fork that
    probably is not suspension corrected.

    "double drive"? Sounds like maybe a "Direct Drive" Specialized fork. In
    that case, it probably is suspension corrected, though if it is old, it was
    matched to shorter suspension forks... but your Trek is old too. I would
    guess that it is a good match.

  6. On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:25:24 -0900, "Andrew Lee"

    whatsupandrewathotmaildotcom said:


    Fritz said:

    I have an old Trek 930 (1998 or so) with a worn out Rockshock on it.
    The suspension doesn't really hold my weight and is kind of clunky.
    So I decided to buy a rigid fork for it. I shopped around and found
    one on ebay for very little money. A double drive fork that
    probably is not suspension corrected.

    "double drive"? Sounds like maybe a "Direct Drive" Specialized fork. In
    that case, it probably is suspension corrected, though if it is old, it was
    matched to shorter suspension forks... but your Trek is old too. I would
    guess that it is a good match.


    Thanks for all the good data. And yes I stand corrected on the name
    of the fork. It is has written "Direct Drive double butted cro-mo"
    on the side decals.

    Thanks

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