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  1. Kurt said:
    Anon said:

    For the last couple of weeks I seem to have lost my appetite. After drinking
    my morning coffee, I don't feel like eating breakfast. I do eat because I
    need to eat with my pills. At lunch time, I have no appetite at all and have
    been skipping lunch altogether. At dinner, I eat but I don't have the
    appetite I had in the past.

    The only changes I have made recently is 6 weeks ago I started using Novolog
    before dinner. I also increased my dinner carbs from 30 to between 90 and
    100.

    Today for breakfast I only had coffee, toast and a scrambled egg. I skipped
    lunch because I just didn't feel like eating. I'm beginning to wonder if
    something, other than diabetes, is causing me to loose my appetite.

    Anon
    Type 2

    Loss of appetite could be a symptom of many different things,
    physically and/or emotionally. You should talk to your doctor about
    this, sooner than later. Hope you can find some answers.

    Would concur...

    .... and be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other
    things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those
    following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
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    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  2. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurt said:
    Anon said:

    For the last couple of weeks I seem to have lost my appetite. After
    drinking
    my morning coffee, I don't feel like eating breakfast. I do eat because I
    need to eat with my pills. At lunch time, I have no appetite at all and
    have
    been skipping lunch altogether. At dinner, I eat but I don't have the
    appetite I had in the past.

    The only changes I have made recently is 6 weeks ago I started using
    Novolog
    before dinner. I also increased my dinner carbs from 30 to between 90 and
    100.

    Today for breakfast I only had coffee, toast and a scrambled egg. I
    skipped
    lunch because I just didn't feel like eating. I'm beginning to wonder if
    something, other than diabetes, is causing me to loose my appetite.

    Anon
    Type 2

    Loss of appetite could be a symptom of many different things,
    physically and/or emotionally. You should talk to your doctor about
    this, sooner than later. Hope you can find some answers.

    Would concur...

    Agree with seeing a Dr. One thing I've noted in my own case is that lack of
    eating leads to more lack of eating. And eating leads to more eating. Sort of
    the oppositie of what one might expect at first blush. Could have something to
    do with Glycemic index but I think it is more than that.

    So if you want to break out of the cycle, try eating something you like a
    lot.Perhaps a small amount of no sugar ice cream mixed with a diet soft drink
    to make a float. etc.

    Bill

    Quoted message said:

    ... and be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other
    things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those
    following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  3. Anorexia is a symptom of a B vitamin deficiency. The deficiency leads
    to anorexia and anorexia in turn leads to more deficiency, etc. Whuch
    is why psychiatrists don't have a hope in hell of curing an anorexic
    with either medications or with any other of their silly therapies.

    TC

    Bill said:

    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurt said:

    Anon wrote:
    > For the last couple of weeks I seem to have lost my appetite. After
    > drinking
    > my morning coffee, I don't feel like eating breakfast. I do eat because I
    > need to eat with my pills. At lunch time, I have no appetite at all and
    > have
    > been skipping lunch altogether. At dinner, I eat but I don't have the
    > appetite I had in the past.
    >
    > The only changes I have made recently is 6 weeks ago I started using
    > Novolog
    > before dinner. I also increased my dinner carbs from 30 to between 90 and
    > 100.
    >
    > Today for breakfast I only had coffee, toast and a scrambled egg. I
    > skipped
    > lunch because I just didn't feel like eating. I'm beginning to wonder if
    > something, other than diabetes, is causing me to loose my appetite.
    >
    > Anon
    > Type 2

    Loss of appetite could be a symptom of many different things,
    physically and/or emotionally. You should talk to your doctor about
    this, sooner than later. Hope you can find some answers.

    Would concur...

    Agree with seeing a Dr. One thing I've noted in my own case is that lack of
    eating leads to more lack of eating. And eating leads to more eating. Sort of
    the oppositie of what one might expect at first blush. Could have something to
    do with Glycemic index but I think it is more than that.

    So if you want to break out of the cycle, try eating something you like a
    lot.Perhaps a small amount of no sugar ice cream mixed with a diet soft drink
    to make a float. etc.

    Bill

    Quoted message said:

    ... and be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other
    things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those
    following this thread here during the next on-line chat (12/08/05):

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    In Christ's love always,

    Andrew
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?W13A4250B
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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    Quoted message said:

    Anorexia is a symptom of a B vitamin deficiency. The deficiency leads


    Most interesting, TC. Do you by some chance have any links to more info
    along that line?

    Quoted message said:

    to anorexia and anorexia in turn leads to more deficiency, etc. Whuch
    is why psychiatrists don't have a hope in hell of curing an anorexic
    with either medications or with any other of their silly therapies.


    Tell me about it! It's the same thing they're doing with T2. Just convince
    the fools that they need your "medicine" to live, and then they sit back and
    wait for their retirement accounts to fully fund...<damn it!>

    DustyB

    Quoted message said:


    TC


    ....

  5. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section1/chapter3/3j.jsp

    Thiamine Deficiency And Dependency
    The coenzyme thiamine pyrophosphate, the active form of thiamine
    (vitamin B1), participates in carbohydrate metabolism through
    decarboxylation of -keto acids. Thiamine also acts as coenzyme to the
    apoenzyme transketolase in the pentose monophosphate pathway for
    glucose. Deficiency causes beriberi with peripheral neurologic,
    cerebral, cardiovascular, and GI manifestations.

    Etiology
    Primary thiamine deficiency is caused by inadequate intake of thiamine,
    particularly in people subsisting on highly polished rice. Milling
    removes the husk, which contains most of the thiamine, but boiling
    before husking disperses the vitamin throughout the grain, thus
    preventing its loss.

    Secondary thiamine deficiency is caused by increased requirement, as in
    hyperthyroidism, pregnancy, lactation, and fever; impaired absorption,
    as in prolonged diarrheas; and impaired utilization, as in severe liver
    disease. A combination of decreased intake, impaired absorption and
    utilization, increased requirements, and possibly an apoenzyme defect
    occurs in alcoholism. Frequent, long-term, or highly concentrated
    dextrose infusions, coupled with low thiamine intake, may precipitate
    thiamine deficiency.

    Pathology
    The most advanced neural changes occur in the peripheral nerves,
    particularly of the legs. The distal segments are characteristically
    affected earliest and most severely. Degeneration of the medullary
    sheath can occur in all tracts of the spinal cord, especially in the
    posterior columns and in the anterior and posterior nerve roots.
    Changes also occur in the anterior horn and posterior ganglion cells.
    Lesions of hemorrhagic polioencephalitis occur in the brain when
    deficiency is severe.

    The heart is dilated and enlarged; muscle fibers are swollen,
    fragmented, and vacuolized, with interstitial spaces dilated by fluid.
    Vasodilation occurs and can result in some edema before frank
    high-output heart failure occurs.

    Symptoms and Signs
    Early deficiency produces fatigue, irritation, poor memory, sleep
    disturbances, precordial pain, anorexia, abdominal discomfort, and
    constipation.

    ***

    http://www.neuro.wustl.edu/neuromuscular/nother/vitamin.htm

    ***

    http://huntingtondisease.tripod.com/swallowing/id66.html

    Vitamin B 12 - deficiency is a common cause of macrocytic anemia and
    has been implicated in a spectrum of neuropsychiatric disorders.
    peripheral nerve degeneration,mental dysfunction, anorexia, glossitis,
    low folate utilization, skin sensitivity, immune suppression

    Vitamin C Deficiency - appetite loss, fatigue, bleeding gums, capillary
    rupture, immune suppression

    Zinc - immune suppression, oxidative stress, poor growth, poor wound
    healing, anorexia, abnormal taste and smell,anaemia, skin inflammation,
    low plasma zinc levels.

    ***

    http://www.cyber-north.com/vitamins/vitaminb.html

    Biotin plays a role in metabolic processes that lead to the formation
    of fats and the utilization of carbon dioxide. Biotin deficiency
    results in anorexia, nausea, vomiting, inflammation of the tongue,
    pallor, depression, and dermatitis.

    ***

    TC

    Dusty Bleher said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Anorexia is a symptom of a B vitamin deficiency. The deficiency leads


    Most interesting, TC. Do you by some chance have any links to more info
    along that line?

    Quoted message said:

    to anorexia and anorexia in turn leads to more deficiency, etc. Whuch
    is why psychiatrists don't have a hope in hell of curing an anorexic
    with either medications or with any other of their silly therapies.


    Tell me about it! It's the same thing they're doing with T2. Just convince
    the fools that they need your "medicine" to live, and then they sit back and
    wait for their retirement accounts to fully fund...<damn it!>

    DustyB

    Quoted message said:


    TC


    ...

  6. Outstanding! Thank you! I was using the wrong "magic words" and that darn
    Google just couldn't find squat! I should'a figured out the "Thiamine"
    connection...(:-o)!

    Tnx again.

    DustyB
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section1/chapter3/3j.jsp

    Thiamine Deficiency And Dependency
    The coenzyme thiamine pyrophosphate, the active form of thiamine


    ....

  7. On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:53:04 -0800, "Dusty Bleher"
    <[email hidden]> Huffed and Puffed the following
    into the madness of usenet:

    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Anorexia is a symptom of a B vitamin deficiency. The deficiency leads


    Most interesting, TC. Do you by some chance have any links to more info
    along that line?

    Quoted message said:

    to anorexia and anorexia in turn leads to more deficiency, etc. Whuch
    is why psychiatrists don't have a hope in hell of curing an anorexic
    with either medications or with any other of their silly therapies.


    Tell me about it! It's the same thing they're doing with T2. Just convince
    the fools that they need your "medicine" to live, and then they sit back and
    wait for their retirement accounts to fully fund...<damn it!>

    DustyB

    Quoted message said:


    TC


    ...

    and just which meds would a diabetic be given that they don't really
    need?

    --
    Mâck©®
    Type 1 since 1975
    http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
    http://www.diabetic-talk.org
    http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    ....Theodore Roosevelt

    (o o)
    --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

    "I don't know half of you
    half as well as I should like;
    and I like less than half of you
    half as well as you deserve."

    Jesus never hated anyone.

  8. "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    So if you want to break out of the cycle, try eating something you like a
    lot.Perhaps a small amount of no sugar ice cream mixed with a diet soft
    drink to make a float. etc.

    Yeah, fake ice cream is really going to appeal to an already
    diminished appetite. Not.

    When my appetite is sorta "blah" -- e.g. when I'm sick, or something -- I
    try to eat the things I *like*, that appeal to me "right now", not
    substitutes that I *might* put up with in normal circumstances.
    bj

  9. "bj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    So if you want to break out of the cycle, try eating something you like a
    lot.Perhaps a small amount of no sugar ice cream mixed with a diet soft
    drink to make a float. etc.

    Yeah, fake ice cream is really going to appeal to an already
    diminished appetite. Not.

    When my appetite is sorta "blah" -- e.g. when I'm sick, or something -- I
    try to eat the things I *like*, that appeal to me "right now", not
    substitutes that I *might* put up with in normal circumstances.
    bj

    I'm explaining what works for me. No claim that it would work for you.

    Bill

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