Orphans' Thanksgiving

serene <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in
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Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving? When I lived on the commune, we
did it for our friends who either had no place to go on T-day or (like
me) didn't *want* to hang out at their family's place on holidays.
Now I've started doing it at my own home. Last year was lovely -- I
did a sit-down dinner from scratch for 13 people. LOTS of work, but
my sweetheart did the dishes, and I had a marvelous time.

This year, we're doing it again, but probably a buffet. Here's the
menu so far. I'm making ham and turkey both because last year, even
though I allowed 20 pounds of turkey for 12 people (I don't eat
turkey), we ended up with not a SCRAP of leftovers, and how are you
supposed to make turkey hash the next day without leftover turkey, I
ask you!

The basic theme is "What my mother serves for Thanksgiving," but I've
put an asterisk by my additions this year. If you are gonna be in the
bay area and wanna come, just send me an email.

Relish tray (black olives, sweet gherkins, stuffed celery, chopped
veggies)
A bowl of nuts with the shells on (and a nutcracker or three, natch)
Devilled eggs
* Cheese-and-fruit appetizer (probably brie with walnuts and dried
cranberries)
Turkey and stuffing with giblet gravy
Veg version of stuffing
Ham (with mom's sweet gravy)
Mashed potatoes (regular and non-dairy -- we have a friend with a
milkfat allergy)
Corn
* Baked winter squash
Cranberry sauce (whole berry and jellied)
* Mama Stamberg's cranberry relish
Bread (probably store-bought rolls -- I haven't mastered
bread-baking yet) * My wife's Waldorf salad, which she's consented
to make -- it has
grapes in it and I love it
Some sort of green vegetable
Pies (pumpkin, sweet-potato, and fruit of some kind; when I make
pies
from scratch, I often get carried away -- I hope that this year I
don't end up making 26 pies like I did that one year in my 20s)
Coffee, tea, sparkling cider, *bottled water, *hot mulled cider

serene

Yowser! What a menu. Sounds terrific and the thought behind it is awesome.
Now what's this Mom's gravy for the ham?

Michael

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Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

Yowser! What a menu. Sounds terrific and the thought behind it is awesome.
Now what's this Mom's gravy for the ham?

Hey Michael, the other night I watched the St. Louis - set movie _White
Palace_ with Susan Sarandon and James Spader. Pretty interesting (I
ate at the White Palace Grill featured in the movie when I once visited
St. Louis)...

There is a hilarious Thanksgiving scene when upscale Jewish yuppie
Spader takes his Hoosier waitress girlfriend Sarandon* to Thanksgiving
at "the Horowitzes", wealthy friends of his....Sarandon gets kinda
drunk and tells everybody off.

I liked it too because let's face it, how many flix are set in St.
Louis? It had a real St. Louis "feel"...

Anyway, it was a decent movie, I'll have to think of some others with
Thanksgiving scenes (_Hannah and Her Sisters_?)...

*In the movie Sarandon lives in a downscale nabe called
"Dogtown"...where is that exactly?

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Best
Greg

serene said:

Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving?

We prefer to have our Thanksgiving meal with friends.

"sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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serene said:

Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving?

We prefer to have our Thanksgiving meal with friends.

It'll be just me and the hubby this year and quite frankly? I'm VERY happy
about it! I'd love to be alone with him for just one holiday, please!

kili

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:06:49 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>

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serene said:

Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving?

We prefer to have our Thanksgiving meal with friends.

From the next sentence you decided not to quote:

"When I lived on the commune, we did it for our friends who either had
no place to go on T-day or (like me) didn't *want* to hang out at
their family's place on holidays."

Appears that Serene has the same prefereces as you do.

Why the selective editing in order to make a somewhat snide comment?

t.j. mello said:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:06:49 -0800, sf <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

serene said:

Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving?

We prefer to have our Thanksgiving meal with friends.

From the next sentence you decided not to quote:

"When I lived on the commune, we did it for our friends who either had
no place to go on T-day or (like me) didn't *want* to hang out at
their family's place on holidays."

Appears that Serene has the same prefereces as you do.

Why the selective editing in order to make a somewhat snide comment?

HUH? What planet are you from?

In article <[email hidden]>,
Gregory Morrow <[email hidden]> wrote:
....

Quoted message said:

Louis? It had a real St. Louis "feel"...

Anyway, it was a decent movie, I'll have to think of some others with
Thanksgiving scenes (_Hannah and Her Sisters_?)...

*In the movie Sarandon lives in a downscale nabe called
"Dogtown"...where is that exactly?

Cf. <http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtown/dogtown.html>

In article <[email hidden]>,
Gregory Morrow <[email hidden]> wrote:
....

Quoted message said:

Louis? It had a real St. Louis "feel"...

Anyway, it was a decent movie, I'll have to think of some others with
Thanksgiving scenes (_Hannah and Her Sisters_?)...

*In the movie Sarandon lives in a downscale nabe called
"Dogtown"...where is that exactly?

Cf. <http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtown/dogtown.html>

Gregory Morrow said:

*In the movie Sarandon lives in a downscale nabe called
"Dogtown"...where is that exactly?

Dogtown is adjacent to Forest Park. If I remember correctly, the
boundaries are McCausland, Manchester, Oakland, and Hampton Avenues.
I lived in St. Louis for two years back in the early 80s. When I heard
locals refer to Dogtown, I asked why it was called Dogtown. I was told
(and I don't know if this is true or not) that it was called Dogtown
because Filipinos settled there in the early days and supposedly ate dogs.

One of my favorite neighborhood bars was in Dogtown -- McDermott's, home
of the world's tastiest onion rings. Not sure if they are still around,
though.

K.

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It'll be just me and the hubby this year and quite frankly? I'm VERY
happy
about it! I'd love to be alone with him for just one holiday, please!

I know what you mean. Thanksgiving is a perfect time for that.
Unfortunately, since we have three young children, it'll be a while before
we can have that kind of holiday. I'm not really in a hurry for those days
to come, but when they do, I know it'll be enjoyable.

Chris

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"kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It'll be just me and the hubby this year and quite frankly? I'm VERY
happy
about it! I'd love to be alone with him for just one holiday, please!

I know what you mean. Thanksgiving is a perfect time for that.
Unfortunately, since we have three young children, it'll be a while before
we can have that kind of holiday. I'm not really in a hurry for those
days to come, but when they do, I know it'll be enjoyable.

Whoops, I don't mean that it's unfortunate that we have children. It's just
unfortunate that we don't often get to spend a whole day alone together (let
alone a holiday).

C

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"kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It'll be just me and the hubby this year and quite frankly? I'm VERY
happy
about it! I'd love to be alone with him for just one holiday, please!

I know what you mean. Thanksgiving is a perfect time for that.
Unfortunately, since we have three young children, it'll be a while before
we can have that kind of holiday. I'm not really in a hurry for those

days

Quoted message said:

to come, but when they do, I know it'll be enjoyable.

Chris

We don't have kids, but we always end up traveling to his step-dad's
family's house, 3 hours away, and once we get there, *we're* supposed to
cook! Nope, we're done with it. I don't want to be invited to someone's
house in expectation of us cooking. We emphatically refused this year. Let
someone else learn how to brine, smoke or fry a turkey. We're tired of the,
"Is it done yet? Is it done yet?" It's done when it's done! Let them eat
their roasted, sawdust, overcooked turkey. We're going for a brined bird
(our own brine), smoked with hickory and cherry wood, AND injected with
honey, garlic, and butter. God, it's gonna be a good year! (Oh, and we got
time off for Christmas, too! No relatives! Can you say HAPPY NEW
YEAR???????)

kili

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Quoted message said:

"kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It'll be just me and the hubby this year and quite frankly? I'm VERY
happy
about it! I'd love to be alone with him for just one holiday, please!

I know what you mean. Thanksgiving is a perfect time for that.
Unfortunately, since we have three young children, it'll be a while before
we can have that kind of holiday. I'm not really in a hurry for those

days

Quoted message said:

to come, but when they do, I know it'll be enjoyable.

Chris

We don't have kids, but we always end up traveling to his step-dad's
family's house, 3 hours away, and once we get there, *we're* supposed to
cook! Nope, we're done with it. I don't want to be invited to someone's
house in expectation of us cooking. We emphatically refused this year. Let
someone else learn how to brine, smoke or fry a turkey. We're tired of the,
"Is it done yet? Is it done yet?" It's done when it's done! Let them eat
their roasted, sawdust, overcooked turkey. We're going for a brined bird
(our own brine), smoked with hickory and cherry wood, AND injected with
honey, garlic, and butter. God, it's gonna be a good year! (Oh, and we got
time off for Christmas, too! No relatives! Can you say HAPPY NEW
YEAR???????)

kili

In article <[email hidden]>,

serene said:

Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving? When I lived on the commune, we
did it for our friends who either had no place to go on T-day or (like
me) didn't *want* to hang out at their family's place on holidays. Now
I've started doing it at my own home. Last year was lovely -- I did a
sit-down dinner from scratch for 13 people. LOTS of work, but my
sweetheart did the dishes, and I had a marvelous time.

This year, we're doing it again, but probably a buffet. Here's the menu
so far. I'm making ham and turkey both because last year, even though I
allowed 20 pounds of turkey for 12 people (I don't eat turkey), we ended
up with not a SCRAP of leftovers, and how are you supposed to make
turkey hash the next day without leftover turkey, I ask you!

The basic theme is "What my mother serves for Thanksgiving," but I've
put an asterisk by my additions this year. If you are gonna be in the
bay area and wanna come, just send me an email.

Relish tray (black olives, sweet gherkins, stuffed celery, chopped
veggies)
A bowl of nuts with the shells on (and a nutcracker or three, natch)
Devilled eggs
* Cheese-and-fruit appetizer (probably brie with walnuts and dried
cranberries)
Turkey and stuffing with giblet gravy
Veg version of stuffing
Ham (with mom's sweet gravy)
Mashed potatoes (regular and non-dairy -- we have a friend with a
milkfat allergy)
Corn
* Baked winter squash
Cranberry sauce (whole berry and jellied)
* Mama Stamberg's cranberry relish
Bread (probably store-bought rolls -- I haven't mastered bread-baking yet)
* My wife's Waldorf salad, which she's consented to make -- it has
grapes in it and I love it
Some sort of green vegetable
Pies (pumpkin, sweet-potato, and fruit of some kind; when I make pies
from scratch, I often get carried away -- I hope that this year I don't
end up making 26 pies like I did that one year in my 20s)
Coffee, tea, sparkling cider, *bottled water, *hot mulled cider

serene

Son Chris has been doing something on that order for the 10 of the 12
years he's been in Tucson. First time he tried to do it all and that
wasn't a good idea. Now it's a potluck with "What my mother serves for
Thanksgiving" sides and he does the birdy and, I believe, the potatoes
and gravy - not sure about that. One year he had a 25 pound bird to
deal with - bird prices in Tucson get DIRT cheap at Thanksgiving due to
the competition among so many chains there. I just picked up a birdy
for $.38 per pound (with a $25 purchase). Don't know that I've ever
gotten one that cheap before.
--
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 11-9-05 finishing in four
parts the trip report from our vacation time in San Francisco
for Nephew Pat's wedding last weekend.

In article <[email hidden]>,

serene said:

Anyone else do Orphans' Thanksgiving? When I lived on the commune, we
did it for our friends who either had no place to go on T-day or (like
me) didn't *want* to hang out at their family's place on holidays. Now
I've started doing it at my own home. Last year was lovely -- I did a
sit-down dinner from scratch for 13 people. LOTS of work, but my
sweetheart did the dishes, and I had a marvelous time.

This year, we're doing it again, but probably a buffet. Here's the menu
so far. I'm making ham and turkey both because last year, even though I
allowed 20 pounds of turkey for 12 people (I don't eat turkey), we ended
up with not a SCRAP of leftovers, and how are you supposed to make
turkey hash the next day without leftover turkey, I ask you!

The basic theme is "What my mother serves for Thanksgiving," but I've
put an asterisk by my additions this year. If you are gonna be in the
bay area and wanna come, just send me an email.

Relish tray (black olives, sweet gherkins, stuffed celery, chopped
veggies)
A bowl of nuts with the shells on (and a nutcracker or three, natch)
Devilled eggs
* Cheese-and-fruit appetizer (probably brie with walnuts and dried
cranberries)
Turkey and stuffing with giblet gravy
Veg version of stuffing
Ham (with mom's sweet gravy)
Mashed potatoes (regular and non-dairy -- we have a friend with a
milkfat allergy)
Corn
* Baked winter squash
Cranberry sauce (whole berry and jellied)
* Mama Stamberg's cranberry relish
Bread (probably store-bought rolls -- I haven't mastered bread-baking yet)
* My wife's Waldorf salad, which she's consented to make -- it has
grapes in it and I love it
Some sort of green vegetable
Pies (pumpkin, sweet-potato, and fruit of some kind; when I make pies
from scratch, I often get carried away -- I hope that this year I don't
end up making 26 pies like I did that one year in my 20s)
Coffee, tea, sparkling cider, *bottled water, *hot mulled cider

serene

Son Chris has been doing something on that order for the 10 of the 12
years he's been in Tucson. First time he tried to do it all and that
wasn't a good idea. Now it's a potluck with "What my mother serves for
Thanksgiving" sides and he does the birdy and, I believe, the potatoes
and gravy - not sure about that. One year he had a 25 pound bird to
deal with - bird prices in Tucson get DIRT cheap at Thanksgiving due to
the competition among so many chains there. I just picked up a birdy
for $.38 per pound (with a $25 purchase). Don't know that I've ever
gotten one that cheap before.
--
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 11-9-05 finishing in four
parts the trip report from our vacation time in San Francisco
for Nephew Pat's wedding last weekend.

"Gregory Morrow" <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote
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Quoted message said:

Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

Yowser! What a menu. Sounds terrific and the thought behind it is
awesome. Now what's this Mom's gravy for the ham?

Hey Michael, the other night I watched the St. Louis - set movie
_White Palace_ with Susan Sarandon and James Spader. Pretty
interesting (I ate at the White Palace Grill featured in the movie
when I once visited St. Louis)...

There is a hilarious Thanksgiving scene when upscale Jewish yuppie
Spader takes his Hoosier waitress girlfriend Sarandon* to Thanksgiving
at "the Horowitzes", wealthy friends of his....Sarandon gets kinda
drunk and tells everybody off.

Interesting you should mention this movie. Sarandon leased a house
directly across the street from a friend of mine while filming the movie.
It was on Westminster in the CWE where all of us fun loving [censored] lived
back then. We all used to hang out on Ed's front porch and watch her
husband play ball with the kids on the front lawn. Cocktails flowed
aplenty.

The house in that movie belongs(did belong?) to a well known doctor here,
that was dating my S.O.s sister at the time. I don't know many of the juicy
details but the dating ceased extremely abruptly.

Quoted message said:

I liked it too because let's face it, how many flix are set in St.
Louis? It had a real St. Louis "feel"...

Anyway, it was a decent movie, I'll have to think of some others with
Thanksgiving scenes (_Hannah and Her Sisters_?)...

I have the movie on VHS. It really does have a STL feel about it. Gawd...
the condos where Spader lived (in the movie of course) are now selling for
upwards of $700,000.

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*In the movie Sarandon lives in a downscale nabe called
"Dogtown"...where is that exactly?

Dogtown is no longer the downscale place it once was. Sure it has it's
downscale spots but property prices have skyrocket since the yuppies and
gays have started moving in. My fave Mexican joint is right there on
Clayton and it's calley Chuy Arzolla's.

Dogtown is right off of 40 and Hampton to the west of Hampton. It's
directly across 40 from the St. Louis Zoo.

If you ever get your ass down here, we'll do Chuy's some night.

Michael

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Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 12:47am (EST-3) [email hidden]
(serene)WROTE:
Anyone else do Orphans'
Thanksgiving?------------------------------------RESPONSE: Must have
missed this one as I never heard of Orphan's Thanksgiving till now.
Is this held for the homeless or similar?
Ramada Inn still is home for over 300 victims from hurricane Katrina in
the city where I live @ Ramada's expense not FEMA"S & have thought it
would be nice to invite one/ two families or few singles to thanksgiving
dinner but limited space and the expenses wouldn't permit me to host the
event plus we live in a large family unit townhouse complex not knowing
if any sex offenders were among those residing at Ramada Inn I would be
too worried about the children who live around us being their next
victims.

ms. tonya said:

Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 12:47am (EST-3) [email hidden]
(serene)WROTE:
Anyone else do Orphans'
Thanksgiving?------------------------------------RESPONSE: Must have
missed this one as I never heard of Orphan's Thanksgiving till now.
Is this held for the homeless or similar?

An "orphan's" dinner is one where you invite people who don't have
family in the area to visit for the holidays. People who have a the
choice are not considered orphans. They choose to spend the holiday
with friends.
--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

Yowser! What a menu. Sounds terrific and the thought behind it is awesome.
Now what's this Mom's gravy for the ham?

Mom makes her ham by baking it with pineapple and cloves. When I was
little, she would stick pineapple rings onto the ham with whole cloves.
Now that she's got less energy for the whole thing, she uses crushed
pineapple and ground cloves. After the ham is baked, she thickens the
juices with cornstarch, and that's "ham gravy" in my house.

serene