Note that this high protein, not low carb ...

Seems like the researchers are debating whether protein or fat kills
appetite. I say it's the removal of carbs! 🙂

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J. David Anderson said:

So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.

Check out

http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3

It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
appetite.

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From Luke 6:21

"Blessed are you who hunger now... for you will be satisfied." says
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Roger Zoul said:

Seems like the researchers are debating whether protein or fat kills
appetite. I say it's the removal of carbs! 🙂

Or all of the above?

Susan

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So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.

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There's a lot of nonsense about low carb dying. This is nonsense. It's just
that it's slowly becoming mainstream (at least certain aspects of it).

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Joe the Aroma said:

There's a lot of nonsense about low carb dying. This is nonsense. It's just
that it's slowly becoming mainstream (at least certain aspects of it).

I think the reports have confused the demise of low carb junk foods
rushed to the market, loaded with AS and transfats, with the end of low
carb eating, which relies on store perimeter products, not boxed goods.

Susan

Roger Zoul said:

Seems like the researchers are debating whether protein or fat kills
appetite. I say it's the removal of carbs! 🙂

Time for studies to determine that for real?

It's long been my impression that the same number of calories of fat
cuts appetite the most, of protein in the middle, and of carbs the
least. With carbs there's even the problem that low glycemic carbs
can be filling but the same calories of high glycemic carbs can
increase appetite rather than decrease it.

Doug Freyburger said:

Roger Zoul said:

Seems like the researchers are debating whether protein or fat kills
appetite. I say it's the removal of carbs! 🙂

Time for studies to determine that for real?

It's long been my impression that the same number of calories of fat
cuts appetite the most, of protein in the middle, and of carbs the
least. With carbs there's even the problem that low glycemic carbs
can be filling but the same calories of high glycemic carbs can
increase appetite rather than decrease it.

I'm convinced protein is the appetite-killer. Always seemed that way
for me.

Of course, the problem is that all the high-protein foods I tend to
eat also tend to be high in fat, so it's hard to say exactly what has
been working for me.

260/215/200

Started LC 4/27/05

Quoted message said:

Doug Freyburger said:

It's long been my impression that the same number of calories of fat
cuts appetite the most, of protein in the middle, and of carbs the
least. With carbs there's even the problem that low glycemic carbs
can be filling but the same calories of high glycemic carbs can
increase appetite rather than decrease it.

I'm convinced protein is the appetite-killer. Always seemed that way
for me.

Of course, the problem is that all the high-protein foods I tend to
eat also tend to be high in fat, so it's hard to say exactly what has
been working for me.

Test for yourself:

Pick a day of high-fat/medium-protein for N calories and see how
hungry you feel. Then pick a day of high-protein/medium-fat for
the same N calories and see how hungry you feel. This is why I'm
not all that interested in boneless-skinless chicken breasts as a
food staple, the leaner meat isn't as satiating for me. True for me
but one person doesn't make a statistically valid study.

Which is better for loss and why:

500 calories of high-protein/low-fat very lean turkey breast plus a
big helping of steamed brocolli.

500 calories of trimmed beef plus a big helping of steamed brocolli.

500 calories of beef bits dipped in nut oil plus a big helping of
steamed brocolli.

If "a calorie is a calorie" they would all result in the same loss,
but dietary fat indirectly causes glucagon to be released and
glucagon is the hormone that pulls stored fat out. But is the third
one also better because it results in less hunger? Does for me,
should have a study to see how much of a trend there is.

Andrew B. Chung said:

J. David Anderson said:

So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.

Check out

http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3

It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
appetite.

[censored]. I haven't been hungry in over five years and I've taken off
all the weight I wanted and I've easily maintained it. Hunger free.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From Luke 6:21

"Blessed are you who hunger now... for you will be satisfied." says
Lord Jesus Christ

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You are going to hell.

TC

Bingo TC.

God damn Chung is repetitive. There doesn't seem to be any topic he's
found that he can't insert his asinine "Two-Pound Diet" into.

I've lost 45 pounds in about 6 months. Without going hungry.

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

J. David Anderson said:

So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.

Check out

http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3

It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
appetite.

[censored]. I haven't been hungry in over five years and I've taken off
all the weight I wanted and I've easily maintained it. Hunger free.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From Luke 6:21

"Blessed are you who hunger now... for you will be satisfied." says
Lord Jesus Christ

In the continued interest of keeping this thread on-topic for all NGs
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Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light
that is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since they failed to
appear on 11/3/05 when invited. Still one can continue to hope :-).

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how God has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

You are going to hell.

TC

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

J. David Anderson said:

So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.

Check out

http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3

It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
appetite.

[censored].

Nope. It is the truth.

Hunger and healthy appetite are one and the same.

Quoted message said:

I haven't been hungry in over five years and I've taken off
all the weight I wanted and I've easily maintained it. Hunger free.

The state of being without hunger despite an empty stomach is
pathological and is the medical definition of anorexia.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From Luke 6:21

"Blessed are you who hunger now... for you will be satisfied." says
Lord Jesus Christ

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Jeff, Bob and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light
that is Christ Jesus. However this is unlikely since they failed to
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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how God has reshaped me:

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In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew
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Board-Certified Cardiologist

You are going to hell.

TC

Sorry my signature offends you. Please forgive me for all my
iniquities.

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew

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Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
appetite.

[censored].

Nope. It is the truth.

Quoted message said:

Hunger and healthy appetite are one and the same.

So, it's better to be dizzy and cranky now, becuase you won't be later?
Weirdo.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I haven't been hungry in over five years and I've taken off
all the weight I wanted and I've easily maintained it. Hunger free.

The state of being without hunger despite an empty stomach is
pathological and is the medical definition of anorexia.

Anorexia = without appetite. In medical terms, it is a symptom. Perhaps
it's a symptom of good health and regular eating. Don't be confused
with anorexia nervosa, which is not what he's describing. Also, the
poster never suggested that he had a disease, so perhaps it's not
symptomatic at all.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>From Luke 6:21

"Blessed are you who hunger now... for you will be satisfied." says
Lord Jesus Christ

I think this is a meek shall inherit the earth kind of thing. That
topsy-turvey Jeeves kind of vision JC was big on. I don't think he's
suggesting that being hungry is good, but rather it was a symptom of
poverty, and the poor were gonna be well off in the after. It doesn't
hang that hunger, apart from not being able to afford food in the
capitalistic society that JC was speaking against, was good in and of
itself. Meekness, likewise, would be a quality of the disenfranchised.
If you were meek and rich, you were still screwed in the after. And if
you weren't meek and you were poor, you probably were well off (I'm
thinking of the apostles and Luke and Paul, who were all certainly poor
and mostly not meek).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You are going to hell.

TC

Sorry my signature offends you. Please forgive me for all my
iniquities.

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Check the same sermon. The part about vain repetition. I forget where
it is in Luke. Mathew it's 5:5-15 or thereabouts. If I believed in
Hell, I'd see you there.

Cultist.

-Hollywood

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
> appetite.

[censored].

Nope. It is the truth.

Quoted message said:

Hunger and healthy appetite are one and the same.

So, it's better to be dizzy and cranky now, becuase you won't be later?

No. It is wiser to befriend hunger so you will no longer fear it. The
weakness and irritability typically arises from the fear. Dizziness on
the other hand may indicate low blood pressure which can arise from
becoming overmedicated on blood pressure medications when one starts
eating less.

We can chat about this tomorrow...

**All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following
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and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is
Christ Jesus. However, this is unlikely since they were no-shows last
week).

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
God has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

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Andrew
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Board-Certified Cardiologist

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(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
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Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung said:

[email hidden] wrote:
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
> > appetite.
>
> [censored].

Nope. It is the truth.

Quoted message said:

Hunger and healthy appetite are one and the same.

So, it's better to be dizzy and cranky now, becuase you won't be later?

No. It is wiser to befriend hunger so you will no longer fear it. The
weakness and irritability typically arises from the fear. Dizziness on
the other hand may indicate low blood pressure which can arise from
becoming overmedicated on blood pressure medications when one starts
eating less.

We can chat about this tomorrow...

**All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following
on-line event that will take place tomorrow (11/10) from 6-7 pm EST in
Paradise:

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and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is
Christ Jesus. However, this is unlikely since they were no-shows last
week).

Sorry, Andy, I'd participate but that's during work hours here on the West
Coast.

Are there archives of your previous events? They might make from some
amusing reading, if you'd care to make them available.

GG

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GaryG said:

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Quoted message said:

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> [email hidden] wrote:
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
> > > appetite.
> >
> > [censored].
>
> Nope. It is the truth.

> Hunger and healthy appetite are one and the same.

So, it's better to be dizzy and cranky now, becuase you won't be later?

No. It is wiser to befriend hunger so you will no longer fear it. The
weakness and irritability typically arises from the fear. Dizziness on
the other hand may indicate low blood pressure which can arise from
becoming overmedicated on blood pressure medications when one starts
eating less.

We can chat about this tomorrow...

**All** participants of USENET are cordially invited to the following
on-line event that will take place tomorrow (11/10) from 6-7 pm EST in
Paradise:

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field medical/diabetes/nutrition/diet/cooking questions (including Bob
and Gary if they are able to overcome their fear of the light that is
Christ Jesus. However, this is unlikely since they were no-shows last
week).

Sorry, Andy, I'd participate but that's during work hours here on the West
Coast.

It has gone over to as late as 10 pm EST in the past so Lord willing
you might still be able to participate if you choose.

Quoted message said:

Are there archives of your previous events?

Yes.

Quoted message said:

They might make from some
amusing reading, if you'd care to make them available.

Based on how you react to what is written here in SMC, you are not
likely to be among those who might be amused.

Quoted message said:

GG

Quoted message said:

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
God has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love and service forevermore,

Andrew
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Board-Certified Cardiologist

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(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

J. David Anderson wrote:
|| So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.
||
|| Check out
||
|| http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3
||
||
|| Regards
||
|| David

These morons still don't get it. It's not the protein that reduces hunger,
it's the lower proportions of carbohydrates that are having that effect. No
insulin swings. That's why the thickheaded idiots say they "don't
understand the mechanism by which protein reduces hunger."

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

|| It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
|| appetite.

So you have no heart patients to tend to or medical journals to catch up on?

--
Peter

Marengo said:

J. David Anderson wrote:
|| So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.
||
|| Check out
||
|| http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3
||
||
|| Regards
||
|| David

These morons still don't get it. It's not the protein that reduces hunger,
it's the lower proportions of carbohydrates that are having that effect. No
insulin swings. That's why the thickheaded idiots say they "don't
understand the mechanism by which protein reduces hunger."

Peter,

The moronity of some so-called researchers is beyond belief.

Did you catch the recent health news release where they discovered that
people drinking 4 regular colas a day had much higher blood pressure
than people drinking a lot of coffee and concluded it must be from the
sodium?

--Jenny

http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/ Type 2 Diabetes info
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Low Carb info

Andrew B. Chung said:

J. David Anderson said:

So it really only applies to those who are not doing Atkins properly.

Check out

http://tinyurl.com/dkzj3

It is far wiser to simply befriend hunger, which is your healthy
appetite.

Quoted message said:

From Luke 6:21

"Blessed are you who hunger now... for you will be satisfied." says
Lord Jesus Christ

In the continued interest of keeping this thread on-topic for all NGs
receiving this post...

Keeping it on topic?

Andrew, unless Jesus has something germane to say about diabetes, (and
as far as I am aware he wasn't a diabetic,) or has some advice about low
carb diets, then Jesus and all references to him are completely off topic.

Of course when it comes to his Daddy, that is an entirely different
matter. Daddy has already expressed his opinion of diabetics, after all,
didn't he give them the disease in the first place?

Regards

David

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