Heras suspended

No way. He's such a nice guy. He couldn't have/wouldn't have.

This is massive. I hope the B sample comes back negative...cycling doesn't need this right now.

Jason Spaceman said:

Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive
A sample EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

Oh [censored]... I just so hope they've got it wrong

Jan

Yeah, it was obvious all along. I mean, c'mon, look at his hair.
Plus that position. And he won the Tour of Spain three times for
three different teams -- everyone knows what that means. And some
years he won stages and other years he didn't. That's an obvious
sign.

Yeah, I knew it all along.

JT

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Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A
sample
EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

Looks like Jeff's headline that day on CyclingNews was portentous,
"Remarkable time trial by Heras to clinch Vuelta"

hardly matters if they've got it wrong or not. He'll be skewered in
the court of public (aka RBR) opinion regardless. No need to wait for
the B sample results.

I was just kidding when I suggested Brian was calling for an
investigation of Heras since he had won three Vueltas. Gosh!

B. Lafferty said:

"Jason Spaceman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A
sample
EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

Looks like Jeff's headline that day on CyclingNews was portentous,
"Remarkable time trial by Heras to clinch Vuelta"

was it roberto, or his brother roberto?
e-RICHIE©T®

Looks like Menchov may have won his first Grand Tour, if he doesn't have a
positive lurking around somewhere.

"Gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EmSbf.41$mm5.35@dukeread03...
I was just kidding when I suggested Brian was calling for an investigation
of Heras since he had won three Vueltas. Gosh!

B. Lafferty wrote:

"Jason Spaceman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A
sample
EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

Looks like Jeff's headline that day on CyclingNews was portentous,
"Remarkable time trial by Heras to clinch Vuelta"

Jason Spaceman said:

Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A sample
EPO test ---> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

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My email address ([email hidden]) is fake. Email sent to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.

And once again it became public through leaks before the B sample had
been tested. Once again we've got s preliminary result, a trial in the
court of public opinion, and a damaged reputation and earning capacity.
Not even going into the questions about the test itself, once again we
have a confidentiality problem.
Do I think they'll identify who leaked the info, not bloody likely.
Does the athlete have any recourse, seems not, even if the B comes up
clean there's significant damage caused by these leaks that NOONE seems
to give a [censored] about, least of all Wada. Now we don't even know what
organization the leak came from, but something needs to be done to
protect the athlete's rights.
The athlete's need to be allowed sue both the organization that
employs the person who leaked the info, and the individual for damages
due to these leaks.
Bill C

No - no!!! Please no! If true, I will have lost all faith in pro
cycling once and for all. Or, I'll just do like I always do and
believe that it can't possibly be true. But, that's becoming harder
and harder to do every year.

[censored].
--
Marty

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Quoted message said:

Jason Spaceman said:

Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A
sample
EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

--
My email address ([email hidden]) is fake. Email sent
to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.

And once again it became public through leaks before the B sample had
been tested. Once again we've got s preliminary result, a trial in the
court of public opinion, and a damaged reputation and earning capacity.
Not even going into the questions about the test itself, once again we
have a confidentiality problem.
Do I think they'll identify who leaked the info, not bloody likely.
Does the athlete have any recourse, seems not, even if the B comes up
clean there's significant damage caused by these leaks that NOONE seems
to give a [censored] about, least of all Wada. Now we don't even know what
organization the leak came from, but something needs to be done to
protect the athlete's rights.
The athlete's need to be allowed sue both the organization that
employs the person who leaked the info, and the individual for damages
due to these leaks.
Bill C

IIRC, the testing lab does not know the identity of the rider whose sample
they are testing. The positive is matched by the UCI who then notifies the
rider's national federation and a copy of that may be sent to the rider
and/or his team. The national federation must notify the rider of the
positive finding within two days or receiving notification from the UCI of
the positive.

So, assuming that there was a leak (we have only the team's word for that as
nothing was in fact published until the press release from Roberto's team),
the leak must have come from someone in the UCI, the Spanish cycling
federation, Heras or his team.

Agreed.

I don't know if it's true, but there's an interesting point that's
brought up on www.cyclocosm.com. Supposedly he couldn't have injected
the EPO for more than 4 days prior to the test (or it wouldn't have
shown up) and yet it wouldn't have taken effect for more than two weeks
(which is after Heras' season would be over). Why the hell would he
take a banned substance that would in no way help him?

Is there some sort of 'maintenance schedule' for EPO where his
injection a few days prior to the end of the Vuelta make any sense at
all?

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Agreed.

I don't know if it's true, but there's an interesting point that's
brought up on www.cyclocosm.com. Supposedly he couldn't have injected
the EPO for more than 4 days prior to the test (or it wouldn't have
shown up) and yet it wouldn't have taken effect for more than two weeks
(which is after Heras' season would be over). Why the hell would he
take a banned substance that would in no way help him?

IIRC, microdosing of EPO clears in 24 hours. You start well before the time
you need the effect. Usually, they don't get caught.

``Detecting EPO used to be much easier - there was a five- or six-day window
in which to act,'' said Francaise des Jeux team doctor Gerard Guillaume.
``But I think now because of different methods and micro-dosing the window
of detection is only 24 hours. The cheats now have more chance of not
getting caught than getting caught.''
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/Sports/GG26Dk09.html

Also see 'Heras Vuelta sample positive' at
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/9142.0.html

'Heras suspended after suspected positive test' at
http://tinyurl.com/8j8br

J. Spaceman

1) We expect Lafferty to say "I told you so".
2) Heras was being tested EVERY DAY. Why would he use EPO at that time?
3) We expect Lafferty to say "It doesn't matter, a positive is a positive."
4) We have seen too many of these EPO tests demonstrating negative B
samples. If Heras B sample tests negative (strange that so many test
negative when a rider can have his own legal and scientific staff on had to
observe eh?) then perhaps the test should be sidelined until it can be
demonstrated to be reliable.
5) We expect Lafferty to say, "The test is perfect."
6) The leak of Heras A sample demonstrates a complete disregard for those
being victimized by the press.
7) We expect Lafferty to say, "Tough luck."

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Quoted message said:

Jason Spaceman said:

Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A
sample
EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

J. Spaceman

--
My email address ([email hidden]) is fake. Email sent
to it
will only get caught in my spam tarpit.

And once again it became public through leaks before the B sample had
been tested. Once again we've got s preliminary result, a trial in the
court of public opinion, and a damaged reputation and earning capacity.
Not even going into the questions about the test itself, once again we
have a confidentiality problem.
Do I think they'll identify who leaked the info, not bloody likely.
Does the athlete have any recourse, seems not, even if the B comes up
clean there's significant damage caused by these leaks that NOONE seems
to give a [censored] about, least of all Wada. Now we don't even know what
organization the leak came from, but something needs to be done to
protect the athlete's rights.
The athlete's need to be allowed sue both the organization that
employs the person who leaked the info, and the individual for damages
due to these leaks.
Bill C

Richard Sachs said:

was it roberto, or his brother roberto?
e-RICHIE©T®

His evil twin roberto.

Bob Schwartz

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Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive A

sample

Quoted message said:

EPO test --->

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

Quoted message said:

J. Spaceman

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will only get caught in my spam tarpit.

Yet no one has commented on the connection between heras and lance

Laz

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"Jason Spaceman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Roberto Heras has been suspended by Liberty Seguros after a positive
A sample EPO test --->
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2005/nov05/nov08news

Yet no one has commented on the connection between heras and lance

Or what it would feel like to hear the news after you paid 30,000 euros
for his bicycle.

--
Bill Asher