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  1. Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

    --

    Ritalin Nation
    Telegraph, UK
    Filed: 16/10/2005
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/16/nadhd116.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/16/ixnewstop.html

    <Excerpt>There are no medical tests for ADHD and adults are evaluated
    on a range of factors, including their childhood behavioural history
    and questionnaires asking if they suffer from restlessness, lack of
    organisation and poor time management. Or, as critics of the growing
    ADHD "industry" put it, reasonably normal behaviour.

    Professor Peter Hill, an adolescent psychiatrist and ADHD specialist,
    believes that the explosion in the number of adults seeking medical
    treatment for these "symptoms" is in danger of changing the view of the
    condition. "Most of my patients do not continue their symptoms into
    adulthood, and very few require medication beyond adolescence," he
    says.

    "ADHD is a developmental condition that gets better as you get older
    and I think it is terribly important to stress that. The American
    concept is to see it as something that never goes away, but I do not
    think that is the case and I have seen no evidence to support that
    theory."

    Others in the medical profession go even farther, expressing deep
    scepticism about the very existence of ADHD as a medical condition.
    Some liken the rise of Ritalin to that of Prozac, the wonder drug of
    the 1980s and 1990s that was supposed to bring medicated peace to
    millions of depressed minds. Only later did studies link the drug to
    suicide and violence, charges that Eli Lilly, its manufacturer,
    continues to reject.

    Dr Sami Timimi, an adolescent psychiatrist based in Lincolnshire and a
    campaigner against the use of drugs for behavioural disorders, says the
    medical treatment of anti-social behaviour is "a scandal", with adult
    ADHD fast becoming a "new social health fad".

    "During the 1990s, we saw melancholy and the normal ups and downs of
    everyday life increasingly diagnosed as clinical depression, and taking
    Prozac was considered a trendy and easy way of dealing with emotions
    like unhappiness and anxiety," he says.

    "If Ritalin, which is chemically similar to speed, continues to be
    prescribed for adults who feel they are a bit disorganised, it will
    become a lifestyle drug for perfectly healthy adults who want an extra
    hand with the growing demands of daily life.

    "ADHD does not exist in children and certainly doesn't exist in adults.
    Mood swings, forgetfulness and disorganisation are common behavioural
    patterns in every human being and it is ludicrous that they are now
    being diagnosed as symptoms for a medical condition."

    Dr Timimi believes that an increased awareness and acceptance of adult
    ADHD provides some doctors with the opportunity to raise their profile
    and help them secure funding from drugs companies eager to get a
    foothold in the British market.

    "This so-called condition is new territory for psychiatrists who can
    make a name for themselves through labelling and medicating people's
    problems, instead of investigating the real root causes and considering
    alternative treatment, such as therapy," he says. "Doctors who
    prescribe drugs in these situations give scientific legitimacy for
    pharmacological solutions to life's normal stresses, and research
    grants from drug companies are more likely to go to those doctors than
    to the sceptical clinicians."

    Dr Timimi believes that not enough people are aware of the potential
    health risks and side-effects associated with Ritalin, which include
    insomnia, psychosis and loss of appetite.

    Although little research has been carried out into the drug's long-term
    effects, a recent report in America found that Ritalin may cause
    lasting changes to the brain. In the study, carried out by the Harvard
    Medical School, healthy rats given the drug in their infancy were found
    to have a reduced sense of pleasure and were more prone to signs of
    despair during adulthood.<End>

    --

    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

  2. Psi wrote..., On 10/18/2005 15:09:

    Quoted message said:

    <Excerpt>There are no medical tests for ADHD and adults are evaluated
    on a range of factors, including their childhood behavioural history
    and questionnaires asking if they suffer from restlessness, lack of
    organisation and poor time management. Or, as critics of the growing
    ADHD "industry" put it, reasonably normal behaviour.

    But there are tests. In the South Park episode "Timmy 2000" Timmy and
    all the other kids are diagnoses as having ADD after the doctor spends
    10 hours reading the entire text of "The Great Gatsby" and then asks
    them what kind of car Gatsby was driving in Chapter 14. When the kids
    can't answer he diagnoses them all as having ADD and prescribes Ritalin
    for all of them. The Ritalin has side-effects, though, including seeing
    little pink Christina Aguilera monsters plus making the kids enjoy the
    music of Phil Collins. Fortunately, Chef finds an antidote, a compound
    called Ritilout, gives it to the kids during the Phil Collins concert,
    and brings them back to reality.

  3. Even Christina doesn't use anything stronger than Red Bull, at least if her
    stage requests on The Smoking Gun web site are accurate.

    "Peter Panda" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Psi wrote..., On 10/18/2005 15:09:

    Quoted message said:

    <Excerpt>There are no medical tests for ADHD and adults are evaluated
    on a range of factors, including their childhood behavioural history
    and questionnaires asking if they suffer from restlessness, lack of
    organisation and poor time management. Or, as critics of the growing
    ADHD "industry" put it, reasonably normal behaviour.

    But there are tests. In the South Park episode "Timmy 2000" Timmy and
    all the other kids are diagnoses as having ADD after the doctor spends
    10 hours reading the entire text of "The Great Gatsby" and then asks
    them what kind of car Gatsby was driving in Chapter 14. When the kids
    can't answer he diagnoses them all as having ADD and prescribes Ritalin
    for all of them. The Ritalin has side-effects, though, including seeing
    little pink Christina Aguilera monsters plus making the kids enjoy the
    music of Phil Collins. Fortunately, Chef finds an antidote, a compound
    called Ritilout, gives it to the kids during the Phil Collins concert,
    and brings them back to reality.

  4. Children should all be given Ritalin starting at 3-5 months similar to vaccine
    routines to avoid ADD and ADHD in their later years.

    This basic dosage should be "boosted" before each school session, Kindergarten,
    Grade 7 and Grade 9 entry. If the parents refuse to follow this recognized and
    documented course of medication, admission to educational facilities should be
    refused, as they could communicate their possible hyperactive behaviour to the
    other children and start a plague of hyperactivity.

    Legislation needs to be passed to stop these "unvaccinated" children from making
    any contact with other children in private educational institutions also.

    Religious reasons may be grounds for refusal of these needed medications but
    children of parents choosing this course of action will be shunned by any
    society functions or groups. Legislation to label this as "child abuse" will be
    discussed at our earliest convenience to avoid independent or open thinking by
    these mutinous, society outcasts having no consideration for their children or
    the safety of society as a whole. Charges may be laid after legislation is
    complete in order to save our children from these delinquent parents and a life
    of misery.

    "Psi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

  5. It sounds like you were probably tweaking when you wrote this. I used
    to tweak a bit, and I'd usually get this "intellectual-sounding,
    vindictive" tone you exhibit here.

    Am I correct in any way? Were you at least drinking coffee?

    On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:16:23 -0400, "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Children should all be given Ritalin starting at 3-5 months similar to vaccine
    routines to avoid ADD and ADHD in their later years.

    This basic dosage should be "boosted" before each school session, Kindergarten,
    Grade 7 and Grade 9 entry. If the parents refuse to follow this recognized and
    documented course of medication, admission to educational facilities should be
    refused, as they could communicate their possible hyperactive behaviour to the
    other children and start a plague of hyperactivity.

    Legislation needs to be passed to stop these "unvaccinated" children from making
    any contact with other children in private educational institutions also.

    Religious reasons may be grounds for refusal of these needed medications but
    children of parents choosing this course of action will be shunned by any
    society functions or groups. Legislation to label this as "child abuse" will be
    discussed at our earliest convenience to avoid independent or open thinking by
    these mutinous, society outcasts having no consideration for their children or
    the safety of society as a whole. Charges may be laid after legislation is
    complete in order to save our children from these delinquent parents and a life
    of misery.

    "Psi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters


  6. I don't drink coffee. If my parents would have saturated my system with Ritalin
    early enough I wouldn't have this allergy to coffee now.

    "Ermac77" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It sounds like you were probably tweaking when you wrote this. I used
    to tweak a bit, and I'd usually get this "intellectual-sounding,
    vindictive" tone you exhibit here.

    Am I correct in any way? Were you at least drinking coffee?

    On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:16:23 -0400, "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Children should all be given Ritalin starting at 3-5 months similar to


    vaccine

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    routines to avoid ADD and ADHD in their later years.

    This basic dosage should be "boosted" before each school session,


    Kindergarten,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Grade 7 and Grade 9 entry. If the parents refuse to follow this recognized


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    documented course of medication, admission to educational facilities should


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    refused, as they could communicate their possible hyperactive behaviour to


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other children and start a plague of hyperactivity.

    Legislation needs to be passed to stop these "unvaccinated" children from


    making

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any contact with other children in private educational institutions also.

    Religious reasons may be grounds for refusal of these needed medications but
    children of parents choosing this course of action will be shunned by any
    society functions or groups. Legislation to label this as "child abuse" will


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    discussed at our earliest convenience to avoid independent or open thinking


    by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    these mutinous, society outcasts having no consideration for their children


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the safety of society as a whole. Charges may be laid after legislation is
    complete in order to save our children from these delinquent parents and a


    life

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of misery.

    "Psi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters


  7. Hey, we all know that kids get ADHD because of the lack of the
    essential drug necessary to have a adhd-free existence. They get adhd
    because they don't have ritalin in their systems don't they? Better
    give them the ritalin.

    TC

    Psi said:

    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

    --

    Ritalin Nation
    Telegraph, UK
    Filed: 16/10/2005
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/16/nadhd116.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/10/16/ixnewstop.html

    <Excerpt>There are no medical tests for ADHD and adults are evaluated
    on a range of factors, including their childhood behavioural history
    and questionnaires asking if they suffer from restlessness, lack of
    organisation and poor time management. Or, as critics of the growing
    ADHD "industry" put it, reasonably normal behaviour.

    Professor Peter Hill, an adolescent psychiatrist and ADHD specialist,
    believes that the explosion in the number of adults seeking medical
    treatment for these "symptoms" is in danger of changing the view of the
    condition. "Most of my patients do not continue their symptoms into
    adulthood, and very few require medication beyond adolescence," he
    says.

    "ADHD is a developmental condition that gets better as you get older
    and I think it is terribly important to stress that. The American
    concept is to see it as something that never goes away, but I do not
    think that is the case and I have seen no evidence to support that
    theory."

    Others in the medical profession go even farther, expressing deep
    scepticism about the very existence of ADHD as a medical condition.
    Some liken the rise of Ritalin to that of Prozac, the wonder drug of
    the 1980s and 1990s that was supposed to bring medicated peace to
    millions of depressed minds. Only later did studies link the drug to
    suicide and violence, charges that Eli Lilly, its manufacturer,
    continues to reject.

    Dr Sami Timimi, an adolescent psychiatrist based in Lincolnshire and a
    campaigner against the use of drugs for behavioural disorders, says the
    medical treatment of anti-social behaviour is "a scandal", with adult
    ADHD fast becoming a "new social health fad".

    "During the 1990s, we saw melancholy and the normal ups and downs of
    everyday life increasingly diagnosed as clinical depression, and taking
    Prozac was considered a trendy and easy way of dealing with emotions
    like unhappiness and anxiety," he says.

    "If Ritalin, which is chemically similar to speed, continues to be
    prescribed for adults who feel they are a bit disorganised, it will
    become a lifestyle drug for perfectly healthy adults who want an extra
    hand with the growing demands of daily life.

    "ADHD does not exist in children and certainly doesn't exist in adults.
    Mood swings, forgetfulness and disorganisation are common behavioural
    patterns in every human being and it is ludicrous that they are now
    being diagnosed as symptoms for a medical condition."

    Dr Timimi believes that an increased awareness and acceptance of adult
    ADHD provides some doctors with the opportunity to raise their profile
    and help them secure funding from drugs companies eager to get a
    foothold in the British market.

    "This so-called condition is new territory for psychiatrists who can
    make a name for themselves through labelling and medicating people's
    problems, instead of investigating the real root causes and considering
    alternative treatment, such as therapy," he says. "Doctors who
    prescribe drugs in these situations give scientific legitimacy for
    pharmacological solutions to life's normal stresses, and research
    grants from drug companies are more likely to go to those doctors than
    to the sceptical clinicians."

    Dr Timimi believes that not enough people are aware of the potential
    health risks and side-effects associated with Ritalin, which include
    insomnia, psychosis and loss of appetite.

    Although little research has been carried out into the drug's long-term
    effects, a recent report in America found that Ritalin may cause
    lasting changes to the brain. In the study, carried out by the Harvard
    Medical School, healthy rats given the drug in their infancy were found
    to have a reduced sense of pleasure and were more prone to signs of
    despair during adulthood.<End>

    --

    Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

  8. We as a nation and the other nations using Ritalin, and anti-depressants
    are headed into an abyss.

    "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1129822893.c0401c9d8ca7417b86888466ccb96b15@teranews...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't drink coffee. If my parents would have saturated my system with


    Ritalin

    Quoted message said:

    early enough I wouldn't have this allergy to coffee now.

    "Ermac77" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It sounds like you were probably tweaking when you wrote this. I used
    to tweak a bit, and I'd usually get this "intellectual-sounding,
    vindictive" tone you exhibit here.

    Am I correct in any way? Were you at least drinking coffee?

    On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:16:23 -0400, "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Children should all be given Ritalin starting at 3-5 months similar to


    vaccine

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    routines to avoid ADD and ADHD in their later years.

    This basic dosage should be "boosted" before each school session,


    Kindergarten,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Grade 7 and Grade 9 entry. If the parents refuse to follow this


    recognized

    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    documented course of medication, admission to educational facilities


    should

    Quoted message said:

    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    refused, as they could communicate their possible hyperactive


    behaviour to

    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other children and start a plague of hyperactivity.

    Legislation needs to be passed to stop these "unvaccinated" children


    from

    Quoted message said:

    making

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any contact with other children in private educational institutions


    also.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Religious reasons may be grounds for refusal of these needed


    medications but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    children of parents choosing this course of action will be shunned by


    any

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    society functions or groups. Legislation to label this as "child abuse"


    will

    Quoted message said:

    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    discussed at our earliest convenience to avoid independent or open


    thinking

    Quoted message said:

    by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    these mutinous, society outcasts having no consideration for their


    children

    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the safety of society as a whole. Charges may be laid after legislation


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    complete in order to save our children from these delinquent parents


    and a

    Quoted message said:

    life

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of misery.

    "Psi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    > http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
    >

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    We as a nation and the other nations using Ritalin, and anti-depressants
    are headed into an abyss.

    Nope, you've got that backwards. Major depression is very like heading
    into an abyss, or even falling head first into an abyss. Anti-depressants
    can prevent that.

  10. That's called 'chipping.'

  11. Dear Pizza Girl,

    You seem to need serious help.
    How can you recommend Ritalin as a vaccine?!?!? I'm trully shocked!
    Mostly because of the way you state it... as if it should be «normal».
    ADD is nothing but another result of our own fear and inability to deal
    with our own children. Of course kids and adolescents have problems,
    hiper active behaviours, can't stay focused for long... etc etc.. that's
    is why they are children and adolescents... that is why growing is
    always painful... even in the best environment.
    We must accompany children, help them... not drug them! That is the
    easiest way out.. keep them numb... make them all equal.. kill
    personality.. if we make photocopies of them it's must easier, right?
    (Gee.. wouldn't that turn this world into a really boring grey landscape?)

    /Ana

    Pizza Girl. said:

    I don't drink coffee. If my parents would have saturated my system with Ritalin
    early enough I wouldn't have this allergy to coffee now.

    "Ermac77" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It sounds like you were probably tweaking when you wrote this. I used
    to tweak a bit, and I'd usually get this "intellectual-sounding,
    vindictive" tone you exhibit here.

    Am I correct in any way? Were you at least drinking coffee?

    On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:16:23 -0400, "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Children should all be given Ritalin starting at 3-5 months similar to

    vaccine

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    routines to avoid ADD and ADHD in their later years.

    This basic dosage should be "boosted" before each school session,

    Kindergarten,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Grade 7 and Grade 9 entry. If the parents refuse to follow this recognized

    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    documented course of medication, admission to educational facilities should

    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    refused, as they could communicate their possible hyperactive behaviour to

    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other children and start a plague of hyperactivity.

    Legislation needs to be passed to stop these "unvaccinated" children from

    making

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any contact with other children in private educational institutions also.

    Religious reasons may be grounds for refusal of these needed medications but
    children of parents choosing this course of action will be shunned by any
    society functions or groups. Legislation to label this as "child abuse" will

    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    discussed at our earliest convenience to avoid independent or open thinking

    by

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    these mutinous, society outcasts having no consideration for their children

    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the safety of society as a whole. Charges may be laid after legislation is
    complete in order to save our children from these delinquent parents and a

    life

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of misery.

    "Psi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Decoding Psychiatric Propaganda
    >http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters
    >

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