953 - Stainless & 1000gm frame

PiledHigher said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/australia05/?id=results/australia051

You crusty old farts never give up, do you? 🙂

Had a close look at the BB joins? Is Baum giving that frame a 3 hour
warranty? 🙂

quote='Bleve'PiledHigher said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/australia05/?id=results/australia051

You crusty old farts never give up, do you? 🙂[/QUOTE]

I don't know how traditional it is...

Light, Durable, Cheap: choose any two - this frame might be 1 and 2, but it ain't cheap! The steel-is-real camp seems to prefer 2 and 3.

Ritch

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bugger that - what about this for a track bike! (I want one!)
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/tech/shows/australia05/?id=australia051/DSCN2960

Bleve said:

Had a close look at the BB joins? Is Baum giving that frame a 3 hour
warranty? 🙂

I think i have found my (next) new frame, altho I'm betting others will do it cheaper than BAUM ($4k wtf?)

Jealousy is a curse, Mr Plastic-fantastic 🙂

quote='Bleve'PiledHigher said:

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You crusty old farts never give up, do you? 🙂[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised you don't have plastic wheels to match your plastic frame....

Bleve said:

Had a close look at the BB joins? Is Baum giving that frame a 3 hour
warranty? 🙂

No, apparently it's a 1-2 warranty. Once you ride it it's too bad ;-)

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ritcho said:

I don't know how traditional it is...

Light, Durable, Cheap: choose any two - this frame might be 1 and 2, but it ain't cheap! The steel-is-real camp seems to prefer 2 and 3.

Ritch

Yes a steel frame will be heavier than a comparable quality frame from other materials, but...........

The campaign to sell light weight relies heavily on the misleading practice of comparing frame weights and converting the difference to a percentage—this frame is 30 percent lighter than that one, and so on. Consider: A 1.27kg carbon fiber frame is 35 percent lighter than a 1.93kg steel frame. That 35 percent sounds like a lot, but you can’t ride a frame. Add 7.7kg of parts to each frame to make them bikes, and now the difference (9.64kg vs 8.98kg) shrinks to 7 percent. But what’s a bike without a rider? Add a say 77kg rider, and now the difference (86.7kg vs 186.1kg) is just three quarters of one percent—and you give up longevity and pay a s++t load of $$ to get it.

CC

PiledHigher said:

cyclingnews.comaustralia05Open ↗

The later pics are of a Ti bike.

I'm not totally convinced about 953, from what I've heard so far, it's pretty hard to work with, unless you buy it in an annealed state, then do your own heat treating, and doesn't do anything that Ti can't. I've also heard conflicting reports about whether it can be fillet brazed or soldered into lugs.

If I see it silver soldered into some nice stainless lugs, then I'll get excited.

Cheers,

Suzy (grumpy old cow who likes steel bikes)

PiledHigher said:

Bleve said:

PiledHigher said:

http://tinyurl.com/8vlfm

You crusty old farts never give up, do you? 🙂

I'm surprised you don't have plastic wheels to match your plastic
frame....

They're inflatable!

cogcontrol said:

Yes a steel frame will be heavier than a comparable quality frame from other materials, but...........

The campaign to sell light weight relies heavily on the misleading practice of comparing frame weights and converting the difference to a percentage—this frame is 30 percent lighter than that one, and so on. Consider: A 1.27kg carbon fiber frame is 35 percent lighter than a 1.93kg steel frame. That 35 percent sounds like a lot, but you can’t ride a frame. Add 7.7kg of parts to each frame to make them bikes, and now the difference (9.64kg vs 8.98kg) shrinks to 7 percent. But what’s a bike without a rider? Add a say 77kg rider, and now the difference (86.7kg vs 186.1kg) is just three quarters of one percent—and you give up longevity and pay a s++t load of $$ to get it.

CC

I tried a few numbers in www.analyticcycling.com, in the 'less weight on hill' link. It seems that less weight on hill (cet. par) gets you up the hill faster in every configuration of less weight, positive slope.

If people miscalculate the actual benefit, then that is not the marketer's fault. It is also not the marketer's fault if the recreational cyclist thinks they have the same needs as a professional racer.

Ritch

flyingdutch said:

Bleve said:

Had a close look at the BB joins? Is Baum giving that frame a 3 hour
warranty? 🙂

I think i have found my (next) new frame, altho I'm betting others will
do it cheaper than BAUM ($4k wtf?)

Jealousy is a curse, Mr Plastic-fantastic 🙂

My plastic is fantastic!

crusty old fart ... show us yer oxides!

Bleve said:

My plastic is fantastic!

crusty old fart ... show us yer oxides!

now this is beautiful

aeek said:

now this is beautiful

Even nicer in tandem form:

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slaw said:

Even nicer in tandem form:

cyclingnews.cominterbike05Open ↗

so long as the termites don't attack it.

For a lightweight tandem frame Paketa are making a magnesium frame that weighs only 2.5kg. A complete, rideable tandem has been put together that only weighed 11.2 kg. This was recently ridden to first place at the HHH in the US in a time of 4hr 10 min. The link is here towards the bottom of the page.

Cheers

Geoff

aeek said:

now this is beautiful

Oh man, that bike is so gorgeous. That's one of the nicest things I've ever seen. I want one!

Cheers,

Suzy

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aeek said:

'now this is beautiful'

(http://www.calfeedesign.com/bamboolarge.shtml)

Oh man, that bike is so gorgeous. That's one of the nicest things
I've ever seen. I want one!

Ooooohhhhh Little Fish Bamboo and CF. I dare ya...:-)

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Humbug