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  1. Came across this study at the University of Bath that is due to start
    soon and finish early next year that may produce some interesting
    insights into three questions that exercise us here on urc:

    Does road positioning help?
    Are bus drivers less careful around cyclists?
    Do helmets lead motorist to take less care?

    Seems he's a keen cyclist and has published quite a bit on the
    psychology between motorists and cyclists that I shall have to read. I
    shall await the outcome of this study with interest.

    http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/ViewGrant.aspx?Mode=Latest&Grant=EP/D059593/1

    Quoted message said:

    Abstract:

    Quoted message said:

    Most of the journeys people make are less than 2 or 3 miles
    long. These would usually be fastest by bicycle, but people drive
    more often than not. People are missing an opportunity for valuable
    exercise, are causing tremendous amounts of unnecessary pollution in
    our towns and cities, and are killing one another in collisions.
    People don't cycle more because they're scared of being hit by a car.
    At least 100 cyclists die from being hit by cars each year in the UK
    and over 2,000 are seriously injured. The research proposed here aims
    to make it less likely that cyclists have such accidents, which will
    encourage more people to cycle. Collisions between cars and bicycles
    tend to happen at road junctions. However, collisions also happen
    when cars overtake and when this happens it is serious, because being
    hit by an overtaking car is one of the worst things that can happen
    to a cyclist. If we understood what determines how close drivers get
    to the cyclists as they overtake, we could do something to make
    collisions less likely, either in the way we construct our roads or,
    more likely, with advice to cyclists about how they should ride.
    There are currently three big ideas about what determines drivers'
    overtaking closeness, and we plan to test them all. The first idea is
    that the distance a driver leaves when overtaking a cyclist is
    related to the distance the cyclist left between themselves and the
    edge of the road. In other words, many cyclists are convinced that if
    they ride away from the edge of the road, drivers will leave more
    space as they overtake, making the cyclist safer. We know that a lot
    of cyclists rely on this idea for their safety, but it has never been
    properly tested and all we have are lots of unscientific reports
    based on people's experiences. The idea urgently needs testing
    properly. We plan to do this by fitting a bicycle with a distance
    sensor feeding into a computer. This will record how far away each
    vehicle is as it passes the bicycle. The computer will also get
    information from a video camera (so we can later see what the
    overtaking vehicles were) and a microphone, so the cyclist can record
    any other useful information about what is happening as people
    overtake. By riding the bicycle along a series of roads we can
    directly test the idea that the distance to the bicycle's left
    affects the space drivers leave as they overtake. We can also see
    whether the really important thing is not the space to the cyclist's
    left but perhaps how wide the road or the lane is. This instrumented
    bicycle also allows us to test the other two ideas we are interested
    in. The first of these is that some vehicles-particularly buses-will
    overtake cyclists in a more risky way than others. We suspect this
    because we recently did a survey of almost 5,000 cyclists and asked
    them about any accidents they had had. We found that accidents
    involving buses stood out from other collisions, as they almost all
    happened as the bus overtook. We are therefore very keen to see
    whether bus overtaking is notably different in this study. The final
    thing we wish to do is to have the rider wear a cycle helmet for half
    the time and no helmet for half the time. A lot of experienced riders
    report that drivers are more careless around a cyclist if the cyclist
    is wearing a helmet. If this is true, it would suggest that wearing a
    helmet might actually have the opposite effect to that intended, and
    put the wearer in greater danger. It will therefore be of great
    interest to see whether drivers tend to overtake closer when the
    cyclist is helmeted than when he has no helmet. The findings from
    this study will be widely distributed to interested parties. The
    results, whatever they prove to be, will be very valuable for guiding
    road safety activity. We will therefore inform local and national
    government and other road safety groups (e.g., BRAKE, RoSPA) and
    groups interested in cyclist safety (CTC, LCC, etc.).
    Starts: 1 November 2005 Ends: 28 February 2006

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  2. This looks to be a sensible approach to some of the basic problems that all
    road users, especially cyclists, encounter. It is a pity that the study
    being conducted isn't able to put a couple of hundred of the computerised
    cycles on the road with a good range of cyclists of different types taking
    part. It would then produce really good statistical results and be a very
    positive input to the Motorist v Cyclist debate.

    While I daily find I encounter rank dangerous drivers on the road who either
    ignore cyclists or positively endanger them I also see an awful lot of
    stupid and totally dangerous "cyclists" -- in fact I would say that there
    are more "cyclists" endangering themselves ( and others) than there are
    dangerous drivers. I don't know how this problem is tackled -- by a less
    tolerant policing might be one answer!

    I look forward to reading the final report!

    --
    Trevor A Panther
    In South Yorkshire,
    England, United Kingdom.
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    Quoted message said:

    Came across this study at the University of Bath that is due to start
    soon and finish early next year that may produce some interesting
    insights into three questions that exercise us here on urc:

    Does road positioning help?
    Are bus drivers less careful around cyclists?
    Do helmets lead motorist to take less care?


    <snip><snip>

  3. Tony Raven said:

    Seems he's a keen cyclist and has published quite a bit on the
    psychology between motorists and cyclists that I shall have to read. I
    shall await the outcome of this study with interest.

    http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/ViewGrant.aspx?Mode=Latest&Grant=EP/D059593/1

    His website states that he plans to ride JOGLE over Easter 2004:
    <URL:http://www.drianwalker.com/cycling.html>

    Looking around the site he seems to have a good sense of humour, as
    well. I particularly like the evil vegetables page:
    <URL:http://www.drianwalker.com/veg.html>

    --
    Danny Colyer (my reply address is valid but checked infrequently)
    <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/danny/>
    Subscribe to PlusNet <URL:http://www.colyer.plus.com/referral/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  4. Danny Colyer said:

    Tony Raven wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Seems he's a keen cyclist and has published quite a bit on
    the psychology between motorists and cyclists that I shall
    have to read. I shall await the outcome of this study with interest.

    Quoted message said:

    Looking around the site he seems to have a good sense of humour,
    as well.

    He used to post here fairly frequently.

    http://groups.google.fr/groups?enc_author=J5tJYxMAAAA7c4SzHfIuikrQSWxtwm3whpCwAXzNFd5eTDaGmvSpDA&scoring=d&hl=fr

    http://tinyurl.com/88ejg

    James Thomson

  5. James Thomson said:
    Danny Colyer said:

    Tony Raven wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Seems he's a keen cyclist and has published quite a bit on
    the psychology between motorists and cyclists that I shall
    have to read. I shall await the outcome of this study with interest.

    Quoted message said:

    Looking around the site he seems to have a good sense of humour,
    as well.

    He used to post here fairly frequently.

    And if he commutes up the hill to the University he's a better cyclist
    than me by far!

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  6. Danny Colyer said:

    Looking around the site he seems to have a good sense of humour, as
    well. I particularly like the evil vegetables page:
    <URL:http://www.drianwalker.com/veg.html>

    Google inserts adverts into this page - including one for a (the?)
    pro-sprout website. It rather dilutes the message.

    Colin McKenzie

  7. On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:53:20 +0100, Danny Colyer
    <[email hidden]> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Looking around the site he seems to have a good sense of humour, as
    well.

    As per: http://www.drianwalker.com/excuses.html

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

  8. Response to Just zis Guy, you know?:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Looking around the site he seems to have a good sense of humour, as
    well.

    As per: http://www.drianwalker.com/excuses.html

    LOL! How could I resist trying
    "Click here if you are Tony O'Leary or Stevie Smith"
    ?

    He's wrong about the vegetables, though, sprouts are lovely when well
    steamed. Or have I been assimilated by the little green [censored]?

    --
    Mark, UK

    "Defoe says that there were a hundred thousand country fellows in his
    time ready to fight to the death against popery, without knowing whether
    popery was a man or a horse."

  9. Mark McNeill said:

    He's wrong about the vegetables, though, sprouts are lovely when well
    steamed. Or have I been assimilated by the little green [censored]?

    When they haven't turned in to high rise slug hotels. Bah! and
    BBaahh!!

    ...d

  10. Quoted message said:

    He's wrong about the vegetables, though, sprouts are lovely when well
    steamed. Or have I been assimilated by the little green [censored]?

    There used to be all sorts of foods I didn't like. Then I moved away from
    home and realised it was my mother's cooking I didn't like :-/

    Father says the process was much the same for him, but in reverse. Keeps
    him skinny I suppose.

  11. Tony Raven said:

    Came across this study at the University of Bath that is due to start
    soon and finish early next year that may produce some interesting
    insights into three questions that exercise us here on urc:

    Does road positioning help?
    Are bus drivers less careful around cyclists?
    Do helmets lead motorist to take less care?

    Seems he's a keen cyclist and has published quite a bit on the
    psychology between motorists and cyclists that I shall have to read. I
    shall await the outcome of this study with interest.

    http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/ViewGrant.aspx?Mode=Latest&Grant=EP/D059593/1


    And they wonder why physics and engineering are going down hill these
    days, its because the trick-cyclist (Psychology) departments are getting
    the research grants!

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