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  1. Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:46:01 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But to be honest, I guess I spend as much time watching this tube as
    they spend watching that other one. :-(

    Ain't that the truth. I tell folks, newsgroups are my screen time. I don't
    know which is more pathetic.

    At least newsgroups have more to say than the typical sitcom or
    reality show. They're more factually accurate than the news
    programming. There aren't any obnoxious advertisements being blasted
    at you every few minutes. There's less violence portrayed and
    glorified. Usenet is the best corner of the internet probably because
    it's the least populated.
    --
    zk

  2. max said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Paul Hobson said:

    OK, this is where I am an unashamed snob. When I got to school, I
    quickly realized that I wasn't going to live up to mine own standards
    with the TV addiction I developed as a child in the suburbs. So I quit
    watching TV. I'll watch movies on DVD from time to time, but that's
    about it. Now, when ever I see a TV and pause for a second, it seems
    like to most ridiculous way to spend time. Wait, so I PAY sit here, do
    nothing, while you reinforce my insecurities, tell me lies about the
    surrounding world AND try to sell me [censored] I don't need? Where the F do
    I sign up?

    When people start to discuss characters on TV as if they were real
    people, I really speak my mind. Depending on the company and how much
    they disagree, I normally try to stop short of calling them "sheep

    <meta>

    Is this necessarily any "better" than belittling the self-impressed 10
    miles at 14.7 mph guy at a party?

    oh no! I don't think it's good at all. I'm definitely not proud of my
    elitist loud mouth. I was just stating the truth as my [censored]
    inner-self manifests it.

    Quoted message said:

    You could be harshing their buzz and not even know it.


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    </meta>

    .max

    --
    Paul M. Hobson
    Georgia Institute of Technology
    ..:change the words to numbers
    if you want to reply to me:.

  3. If it is a guy and you are a lady with a body that can do 100 mile rides in
    5 hours then he's going to be pleased and flattered that you are talking to
    him whatever you say.

    - Pat

  4. The Wogster wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::: The Wogster <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ::::: Claire Petersky wrote:
    :::::: I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head
    :::::: for a while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational
    :::::: cyclists here, how do you react when you encounter someone who
    :::::: is very proud of an accomplishment that for you, would be rather
    :::::: lame?
    ::::::
    :::::: For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to
    :::::: someone, and says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh
    :::::: [insert name] is into cycling too!". The person you meet then
    :::::: informs you that she rode seven whole miles down the multi-use
    :::::: trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last Sunday, and
    :::::: 700 miles that month.
    ::::::
    :::::
    ::::: The easiest thing to do, and worst, in my opinion, is to tear
    ::::: someone down. The best and hardest thing to do, is build them
    ::::: up, which realistically should be our goal but often isn't.
    ::::: First thing to do, is
    ::::: to ask questions, like have they been cycling long, are they
    ::::: planning on doing more riding, or longer riding, what kind of
    ::::: riding they like to
    ::::: do. Someone fairly new to cycling, may be planning on doing more
    ::::: riding, and longer distances, and if they like the same style of
    ::::: riding
    ::::: that you do, then you might have found a developing riding buddy.
    ::::: This
    ::::: is even better if your both available and of the appropriate
    ::::: genders.
    :::
    ::: Appropriate or right?
    :::
    ::
    :: Well these days boy + girl isn't always the case, girl + girl and
    :: boy + boy seem to also be common, so either term seems to be correct.

    True. I guess I was thinking along that lines that "appropriate" would be in
    the eyes of onlookers whereas "right" is in the eyes of those pairing up.

  5. "The Wogster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Zoot Katz wrote:

    Oh man, I HATE that, especially when people carry on as if the TV show
    is the most important thing in life. I used to watch it a lot, but then
    the cable company prices were going up in a direct proportion of the
    decent in program quality, right now a weeks worth is about 5 hours, I
    know people that watch that much per day, and you can easily tell, they
    have a butt wider then a city bus......

    Interesting. The only time I run into folks discussing TV show plots is
    while exercising at the circuit gym, or during warmups for tennis. Neither
    scenerio really is likely to engender wide butts.

  6. "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
    accomplishment?
    Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
    your god(dess)-like cycling status?
    Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
    self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

    I remind myself that life is not a competition. The most charming man I've
    met in my life is an old friend of the family that could ask the right
    questions to make any story interesting. I strive to emulate him. Also, I
    tend to sandbag when talking about my accomplishments. Saves me
    embarrassment on the off chance I have to prove myself.

  7. Claire Petersky said:

    I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
    while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
    you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
    that for you, would be rather lame?

    For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to someone, and
    says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert name] is into cycling
    too!". The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole miles
    down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last
    Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

    Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
    that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
    hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
    hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
    below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

    Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
    accomplishment?
    Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
    your god(dess)-like cycling status?
    Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
    self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

    Or?

    Well, the last option is the only one, don't you think? I'll add that
    you should be congratulatory and encouraging.

    At some level, we're all "lame."

    Matt O.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark Hickey said:
    Claire Petersky said:

    but my husband bragged
    about it to the guy ahead of us in the chowline. The guy smirked at me so
    condescendingly, I wanted to smack him.

    And I do see noobs getting the arrogant, "I'm a vastly superior cyclist"
    treatment from vastly superior cyclists from time to time, and I just want
    to smack those guys, too.

    Claire... violence just isn't the answer. It's much better to invite
    them out for a ride and then drop them like the worthless noobie scum
    they really are. Better if you preface the ride with "take it easy on
    my, I'm only a gurl"...

    ... which really only works if you are faster than them, of course -
    but of course, all us loyal readers at r.b.m. are obviously vastly
    superioER cyclists.

    ;-)

    Maybe this is the right place in this thread to share a recent tale. My
    father and I went out for a semi-purposeful ride together a few weeks
    ago. To make things marginally fairer, he rode his usual commuter bike,
    an old Mikado tourer, and I rode my one-speed Pinarello (you didn't
    misread that), 52x18 or something.

    At one point we had to ride up a short, sharp hill. My father was of
    course spinning a nice low gear, and watched as I pulled some atrocious
    cadence up the hill. 10 rpm? 20? I was probably doing 5-7 km/h. He
    chuckled that I should have used the lower gear on my bike (I also have
    a 40x20 or something on the bicycle, but using it is a
    stop-and-move-the-chain operation).

    I smiled at dad, and accelerated. He knows I can ride pretty well, but I
    think he was still shocked at how fast I went away.

    There is, of course, always somebody faster.

    I think it is useful to draw distinctions in skill and confidence, since
    that defines what roads a person might be able to ride at all. I ride
    roads that most other cyclists wouldn't ride, but then I look at
    couriers and pronounce them crazy (and, for that matter, see riding by
    very casual cyclists that I consider suicidally oblivious).

    With regard to speed and distance, I can enjoy almost any bike ride.
    Sometimes the key for me is to bring a bike that somehow handicaps me
    (as I did on my ride with my father), or just to enjoy the view. It's
    all good.

    I've played the role of slow, humble rider often enough to not feel too
    arrogant.

    Right now, the rider whose riding interests me the most is a friend of
    mine toodling around on a 60s-vintage folder. He uses it to do
    neigbourhood errands and extend transit (he was car-free before he got
    the bike). He tells me of 60-90 minute rides that thrill me, because I
    know this is the first time that he has ridden a bicycle in years, and
    that both he and I can see that he is getting deeply sucked into the joy
    of cycling.

    My experience is that almost all of us started out in a place where a
    7-mile ride was a big deal. Some people never do any more. Some people
    go on to become racers, randonneurs, etc.

    My bike club has a weekly club ride which is reasonably quick (30 km/h
    average for 2-3 hours) but the ride sheet lays out the responsibilities
    of club members: carry extra tubes, food, and water in case someone
    shows up a bit underprepared, and nobody gets dropped.

    The illustration of this principle is given by naming a specific young
    rider, who, when he first showed up at the club ride, was so unready he
    needed all of food, water, and encouragement just to make it through the
    ride. Plus, he couldn't ride in a paceline very well.

    That rider went on to become the fastest young racer in the club, then
    one of the fastest riders in the club, then moved to a local semi-pro
    team.

    From tiny acorns,

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

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    Claire Petersky said:

    "Booker C. Bense"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Does riding 20mph give you the right to be rude?

    Only Fabrizio knows the correct answer to that question.

    I don't pretend to be Fabrizio, but I suspect he would say that:

    a) if you're talking about going up a 10% grade while riding 20mph,
    yes.

    b) if you're faster than the person you're talking to, yes.

    c) if you're Fabrizio, of course, yes.

    _ You've got Fabrizio totally wrong. Being snazzily outfitted
    on a really expensive bike gives you the right to be rude.
    Your ablity to actually pedal the thing is immaterial.

    _ Booker C. Bense

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  10. I congratulate them on their accomplishment and tell them to keep on
    truckin'!

    - -

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    "May you have the winds at your back,
    And a really low gear for the hills!"

    Chris'Z Corner
    http://www.geocities.com/czcorner

  11. Group: rec.bicycles.misc Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 9:25pm (EDT-3) From:
    [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    :-) I've solved that problem by getting
    old! 5 hour centuries just don't apply to
    me.

    5 hour centuries NEVER applied to me. Not now, not at 25, not even at
    18! Well, maybe once, I did the first half of a double century in four,
    but that was mostly downhill with a slight tailwind and a bout of
    themporary insanity... LOL

    - -

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    "May you have the winds at your back,
    And a really low gear for the hills!"

    Chris'Z Corner
    http://www.geocities.com/czcorner

  12. The real question is: "what do you say after they glowingly announce
    their accomplishments and then ask you 'What's the best you've ever
    done?'..." ;-3)

    - -

    Chris Zacho ~ "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

    "May you have the winds at your back,
    And a really low gear for the hills!"

    Chris'Z Corner
    http://www.geocities.com/czcorner

  13. "Dave Vandervies" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:dj1vqi$v81

    Quoted message said:


    I've run into kind of the inverse problem. How do you deal with people
    who think you're really hardcore into biking just because you ride your
    bike everywhere (at least when the weather's decent) and randomly decide
    to do a 30km ride because the weather's great and you could use a break
    from life for an hour or two? "I'm not any more hardcore about my bike
    than you are about your car" didn't really work as well as I'd've liked.


    I plead "Honey-Do" list. This is a bit unfair to my wife, but it's a pretty
    harmless white lie. There's always stuff to do.

  14. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:46:01 GMT,
    <[email hidden]>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    But to be honest, I guess I spend as much time watching this tube as
    they spend watching that other one. :-(

    Ain't that the truth. I tell folks, newsgroups are my screen time. I don't
    know which is more pathetic.

    At least newsgroups have more to say than the typical sitcom or
    reality show. They're more factually accurate than the news
    programming. There aren't any obnoxious advertisements being blasted
    at you every few minutes. There's less violence portrayed and
    glorified. Usenet is the best corner of the internet probably because
    it's the least populated.
    --


    Usenet is recreational time, certainly as much as the four of us post here.
    But it's hard to feel terribly guilty about the occasional hour.

    People here are actually real people. There are real interactions. There's
    real stuff to learn, and information to impart. You get exposed here to the
    viewpoints of others, have to defend your own, and become a bit smarter when
    you realize that points of view you would ordinarily dismiss out of hand
    have some merit. You get your leg pulled by the occasional trolls. It's all
    pretty cheap entertainment.

    It's true that we've probably reached the point of diminishing returns, but
    I've certainly learned a lot here. Probably the most concrete thing is that
    I've got generators on 3 bikes now (thanks, Frank!)

  15. Mike Kruger said:

    ... but
    I've certainly learned a lot here. Probably the most concrete thing is that
    I've got generators on 3 bikes now (thanks, Frank!)

    :-) Hey, no thanks necessary. Enjoy!

    - Frank Krygowski

  16. Ryan Cousineau said:

    My experience is that almost all of us started out in a place where a
    7-mile ride was a big deal. Some people never do any more. Some people
    go on to become racers, randonneurs, etc.

    Since finding the crazyguyonabike blog site I've gone and dug some of
    my old bicycle stories up from where they were hiding on my
    marianinchina list and am working at finding the appropriate photos and
    posting them.

    Shortly after I bought a bike solely because its "thingywhatsis" was a
    Shimano "thingywhatsis" and the slightly cheaper model bikes didn't
    have Shimano "thingywhatses" I excitedly crowed to everyone that I had
    averaged TEN kilometers a day since my return to China.

    Then I went and did an unimaginable THIRTY FIVE kilometer round trip to
    another town.

    That was a shade over two years ago.

    If you'd told me two years ago that I'd be looking at clipless pedals
    and wondering if the geek appeal is sufficient excuse to buy them
    I'd've asked "what are clipless pedals?"

    Currently I'm working on remembering the correct Chinese vocabulary for
    "brakes."

    I've successfully managed "luggage rack," "wheels," "ride," "bicycle,"
    "racing bike," "road bike," "mountain bike," "helmet," "gloves,"
    "bicycle shorts," "cycle team," "cyclocomputer," "Lance Armstrong,"
    "Shimano," "Campognolo," "Bianchi," "Giant," "titanium," and "crash."

    "Titanium" is a bit of a cheat since I also needed that word for
    describing the titanium rod in my leg.

    I unintentionally rode sixty kilometers today. Without even really
    thinking about it. It just happened.

    Rode to school. Rode home for lunch. Went downtown for a massage.
    Rode back to school for Kung Fu lessons. Then rode back downtown to
    the bike shop to sign up for a ride on Sunday. "Hey, we're heading out
    to the beach, want to come with?" Ok. So, I rode out to the beach and
    out past the beach before going back downtown to get some more air in
    the tires and pick up my bookbag. Out to dinner. Then home.

    We were all excited newbies once upon a time.

    -M

  17. Claire Petersky said:

    Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
    accomplishment?
    Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
    your god(dess)-like cycling status?
    Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
    self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

    I would in the hypothetical case (since I'm more likely to be on the other
    end) feel extremely uncomfortable and go for c) right until I could manage
    to run away to a corner/the kitchen and talk to someone else.

    Jasper

  18. The Wogster said:

    Actually most people should do an
    experiment, unplug the television for a week, eat in the dining room,
    instead of in front of the "box". Talk to one another, play some games
    together, read a good book. The computer is allowed, but television
    programs on the computer are cheating. Have a good conversation. To
    keep you from being tempted, move the TV to a back storage room, put a
    plant or some flowers in that big empty space.

    I am sure that at least 10% of people would forget that the TV has been
    sitting in storage, until they trip over it trying to get out the
    Christmas tree or Chanukkah menorah.... Most of those people will just
    push it further into the corner. Some will remember when they get the
    cable bill, and some of those will call the cable company to cancel.

    Hmmm, watch the ball game on Sunday afternoon, or get out the bikes and
    go for a nice fall ride, that's a no brainer....

    What do you do to keep your sanity when you're on the trainer in the
    winter?

    Put the tube in front of the trainer, watch TdF, Giro, and Vuelta DVDs?
    That's my plan. Watch some movies. Maybe read, if I can concentrate
    on technical stuff while I'm cranking away, wishing I was in the mountains.

    --
    Chris BeHanna
    '03 Specialized Allez Elite 27
    '04 Specialized Hardrock Pro Disc

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  19. Chris BeHanna said:

    What do you do to keep your sanity when you're on the trainer in the
    winter?

    Put the tube in front of the trainer, watch TdF, Giro, and Vuelta DVDs?
    That's my plan. Watch some movies. Maybe read, if I can concentrate
    on technical stuff while I'm cranking away, wishing I was in the mountains.

    In the season theoretically referred to as winter I go to the beach and
    I think fondly of those of you who live farther from the equator.

    -M

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