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  1. Want yer help people

    I'm gonna add a new section to www.boroondarabug.org (our new home)
    to tackle all the ill-informed, naive, and just plain dumb anti-cycling rhetoric we get//hear. Entitled 'MythBusters' (original, isnt it? 😄)

    Can y'all rub a few braincells together and suggest some topics.
    Please try and keep OT so I dont have to sift thru the usual 'one day, at band camp...' stories 😄 If you could write answers to em that'd be cool too
    Take a look at urbancyclist.org

    My initial thoughts are:

    Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Cyclists cause congestion

    Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Cyclists should get off the footpath

    Cyclists take up a whole lane

    etc etc

    fanx in advance
    FD

  2. flyingdutch said:

    Want yer help people

    I'm gonna add a new section to www.boroondarabug.org (our new home)
    to tackle all the ill-informed, naive, and just plain dumb anti-cycling rhetoric we get//hear. Entitled 'MythBusters' (original, isnt it? 😄)

    Can y'all rub a few braincells together and suggest some topics.
    Please try and keep OT so I dont have to sift thru the usual 'one day, at band camp...' stories 😄 If you could write answers to em that'd be cool too
    Take a look at urbancyclist.org

    My initial thoughts are:

    Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Cyclists cause congestion

    Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Cyclists should get off the footpath

    Cyclists take up a whole lane

    etc etc

    fanx in advance
    FD

    Might be worth using some BV stuff, they have a section on "dinner party arguments" in their magazine....... of course, you'd have to accredit it now that you're gonna be one of them....

  3. Shabby said:

    Might be worth using some BV stuff, they have a section on "dinner party arguments" in their magazine....... of course, you'd have to accredit it now that you're gonna be one of them....

    stop counting chickens big guy! 😄 (very nervous/scared FD...)

    My angle is more debunking the myths, not 'general' stuff
    altho i shall take a look and see what tiopics they have covered
    (not sure I can be bothered/want-to do an anti-cm rant tho...)

  4. flyingdutch said:
    Shabby said:

    Might be worth using some BV stuff, they have a section on "dinner party
    arguments" in their magazine....... of course, you'd have to accredit it
    now that you're gonna be one of them....

    stop counting chickens big guy! 😄 (very nervous/scared FD...)

    My angle is more debunking the myths, not 'general' stuff
    altho i shall take a look and see what tiopics they have covered
    (not sure I can be bothered/want-to do an anti-cm rant tho...)

    I'll do that one for you 🙂

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "FD" == flyingdutch <[email hidden]> writes:

    FD> Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Motorists pay rego to use the road because society has decided that the
    risks posed by motorists to society warrants registering people who wish
    to use a car. The same mechanism is used to monitor people who wish to
    use firearms, both are capable of death and injury and need to be
    controlled.

    In ten years cyclists have collectively killed two people. On average
    it takes motorists three days to achieve that, I guess that's one area
    where motorists really are more efficient.

    The lions share of the rego fee is in fact the TAC (Traffic Accident
    Commission) contribution. This is necessary because motorists kill
    hundereds, cripple thousands and injure hundereds of thousands every
    year.

    Cyclists do not.

    FD> Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Why are taxpayers money used to pay for roads?

    Roads are useful to society so the government collects taxes and uses
    those taxes to build roads for the common good. Cycling lanes and paths
    cost significantly less than roads and are useful to every able bodied
    person in society; you do not need a licence to use a bike lane or path.

    Everyone uses pavements and guess what? They're paid for by taxes too.

    FD> Cyclists cause congestion

    A road which can service 1000 cars an hour can service 8000 bicycles in
    an hour. Clearly bicycles do not cause congestion.

    FD> Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Bikes lanes are there to increase the flow of traffic for cars, not
    bicycles.

    Without a defined place for bicycles on the road motorists would use the
    whole width of the road. On encountering a cyclist a motorist would
    likely have to deviate from his course causing confusion and danger for
    following motorists.

    Bike lanes can be dangerous places for cyclists. It encourages unsafe
    cycling by putting a cyclist in close proximity to parked cars and the
    lane is rarely maintained to the same standard as the roads.

    FD> Cyclists should get off the footpath

    I couldn't agree more. Cycling on the footpath is far riskier than
    cycling on the road, however it is legal for children under 12 and
    adults accompanying said children.

    FD> Cyclists take up a whole lane

    On occasion yes, and that's to help motorists. Many motorists are
    unaware of the width of their vehicle and lack judgement in how much
    room to give a cyclist. By taking the whole lane when appropriate
    cyclists make life easier for you by not requiring you to make a
    decision which, if the motorist got wrong, could result in lethal
    consequences. Even though motorists kill and maim on a daily basis
    cyclists are aware that this is not intentional and are only too happy
    to help motorists be good citizens on the road.

    FD> etc etc

    Keep em coming :-)
    --
    Cheers | ~~ __@
    Euan | ~~ _-\<,
    Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

  6. flyingdutch said:

    Want yer help people

    I'm gonna add a new section to www.boroondarabug.org (our new home)
    to tackle all the ill-informed, naive, and just plain dumb anti-cycling rhetoric we get//hear. Entitled 'MythBusters' (original, isnt it? 😄)

    Can y'all rub a few braincells together and suggest some topics.
    Please try and keep OT so I dont have to sift thru the usual 'one day, at band camp...' stories 😄 If you could write answers to em that'd be cool too
    Take a look at urbancyclist.org

    My initial thoughts are:

    Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Cyclists cause congestion

    Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Cyclists should get off the footpath

    Cyclists take up a whole lane

    etc etc

    fanx in advance
    FD

    How about calling it CrankBusters instead of MythBusters? 😄

  7. warrwych said:

    How about calling it CrankBusters instead of MythBusters? 😄

    Yeah, I like that! Another tact, not just busting myths about cycling - but how it is a perfectly normal activity with a long noble history in Australia. One thing that keep springing to mind is peoples short memories when it comes to remembering our cycling heritage. Recall the exploits of Percy Armstrong, Danny Clark, Russell Mockridge "Snowy" Munro etc etc etc. Sir Hubert Opperman went on to be a Liberal MHR (shock horror) More here: http://canberrabicyclemuseum.com.au/cyclists_Aust.htm

    Shearers used ride btw sheep stations on their trusty Malvern Stars....ie: write a historical aspect into busting myths about cyclists. We are just carrying on in a long & proud tradition.... 😄

  8. warrwych said:

    How about calling it CrankBusters instead of MythBusters? 😄

    goodwun!!!!

  9. "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> "FD" == flyingdutch
    >>> <[email hidden]> writes:

    FD> Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Motorists pay rego to use the road because society has decided that the
    risks posed by motorists to society warrants registering people who wish
    to use a car. The same mechanism is used to monitor people who wish to
    use firearms, both are capable of death and injury and need to be
    controlled.

    In ten years cyclists have collectively killed two people. On average
    it takes motorists three days to achieve that, I guess that's one area
    where motorists really are more efficient.

    The lions share of the rego fee is in fact the TAC (Traffic Accident
    Commission) contribution. This is necessary because motorists kill
    hundereds, cripple thousands and injure hundereds of thousands every
    year.

    Cyclists do not.

    On the other hand, just because it's sitting in the driveway doesn't mean
    that the car which the average cyclist does in fact own hasn't had its
    registration paid.

    Quoted message said:

    FD> Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Why are taxpayers money used to pay for roads?

    Roads are useful to society so the government collects taxes and uses
    those taxes to build roads for the common good. Cycling lanes and paths
    cost significantly less than roads and are useful to every able bodied
    person in society; you do not need a licence to use a bike lane or path.

    Everyone uses pavements and guess what? They're paid for by taxes too.

    And of course there's the recently rolled out "You mean as a cyclist I'm not
    a taxpayer? Wow...BIG refund this year then!"

    Quoted message said:

    FD> Cyclists cause congestion

    A road which can service 1000 cars an hour can service 8000 bicycles in
    an hour. Clearly bicycles do not cause congestion.

    FD> Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Bikes lanes are there to increase the flow of traffic for cars, not
    bicycles.

    Without a defined place for bicycles on the road motorists would use the
    whole width of the road. On encountering a cyclist a motorist would
    likely have to deviate from his course causing confusion and danger for
    following motorists.

    I wouldn't go there...if the deviation required to safely pass a cyclist
    confuses a motorist to the extent that it becomes a danger, then it's time
    for that motorist to send the driving license back to Kelloggs. It also
    presents the idea that cyclists actually DO hold up traffic and that they
    generally present a danger on the road.

    Quoted message said:

    Bike lanes can be dangerous places for cyclists. It encourages unsafe
    cycling by putting a cyclist in close proximity to parked cars and the
    lane is rarely maintained to the same standard as the roads.

    FD> Cyclists should get off the footpath

    I couldn't agree more. Cycling on the footpath is far riskier than
    cycling on the road, however it is legal for children under 12 and
    adults accompanying said children.

    FD> Cyclists take up a whole lane

    On occasion yes, and that's to help motorists. Many motorists are
    unaware of the width of their vehicle and lack judgement in how much
    room to give a cyclist. By taking the whole lane when appropriate
    cyclists make life easier for you by not requiring you to make a
    decision which, if the motorist got wrong, could result in lethal
    consequences. Even though motorists kill and maim on a daily basis
    cyclists are aware that this is not intentional and are only too happy
    to help motorists be good citizens on the road.

    FD> etc etc

    Keep em coming :-)
    --
    Cheers | ~~ __@
    Euan | ~~ _-\<,
    Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

    We really should set up a wiki for this. Anyone know how?

  10. flyingdutch said:

    goodwun!!!!

    Can it be more like Brainiac with lots of gratuitous nudity...

    Did you see the charge tape, they cut a shaped hole in a steel plate! I want to blow some stuff up.

  11. cfsmtb said:

    Yeah, I like that! Another tact, not just busting myths about cycling - but how it is a perfectly normal activity with a long noble history in Australia. One thing that keep springing to mind is peoples short memories when it comes to remembering our cycling heritage. Recall the exploits of Percy Armstrong, Danny Clark, Russell Mockridge "Snowy" Munro etc etc etc. Sir Hubert Opperman went on to be a Liberal MHR (shock horror) More here: http://canberrabicyclemuseum.com.au/cyclists_Aust.htm

    Shearers used ride btw sheep stations on their trusty Malvern Stars....ie: write a historical aspect into busting myths about cyclists. We are just carrying on in a long & proud tradition.... 😄

    heheehe 'xactly cfsmtb. I was more thinking about the cranks we have to put up with on the road and in the newspapers and on tv..... 😄 😄 but your point is excellent. Cycling IS normal, not abnormal so why keep repeating that particular myth?

  12. Resound said:

    We really should set up a wiki for this. Anyone know how?

    Here's a start:
    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wiki_Science:How_to_start_a_Wiki

  13. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "Resound" == Resound <[email protected]> writes:

    Resound> "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    Resound> news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>> "FD" == flyingdutch
    >>>> <[email hidden]> writes:



    FD> Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Motorists pay rego to use the road because society has decided
    that the risks posed by motorists to society warrants registering
    people who wish to use a car. The same mechanism is used to
    monitor people who wish to use firearms, both are capable of
    death and injury and need to be controlled.

    In ten years cyclists have collectively killed two people. On
    average it takes motorists three days to achieve that, I guess
    that's one area where motorists really are more efficient.

    The lions share of the rego fee is in fact the TAC (Traffic
    Accident Commission) contribution. This is necessary because
    motorists kill hundereds, cripple thousands and injure hundereds
    of thousands every year.

    Cyclists do not.

    Resound> On the other hand, just because it's sitting in the
    Resound> driveway doesn't mean that the car which the average
    Resound> cyclist does in fact own hasn't had its registration paid.

    I prefer to avoid that argument, you don't need rego to use a bicycle
    so whether one owns a car or not is irrelevant.

    FD> Cyclists cause congestion

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A road which can service 1000 cars an hour can service 8000
    bicycles in an hour. Clearly bicycles do not cause congestion.


    FD> Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bikes lanes are there to increase the flow of traffic for cars,
    not bicycles.

    Without a defined place for bicycles on the road motorists would
    use the whole width of the road. On encountering a cyclist a
    motorist would likely have to deviate from his course causing
    confusion and danger for following motorists.

    Resound> I wouldn't go there...if the deviation required to safely
    Resound> pass a cyclist confuses a motorist to the extent that it
    Resound> becomes a danger, then it's time for that motorist to send
    Resound> the driving license back to Kelloggs.

    I would have thought the road toll would be sufficient evidence of that.

    Resound> It also presents the idea that cyclists actually DO hold up
    Resound> traffic and that they generally present a danger on the
    Resound> road.

    No, just that some drivers are incompetent.

    Resound> We really should set up a wiki for this. Anyone know how?

    Yes, but the choice of wiki is largely dependent on what's available on
    the server. There are wikis around which work off of plain text and
    forms but they are generally more limited than something which runs off
    of L/WAMP, Perl etc.

    FD, any idea what's available on the Borondoora web host?
    --
    Cheers | ~~ __@
    Euan | ~~ _-\<,
    Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

  14. warrwych said:

    How about calling it CrankBusters instead of MythBusters? 😄

    How about the 20/20 column........ we all get to write 20 unitelligible words that sound cleverer than they are.

    Shabby, Caroline Springs

  15. flyingdutch said:

    stop counting chickens big guy! 😄 (very nervous/scared FD...)

    The scariest part is over now....... that photo won't win you any votes.

  16. Shabby said:

    The scariest part is over now....... that photo won't win you any votes.

    LOWBLOW! 🙁

    and to think i was gonna nude-it-up! 🙄

  17. flyingdutch said:

    Want yer help people

    I'm gonna add a new section to www.boroondarabug.org (our new home)
    to tackle all the ill-informed, naive, and just plain dumb anti-cycling
    rhetoric we get//hear. Entitled 'MythBusters' (original, isnt it? 😄)

    Can y'all rub a few braincells together and suggest some topics.
    Please try and keep OT so I dont have to sift thru the usual 'one day,
    at band camp...' stories 😄 If you could write answers to em that'd be
    cool too
    Take a look at urbancyclist.org

    My initial thoughts are:

    Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Cyclists cause congestion

    Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Cyclists should get off the footpath

    Cyclists take up a whole lane

    etc etc

    fanx in advance
    FD


    I,ll add one. When coming home from the ATB after slowing for Mr Yappys
    little dog I told him the leash in his hand needed to be on the dog.

    He told me.. get on the road where you belong

    So cyclists should get off the bike paths

  18. Euan said:

    In ten years cyclists have collectively killed two people.

    I prefer In the same period, motor vehicles have killed xyz,abc people.

  19. flyingdutch said:

    Want yer help people

    I'm gonna add a new section to www.boroondarabug.org (our new home)
    to tackle all the ill-informed, naive, and just plain dumb anti-cycling
    rhetoric we get//hear. Entitled 'MythBusters' (original, isnt it? 😄)

    Can y'all rub a few braincells together and suggest some topics.
    Please try and keep OT so I dont have to sift thru the usual 'one day,
    at band camp...' stories 😄 If you could write answers to em that'd be
    cool too
    Take a look at urbancyclist.org

    My initial thoughts are:

    Why dont Cyclists Pay rego if they want to use the road?

    Why are taxpayers' moneys used to pay for cycling lanes/paths?

    Cyclists cause congestion

    Bikelanes take up road space, leaving me with only one lane...

    Cyclists should get off the footpath

    Cyclists take up a whole lane

    etc etc

    fanx in advance
    FD


    Hand me the shovel, the bull***t's getting too thick.

  20. Ray Peace said:

    Hand me the shovel, the bull***t's getting too thick.

    so dont type it 🙄

    Bad day?

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