How do you react?

Eric said:

Claire - sounds like you had an experience where this happened to you.
Were you the former, or latter, person?

Claire rides STP (a double century ride; that would be 200 miles) on
weekends and commutes almost daily. In the example given, she was the
high-miler hearing from the 7-mile newbie. (I don't spend much time on
this here NG and I knew that.)

What I usually get is an immediate question about how many bikes I
have. Usually I diffuse that by describing my current favorite. (OK,
it's the $40 City auction special, Specialized Hard Rock. It's purple.)

And the other day a pedestrian allowed as how I was "brave." (Four-lane
street, 25 mph, bus route, small early century duplexes and single
family on both sides, takes me directly downtown. Maybe he liked my
hurts-the-eye green jacket.)

HTH

--Karen D.

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to someone, and
says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert name] is into cycling
too!". The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole miles
down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last
Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Or?

I am absolutely horrible at & loathe small-talk type schmoozing. So
I would *look* like I'm listening attentively/politely (I hope)
while all the while scheming how to escape the conversation.
I would, if necessary, add modest remarks about myself.

Modest because I'm not an advanced cyclist. I'd likely be the one
saying I rode 7 miles down the MUP 🙂

Scott

Claire Petersky said:

... The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole miles
down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last
Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

A second response, on further thought:

It's good to be trying to extend ourselves, and do more miles in fewer
hours at higher speed. But it's good to remember that that, in itself,
isn't necessarily "better" bicycling.

Perhaps bicycling can sometimes be an art, like painting water colors?
Maybe sometimes the goal shouldn't be "Whoa, I painted that landscape
in four minutes flat! Damn, I'm good!"

Perhaps sometimes the goal should be to really notice the turning
leaves, to converse with the little kid riding to his buddy's house, to
watch the red-tail soaring from the top of the hill you climbed.
Perhaps sometimes it shouldn't be about speed or distance, but quality.

And maybe that friend had a high-quality ride. That could be a good
direction to steer that conversation, no?

- Frank Krygowski

Zoot Katz said:

Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:41:22 GMT,
<[email hidden]>,

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

Congratulate them and then change the subject to bike tech type stuff
until their eyes glaze over and they excuse themselves.
--
zk

That's way harsh Zoot!!! My eyes glaze over if I try to read that
other newsgroup...."rec.Bikes-tech" or whatever that is. Truly Harsh.

But hey, my eyes glaze over when I have to listen to our computer tech
discuss our computers.

At a party, if anyone wants to rid themselves of me, all they have to
do is start talking about megabytes and ram.........I don't walk away,
I run.

But hopefully if I ever try to discuss my simple style of riding with a
very experienced rider, they will encourage my efforts. Hopefully.

Maggie

Peter Cole said:

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

Quoted message said:

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Or?

[snip]

Quoted message said:

If the person is being a bore and droning on & on about themselves, I'll
move on.

I'm in a variant of that camp. I've said for years (and it's amazing
how often it seems to apply in Southern California): beware of anybody
who speaks only of themselves, never asking anything about /you/.

If this person's remarks come in the context of a thoughtful person,
interested in others as well as his/her self, I'd be pretty
congratulatory, perhaps even asking for more specifics about their
ride, their equipment, their riding history, etc. Then I'd likely
soft-sell the "Yeah, I've been cycling for quite a while now. I try
to get out four or five times a week" idea. If they pressed for
details, I'd start getting quantitative.

OTOH, If it's just a narcissistic windbag, I'm reminded of a line from
Cheers: "I just realized, Mr. Malone: you're boring, and I have legs."

<g>
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to someone, and
says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert name] is into cycling
too!". The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole miles
down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last
Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

Tough question! It depends on my mood but as of late I've been a lot
more accommodating and I congratulate them. I remember when I first
started out, riding the distances I ride now seemed like fantasy.
Besides is it a greater accomplishment to have done a century when you
know you can do it or to ride 7 miles when you haven't done it before?
To the person who hasn't done it before it's a great still a great
accomplishment.

Now if a blow hard starts up I sometimes will be happy in the
knowledge that I can kick their cluster. But sometimes I just have to
put them in their place. I need to be careful as it very embarrassing
to try to put a blow hard in their place when they can put you in
yours. But that's what club rides are for. There I can 'put my money
where my mouth is'.

--
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http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only)
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

....

Quoted message said:

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Kind of reminds me of this Billy Crystal standup routine:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75qcrystal.phtml

[Lights go down, shrouding the studio in darkness. Jazz saxophone plays
a mellow tune. A lone spotlight shines on a stool on the walkway that
juts out into the audience. Crystal, imitating an old jazz musician, walks
into the spotlight and sits on the stool.]

Billy Crystal: [in character, raspy voice]

....

We went to a concert that was given by Romano Mussolini. Yassss, yes, yes,
yes. He's the son of Il Duce. Yasss, yes, yes, yes. Can you dig it? I knew
that you could. Yes, yes. Romano, he don't play too good. He stunk up the
joint. And we was nervous 'cause we know, we's gonna go backstage and he's
gonna say, "Hey, Pops, what'd you think about the set?" And Webster, he's too
kind to tell him that he stunk up the joint, you know what I'm talkin' about?
Yes, yes, yes. Sure enough, we watch him. He's lousy. We go backstage and he
says, "Hey, Pops, what'd you think about the set?" And Webster, he don't know
what to say and he goes, uh, "Hey, man, it was a drag what they did to
your father."

cheers,
Tom

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Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to someone, and
says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert name] is into cycling
too!". The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole miles
down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last
Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Or?

It's just my personality, since I'm probably older than a lot of you and
for years have been involved in a lot of different types of activities,
but I'd try to encourage the beginner. I try to convey the enjoyment
that I get out of cycling. At times early on, I was made to feel like
the rookie that I was, but I just shrugged it off and found some better
friends to ride with. Probably the worst thing you can do is to come
across like a snob, that you are somehow elite and special when in
reality, there's always someone who can do it better and faster than
even you can.

[email hidden] wrote:
:> Claire Petersky wrote:
:>> ... The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole
:>> miles down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70
:>> miles last Sunday, and 700 miles that month.
:>>
:>> Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone
:>> tells you that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And
:>> you did it in 5 hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or
:>> she got up that big steep hill towards the end by just telling
:>> herself she wouldn't let her mph slip below 5 mph the whole way up
:>> -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.
:>
:> A second response, on further thought:
:>
:> It's good to be trying to extend ourselves, and do more miles in
:> fewer hours at higher speed. But it's good to remember that that,
:> in itself, isn't necessarily "better" bicycling.
:>
:> Perhaps bicycling can sometimes be an art, like painting water
:> colors? Maybe sometimes the goal shouldn't be "Whoa, I painted that
:> landscape
:> in four minutes flat! Damn, I'm good!"
:>
:> Perhaps sometimes the goal should be to really notice the turning
:> leaves, to converse with the little kid riding to his buddy's house,
:> to watch the red-tail soaring from the top of the hill you climbed.
:> Perhaps sometimes it shouldn't be about speed or distance, but
:> quality.
:>
:>
:> And maybe that friend had a high-quality ride. That could be a good
:> direction to steer that conversation, no?
:>
:> - Frank Krygowski

Yes, you're reached the higher state of cycling wisdom, Frank, the true high
gear.

Maggie <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Zoot Katz wrote:
:>> Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:41:22 GMT,
:>> <[email hidden]>,
:>> "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>>
:>> >I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head
:>> >for a while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists
:>> >here, how do you react when you encounter someone who is very
:>> >proud of an accomplishment that for you, would be rather lame?
:>>
:>> Congratulate them and then change the subject to bike tech type
:>> stuff
:>> until their eyes glaze over and they excuse themselves.
:>> --
:>> zk
:>
:>
:> That's way harsh Zoot!!! My eyes glaze over if I try to read that
:> other newsgroup...."rec.Bikes-tech" or whatever that is. Truly
:> Harsh.
:>
:>
:> But hey, my eyes glaze over when I have to listen to our computer
:> tech discuss our computers.
:>
:> At a party, if anyone wants to rid themselves of me, all they have to
:> do is start talking about megabytes and ram.........I don't walk
:> away,
:> I run.
:>
:> But hopefully if I ever try to discuss my simple style of riding
:> with a
:> very experienced rider, they will encourage my efforts. Hopefully.
:>
:> Maggie

Well, Mags...it really sounds like it won't matter what they say because it
seems your eyes glaze over really easily, dear.

Joking! 🙂

"Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an
accomplishment that for you, would be rather lame?

For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to someone,
and says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert name] is into
cycling too!". The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven
whole miles down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70
miles last Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Or?

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

I just remember when I finished my first ride, 8 miles in a little over an
hour and thought I was going to die. Now I can do 10 miles in an hour :<😉,
seriously, there are some milestones I remember as if they were yesterday,
the first ride, the first 25 mile ride and first century. I try to relate
to their accomplishment by being there at one time.

Ravi said:

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for
a while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here,
how do you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an
accomplishment that for you, would be rather lame?

IMO, the best thing is to appreciate whatever they think they have
achieved. For their level, it is a great thing. I have had days when i
had done ~30miles and felt good - because i was just into cycling
then... We gotto view it from that person's point of view and try to
appreciate the fact. If you are way way over, still there are common
subjects as to what structure of training do they do ? or even simpler
topics like what motivates them to cycle, how long they have been
cycling, different types of bicycles/rides, etc..

One thing is how modest you can be when asked about yourself is a
tougher. I would meekly put forth my state and try to convince that with
the proper training, anyone can do the kind of rides you do. It is
important for them to understand that it is possible and there are ways
to get to that level...

just another rec. cyclist,
+ravi

i know it's kind of annoying when someone says, 'Oh, so and so is into
biking TOO..." because they have a bike and rode it. But I'm not exactly
(name the female roadie) myself. If it's one of those lamo things I
just keep my eye rolling to myself and say oh, how nice. I hate when
other roadies are snotty so why should I be? But I know what you all
mean. It's like saying "oh, so and so is a woman too! You must have a
lot in common!"

Paul Hobson said:

Dave Vandervies said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for
a while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here,
how do you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an
accomplishment that for you, would be rather lame?

For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to
someone, and says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert
name] is into cycling too!". The person you meet then informs you
that she rode seven whole miles down the multi-use trail last Sunday.
Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

I've run into kind of the inverse problem. How do you deal with people
who think you're really hardcore into biking just because you ride your
bike everywhere (at least when the weather's decent) and randomly decide
to do a 30km ride because the weather's great and you could use a break
from life for an hour or two? "I'm not any more hardcore about my bike
than you are about your car" didn't really work as well as I'd've liked.

Haha...me too! I told some friends that I rode 40 miles in about 3.5
hours with a friend (slow pace for me) and they freaked out. "Holy
[censored], Paul! You're INSANE!!!" Only response I could think of was, "''I
guess so." They also thought it was incredible that I hadn't driven a
car in three weeks.

Well... we all get that. I was telling someone that I was riding my bike
in a hilly area of town, where people to to do their climbing. I'll get
WOW, you rode your bike up that? Well, it's not like I did it at 30k....

18 Oct 2005 08:24:28 -0700,
<[email hidden]>,

Maggie said:

Quoted message said:

Congratulate them and then change the subject to bike tech type stuff
until their eyes glaze over and they excuse themselves.

That's way harsh Zoot!!! My eyes glaze over if I try to read that
other newsgroup...."rec.Bikes-tech" or whatever that is. Truly Harsh.

It would be harsh if I pursued it and kept badgering them the way some
people prattle on about their kids, cars, pets and possessions.

The only thing worse than that is hearing about what they watched on
television yesterday.

I carry my kill-file with me to parties.
--
zk

Zoot Katz said:

18 Oct 2005 08:24:28 -0700,
<[email hidden]>,

Maggie said:

Quoted message said:

Congratulate them and then change the subject to bike tech type stuff
until their eyes glaze over and they excuse themselves.

That's way harsh Zoot!!! My eyes glaze over if I try to read that
other newsgroup...."rec.Bikes-tech" or whatever that is. Truly Harsh.

It would be harsh if I pursued it and kept badgering them the way some
people prattle on about their kids, cars, pets and possessions.

YOU TAKIN' BOUT ME THERE ZOOT??????

18 Oct 2005 12:21:13 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, "Maggie"

Quoted message said:

Zoot Katz said:

18 Oct 2005 08:24:28 -0700,
<[email hidden]>,

Maggie said:

> Congratulate them and then change the subject to bike tech type stuff
> until their eyes glaze over and they excuse themselves.

That's way harsh Zoot!!! My eyes glaze over if I try to read that
other newsgroup...."rec.Bikes-tech" or whatever that is. Truly Harsh.

It would be harsh if I pursued it and kept badgering them the way some
people prattle on about their kids, cars, pets and possessions.

YOU TAKIN' BOUT ME THERE ZOOT??????

A bout with you is pretty far down on the list of things I'd take
anywhere, sweetie.
--
zk

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

For example: you are at a party. The hostess introduces you to someone, and
says, as a way to help along conversation, "oh [insert name] is into cycling
too!". The person you meet then informs you that she rode seven whole miles
down the multi-use trail last Sunday. Meanwhile, you rode 70 miles last
Sunday, and 700 miles that month.

Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Or?

It strikes me as somewhat of an odd question. Everybody's got to start
somewhere!

Imagine, if instead "experienced recreational cyclist" vs. "cycling
newbie" you are now "grown adult with a college education" vs.
"8-year-old child struggling with long division." I can't imagine any of
your responses being appropriate in that situation. Anyone who would get
some sort of satisfaction in inwardly or outwardly comparing themselves
to a person at such a completely different level of experience--to you
(generic, not necessarily you, Claire) I say, "pick on someone your own
size!"

You can never go wrong with the golden rule: if you were a complete
newb, how would you want an experienced person to react?

For me, that'd be heartfelt congratulations, best wishes for continued
improvement, and maybe any quick pointers or tips for taking it to the
next level.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Claire Petersky said:

I'll ask a general question that's been rolling around in my head for a
while. Since there are many "advanced" recreational cyclists here, how do
you react when you encounter someone who is very proud of an accomplishment
that for you, would be rather lame?

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Or, you are at the beer garden at the end of a century. Someone tells you
that they did the whole 100 miles, in 10 hours! Wow! And you did it in 5
hours in a tightly organized little paceline. Or she got up that big steep
hill towards the end by just telling herself she wouldn't let her mph slip
below 5 mph the whole way up -- and you didn't let your mph slip below 10.

Do you smirk at that person condescendingly while s/he relates his/her
accomplishment?
Do you break in to the person's tale and make sure s/he is informed as to
your god(dess)-like cycling status?
Do you listen attentively and politely, and then make modest,
self-deprecating remarks when asked about yourself?

Or?

The third option is the only one for civilized polite
people. GAD, it's only a bike and no matter how good you
are there are thousands of people better/stronger/faster.
Does riding 20mph give you the right to be rude?

To paraphrase Alex Lowe

"The best rider is the one having the most fun."

Personally, I have a lot of respect for the people grinding
it out in the rear. The person doing a century in 10 hours
probably had a much harder struggle than the people cruising
along in 5 hrs.

_ Booker C. Bense

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"Veloise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Eric said:

Claire - sounds like you had an experience where this happened to you.
Were you the former, or latter, person?

Claire rides STP (a double century ride; that would be 200 miles) on
weekends and commutes almost daily. In the example given, she was the
high-miler hearing from the 7-mile newbie. (I don't spend much time on
this here NG and I knew that.)

Veloise, your confidence in me is heart-warming, but actually, I've played
both roles.

In the first instance, yes, I was introduced to someone who indeed bragged
about 7 miles on the Burke-Gilman trail. Since she was clearly proud of her
accomplishment, I sure didn't want to rain on her parade. So I asked her
questions about who she rode with, and how often, and what kind of bike she
had, and she never seemed to think of asking me the same sorts of questions,
so I didn't have to feel like I was lording anything over her.

But I also was in the last example, on the other end. It was on the
penultimate day of our Canadian Rockies tour. It had been a long day: first
we went up to the top of the continental divide, and, as soon as we reached
the top, there was a nasty headwind that erased any benefit of downhill. It
had then been a slog for miles at a snail's pace, fighting the wind. The
final section of the ride, we had to climb Sinclair Pass, the steepest
section of the entire week-long tour, and of course, as soon as we started
up the hill, a peltingly-hard rainstorm began. I only made it up by mentally
setting my bike computer to 10 kph, and never, never, never letting myself
dip below that pace. It was not something I was all that proud of, just a
reality how you have to deal with things at time, but my husband bragged
about it to the guy ahead of us in the chowline. The guy smirked at me so
condescendingly, I wanted to smack him.

And I do see noobs getting the arrogant, "I'm a vastly superior cyclist"
treatment from vastly superior cyclists from time to time, and I just want
to smack those guys, too.

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

"Booker C. Bense"
<[email hidden]> wrote in
message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Does riding 20mph give you the right to be rude?

Only Fabrizio knows the correct answer to that question.

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/
See the books I've set free at:
http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky