Jonathan Page Results

http://www.flurl.com/featured/BIKE_CRASH_347.html

here's the video of JP

http://www.flurl.com/featured/BIKE_CRASH_347.html

here's the video of JP

Guillaume Godet said:

Kermiscross Ardooie - C2
Ardooie, Belgium, October 13, 2005
Results

Elite Men

1 Bart Wellens (Bel) Fidea Cyclocrossteam
2 Sven Vanthourenhout (Bel) Rabobank 0.25
3 Jan Verstraeten (Bel) 1.05
4 Zdenek Stybar (Cze) 1.10
5 Erwin Vervecken (Bel) Fidea Cyclocrossteam 1.20
6 Wim Jacobs (Bel) Fidea Cyclocrossteam
7 Jonathan Page (USA) Colavita Olive Oil 1.35

And the other JP:
13 Jeremy Powers (USA) 2.25
Nice job
Bill C

Just spoke with Page on the phone. Said last week he pulled out cause
it was like his first ride on these new bikes and the position was all
different, and it was a really twisty course and he was riding into
trees and stuff, so he stopped.

Yesterday was a good course, kind of group riding but technical and
fast. He was in the lead group, Wellens kept attacking and JPg wanted
to race so he pulled him back. It was like 5 Fideas, 2 Rabo's, and
JPg, etc. So, he took the job of pulling back Bart which he agrees was
STUPID considering his company.

Anyway, the Fideas were working everyone over with this approach, have
one attack, have one of the other non Fideas pull him back, then attack
and burn the guy off. Worked on everyone but Sven V who got second.

Quoted message said:

From there, JPg worked with Groendendal to try to bring them back, but

couldnt and eventually JPg dropped him too.

JPg was the first rider after all the Fideas, except for Sven. The
results list above does not mention that Jan V and Zdenek both ride for
Fidea.

Pretty impressive race, he is happy with it, he feels and seems to be a
level up from last year.

I like the photo on cyclingnews of the start, where they are all
sprinting balls out and Wellens is already half a length ahead and
looking over his shoulder with his mouth not even open. Dude is scary
this year.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.php?id=photos/2005/oct05/ardooie05/ardooie03

Jerry

Yeah, that last one is not worth much these day, actually none of them
are, really. But I think his results show he's clean. Its worth
something to be clean.

CH

Quoted message said:

Yeah, that last one is not worth much these day, actually none of them
are, really. But I think his results show he's clean. Its worth
something to be clean.

CH

Looking at results? Is that a new WADA test? Sounds accurate. I'll tell
Dr. Catlin at the UCLA lab to throw out hhe mass spec machine and just
use results posted on cyclingnews from now on.

Where do I pick up my Nobel Prize in Medicine - does anyone know?

Thanks,

Magilla

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, that last one is not worth much these day, actually none of them
are, really. But I think his results show he's clean. Its worth
something to be clean.

CH

Looking at results? Is that a new WADA test? Sounds accurate. I'll tell
Dr. Catlin at the UCLA lab to throw out hhe mass spec machine and just use
results posted on cyclingnews from now on.

Where do I pick up my Nobel Prize in Medicine - does anyone know?

The really sad part of all this, IMO, is that the people active in the sport
have created this nightmare of doubt by themselves, for themselves. They've
tarnished their sport so much with drug use that a win or high pacing is
never free of suspicion. I think it was Boyer (not Jonathan) who said that
the only hope is the next generation. Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple of years to let them think of what
they've screwed up. Not that I expect that to happen, but it has been
suggested by some involved in the sport in Europe.

And a question--Does anyone know what sports Sony-Ericson(sp?) sponsors, if
any? Did the drug issues make them shy away from Ferretti?

B. Lafferty said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, that last one is not worth much these day, actually none of them
are, really. But I think his results show he's clean. Its worth
something to be clean.

CH

Looking at results? Is that a new WADA test? Sounds accurate. I'll tell
Dr. Catlin at the UCLA lab to throw out hhe mass spec machine and just use
results posted on cyclingnews from now on.

Where do I pick up my Nobel Prize in Medicine - does anyone know?

The really sad part of all this, IMO, is that the people active in the sport
have created this nightmare of doubt by themselves, for themselves. They've
tarnished their sport so much with drug use that a win or high pacing is
never free of suspicion. I think it was Boyer (not Jonathan) who said that
the only hope is the next generation. Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple of years to let them think of what
they've screwed up. Not that I expect that to happen, but it has been
suggested by some involved in the sport in Europe.

And a question--Does anyone know what sports Sony-Ericson(sp?) sponsors, if
any? Did the drug issues make them shy away from Ferretti?

Sony-Ericsson sponsors the ATP pro tennis tour. Big money, lots of TV
time.

http://www.atptennis.com

Magilla

B. Lafferty said:

The really sad part of all this, IMO, is that the people active in the sport
have created this nightmare of doubt by themselves, for themselves. They've
tarnished their sport so much with drug use that a win or high pacing is
never free of suspicion. I think it was Boyer (not Jonathan) who said that
the only hope is the next generation. Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple of years to let them think of what
they've screwed up. Not that I expect that to happen, but it has been
suggested by some involved in the sport in Europe.

Dumbass -

This is repeatedly the most stupid thing you post.

Cycling, or any other professional sports, isn't going to be any
cleaner than the culture they reside in and the culture they reside in
is drug-ridden. Drugs are everywhere, from the caffeine and alcohol we
drink, the nicotine we smoke, the Prozac, birth control hormones,
Ritalin we ingest.

Those are just the legal ones. The illegal ones are everywhere too. And
cycling's supposed to be clean?

Get real. It's never gonna happen and only a moron would think that it
could.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, that last one is not worth much these day, actually none of them
are, really. But I think his results show he's clean. Its worth
something to be clean.

CH

Looking at results? Is that a new WADA test? Sounds accurate. I'll tell
Dr. Catlin at the UCLA lab to throw out hhe mass spec machine and just use
results posted on cyclingnews from now on.

Where do I pick up my Nobel Prize in Medicine - does anyone know?

The really sad part of all this, IMO, is that the people active in the sport
have created this nightmare of doubt by themselves, for themselves. They've
tarnished their sport so much with drug use that a win or high pacing is
never free of suspicion. I think it was Boyer (not Jonathan) who said that
the only hope is the next generation. Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple of years to let them think of what
they've screwed up. Not that I expect that to happen, but it has been
suggested by some involved in the sport in Europe.

And a question--Does anyone know what sports Sony-Ericson(sp?) sponsors, if
any? Did the drug issues make them shy away from Ferretti?

The riders are entirely unconcerned with what you think.
They'll dope if the feel like it, and hand wringers like
you are irrelevant.

--
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> Yeah, that last one is not worth much these day, actually none of them
> are, really. But I think his results show he's clean. Its worth
> something to be clean.
>
> CH
>

Looking at results? Is that a new WADA test? Sounds accurate. I'll tell
Dr. Catlin at the UCLA lab to throw out hhe mass spec machine and just
use
results posted on cyclingnews from now on.

Where do I pick up my Nobel Prize in Medicine - does anyone know?

The really sad part of all this, IMO, is that the people active in the
sport
have created this nightmare of doubt by themselves, for themselves.
They've
tarnished their sport so much with drug use that a win or high pacing is
never free of suspicion. I think it was Boyer (not Jonathan) who said
that
the only hope is the next generation. Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple of years to let them think of
what
they've screwed up. Not that I expect that to happen, but it has been
suggested by some involved in the sport in Europe.

And a question--Does anyone know what sports Sony-Ericson(sp?) sponsors,
if
any? Did the drug issues make them shy away from Ferretti?

The riders are entirely unconcerned with what you think.
They'll dope if the feel like it, and hand wringers like
you are irrelevant.

Until the sponsors go away.

B. Lafferty said:

Quoted message said:

The riders are entirely unconcerned with what you think.
They'll dope if the feel like it, and hand wringers like
you are irrelevant.

Until the sponsors go away.

Loser -

That's what you would like, I think.

It won't happen. People in general don't share your viewpoint. For
instance, they still cheer for Barry Bonds. The average person wants to
see a good show - they'd rather see a dirty good show than a clean
boring one.

Your mileage may vary.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

The average person wants to
see a good show - they'd rather see a dirty good show than a clean
boring one.

dumbass,

this is 100% true. but maintstream sponsors shy away from dirty good
shows, even if people love 'em. that's why HBO, wrestling, boxing etc.
is driven by pay-TV/pay-per-view.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:10:49 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple
of years to let them think of what
they've screwed up.

Brian, when you stop kids in high school from taking drugs and healthy
women from getting [censored] jobs and people from speeding and running red
lights and top level amateur bikies doping too, then maybe your idea
will make sense.

JT

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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:10:49 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Toward that end, I would argue for
shutting the pro sport down for a couple
of years to let them think of what
they've screwed up.

Brian, when you stop kids in high school from taking drugs and healthy
women from getting [censored] jobs and people from speeding and running red
lights and top level amateur bikies doping too, then maybe your idea
will make sense.

JT

The tell us how to end the drug use in the sport. Give us your idea. The
testing doesn't seem to be stopping much at all. Either that or we give up
and make it legal. BTW, you did note that I said it was unlikely to happen,
right?

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:44:57 GMT, "B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The tell us how to end the drug use in the sport.

Just because I don't have the answer doesn't mean your nonsense will
work.

JT

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B. Lafferty said:

Quoted message said:

Brian, when you stop kids in high school from taking drugs and healthy
women from getting [censored] jobs and people from speeding and running red
lights and top level amateur bikies doping too, then maybe your idea
will make sense.

JT

The tell us how to end the drug use in the sport.

Dumbass -

Jesus, are you misguided.

There's no way to end drug use in sport, just like there is no way to
end recreational drug use in Western culture in general.

Hearken back to Ronald Reagan. The "War on Drugs". Didn't work, did it?
Your stance is basically the same and both your premises are flawed,
namely, that it's possible. It isn't, not with the ethics of Western
society.

Actually, there are 2 ways to solve the problem:

1) legalize everything
2) massively criminalize everything (death penalty for minor
infractions)

Since most people in Western culture find neither one of those options
acceptable, we will be stuck with the current state of affairs, ad
infinitum. "Solving" the problem would take much more than WADA, it
would take a shift in Western culture's ethical outlook.

That's a tall order and it's an issue that's way, way bigger than
sport.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

B. Lafferty said:

Quoted message said:

Brian, when you stop kids in high school from taking drugs and healthy
women from getting [censored] jobs and people from speeding and running red
lights and top level amateur bikies doping too, then maybe your idea
will make sense.

JT

The tell us how to end the drug use in the sport.

Dumbass -

Jesus, are you misguided.

There's no way to end drug use in sport, just like there is no way to
end recreational drug use in Western culture in general.

Hearken back to Ronald Reagan. The "War on Drugs". Didn't work, did it?
Your stance is basically the same and both your premises are flawed,
namely, that it's possible. It isn't, not with the ethics of Western
society.

Actually, there are 2 ways to solve the problem:

1) legalize everything
2) massively criminalize everything (death penalty for minor
infractions)

Since most people in Western culture find neither one of those options
acceptable, we will be stuck with the current state of affairs, ad
infinitum. "Solving" the problem would take much more than WADA, it
would take a shift in Western culture's ethical outlook.

That's a tall order and it's an issue that's way, way bigger than
sport.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41447

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tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Kurgan Gringioni said:

B. Lafferty said:

Quoted message said:

Brian, when you stop kids in high school from taking drugs and healthy
women from getting [censored] jobs and people from speeding and running red
lights and top level amateur bikies doping too, then maybe your idea
will make sense.

JT

The tell us how to end the drug use in the sport.

Dumbass -

Jesus, are you misguided.

There's no way to end drug use in sport, just like there is no way to
end recreational drug use in Western culture in general.

Hearken back to Ronald Reagan. The "War on Drugs". Didn't work, did it?
Your stance is basically the same and both your premises are flawed,
namely, that it's possible. It isn't, not with the ethics of Western
society.

Actually, there are 2 ways to solve the problem:

1) legalize everything
2) massively criminalize everything (death penalty for minor
infractions)

Since most people in Western culture find neither one of those options
acceptable, we will be stuck with the current state of affairs, ad
infinitum. "Solving" the problem would take much more than WADA, it
would take a shift in Western culture's ethical outlook.

That's a tall order and it's an issue that's way, way bigger than
sport.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Actually, the war on drugs has been somewhat successful. There's over a
million people in prison from drug possession/distribution-related
offenses.

Across the country, DWI prosecutions are routine and have relatively
severe penalties.

Record number of athletes are being suspended in pro sports for doping
violations. Many careers are ended because of it.

Go talk to the people in prison doing 20 years and ask them if they
think the war on drugs is real or not.

Magilla