bike maps

Violet Tigress said:

OCTA publishes a free bike map. You can only get one at OCTA
headquarters as far as I know- which is certainly not easy to find , as
they don' publish the address. I came across it on the OCTA site. They
don't advertise this map. Anywhere. Why not?
Like thee bus map it doesn't appear to completely reflect reality but it
looks to be adequate... especially is you happen to have a supplemental
street map.

And OCTA is in what country?

John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

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Violet Tigress said:

OCTA publishes a free bike map. You can only get one at OCTA
headquarters as far as I know- which is certainly not easy to find , as
they don' publish the address. I came across it on the OCTA site. They
don't advertise this map. Anywhere. Why not? Like thee bus map it
doesn't appear to completely reflect reality but it looks to be
adequate... especially is you happen to have a supplemental street map.

And OCTA is in what country?

Ontario Community Transportation Association would seem to be in Canada.

Violent Tickler may well be elsewhere though. And she may have missed
this: "A hard copy of this map (Orange County Transportation Authority
bike map) is available by calling 714-560-5588".

Mike

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Violet Tigress said:

OCTA publishes a free bike map. You can only get one at OCTA

And OCTA is in what country?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. (housing, not the free map)

acrynomfinder.com lists these possibilities, which include both serious and
humorous possibilities:
OCTA Ohio Cable Telecommunications Association
OCTA Orange County Transit Authority
OCTA Orange County Transportation Authority (California)
OCTA Oregon-California Trails Association
OCTA Osceola Classroom Teachers Association
OCTA Oswego Classroom Teachers' Association
OCTA Outsized Cargo Tanker Aircraft
OCTA Oxidizing Capacity of the Tropospheric Atmosphere

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Violet Tigress said:

OCTA publishes a free bike map. You can only get one at OCTA

And OCTA is in what country?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it. (housing, not the free map)

acrynomfinder.com lists these possibilities, which include both serious and
humorous possibilities:
OCTA Ohio Cable Telecommunications Association
OCTA Orange County Transit Authority
OCTA Orange County Transportation Authority (California)
OCTA Oregon-California Trails Association
OCTA Osceola Classroom Teachers Association
OCTA Oswego Classroom Teachers' Association
OCTA Outsized Cargo Tanker Aircraft
OCTA Oxidizing Capacity of the Tropospheric Atmosphere

Levity aside, I have yet to see a truly excellent
cycling commuter street map. I almost wish I were
a cartographer, cuz I have some ideas that I think
could help people select routes. But OTOH, I guess
there's a dues-paying process involved in figuring-out
one's ways about town.

cheers,
Tom

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Mike Causer said:

And she may have missed
this: "A hard copy of this map (Orange County Transportation Authority
bike map) is available by calling 714-560-5588".

Yes, that would be it. My mom called, I didn't. She had to leave a
message. No word from them either. Meanwhile I was trying to find the
actual physical address, which is not in the bus book & is difficult to
find on the site....elitist [censored].

Violet Tigress said:

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Mike Causer said:

And she may have missed
this: "A hard copy of this map (Orange County Transportation Authority
bike map) is available by calling 714-560-5588".

Yes, that would be it. My mom called, I didn't. She had to leave a
message. No word from them either. Meanwhile I was trying to find the
actual physical address, which is not in the bus book & is difficult to
find on the site....elitist [censored].

In Orange County? Say it isn't so ;-)

Neil
San Diego

Tom Keats said:

Levity aside, I have yet to see a truly excellent
cycling commuter street map. I almost wish I were
a cartographer, cuz I have some ideas that I think
could help people select routes. But OTOH, I guess
there's a dues-paying process involved in figuring-out
one's ways about town.

I'm in favor of helping people pay lower dues. I think maps can help!

I'd be interested in hearing your ideas. Our metro area has no such
map, and in my experience they can be useful. I was considering
working toward having one done - or perhaps doing one.

What do you like in maps? What do you not like? What would make a map
better?

- Frank Krygowski

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Tom Keats said:

Levity aside, I have yet to see a truly excellent
cycling commuter street map. I almost wish I were
a cartographer, cuz I have some ideas that I think
could help people select routes. But OTOH, I guess
there's a dues-paying process involved in figuring-out
one's ways about town.

I'm in favor of helping people pay lower dues. I think maps can help!

I'd be interested in hearing your ideas.

Well, from what I've heard, a lot of people would like
good grade/elevation info. That would be nice, but I'd
also like to see indications of which intersections have
which kinds of traffic lights (timed, pushbutton or
loop-detected.) Colour-coding streets in terms of
cycling frequency & use would be nice, as would be
dotted lines showing non-street shortcuts (eg: paths
through parks.)

We have a couple of maps out that have red circles around
problematic/difficult intersections, but those aren't
always the ones where the most car/car collisions occur.

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Our metro area has no such
map, and in my experience they can be useful. I was considering
working toward having one done - or perhaps doing one.

What do you like in maps?

Readable fonts and up-to-dateness.

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What do you not like?

Ideograms that overlap and obscure street names.

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What would make a map
better?

Paper that doesn't wear out with repeated folding.

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Violet Tigress said:

Quoted message said:

"A hard copy of this map (Orange County Transportation Authority
bike map) is available by calling 714-560-5588".

Yes, that would be it. My mom called, I didn't. She had to leave a
message. No word from them either. Meanwhile I was trying to find the
actual physical address, which is not in the bus book & is difficult to
find on the site....elitist [censored].

550 South Main Street
Orange, CA 92863-1584

Google is your friend!

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Tom Keats said:

Levity aside, I have yet to see a truly excellent
cycling commuter street map. I almost wish I were
a cartographer, cuz I have some ideas that I think
could help people select routes. But OTOH, I guess
there's a dues-paying process involved in figuring-out
one's ways about town.

I'm in favor of helping people pay lower dues. I think maps can help!

I'd be interested in hearing your ideas.

Well, from what I've heard, a lot of people would like
good grade/elevation info. That would be nice, but I'd
also like to see indications of which intersections have
which kinds of traffic lights (timed, pushbutton or
loop-detected.) Colour-coding streets in terms of
cycling frequency & use would be nice, as would be
dotted lines showing non-street shortcuts (eg: paths
through parks.)

We have a couple of maps out that have red circles around
problematic/difficult intersections, but those aren't
always the ones where the most car/car collisions occur.

Quoted message said:

Our metro area has no such
map, and in my experience they can be useful. I was considering
working toward having one done - or perhaps doing one.

What do you like in maps?

Readable fonts and up-to-dateness.

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What do you not like?

Ideograms that overlap and obscure street names.

Quoted message said:

What would make a map
better?

Paper that doesn't wear out with repeated folding.

Houston, though not a great cycling community, has a decent bikeway GIS site. It's also available in
pdf format, suitable for arch size E printing. Of course not everyone has access to a large scale
plotter.

Maps:
http://www.publicworks.cityofhouston.gov/bikeways/docs/Bikeway_map_network.pdf
http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/trail-map.html

GIS:
http://scps.pwe.ci.houston.tx.us/bikeway/jsp/main.jsp

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Houston, though not a great cycling community, has a decent bikeway GIS site. It's also available

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pdf format, suitable for arch size E printing. Of course not everyone has access to a large scale
plotter.

Maps:
http://www.publicworks.cityofhouston.gov/bikeways/docs/Bikeway_map_network.pdf
http://www.houstontx.gov/parks/trail-map.html

GIS:
http://scps.pwe.ci.houston.tx.us/bikeway/jsp/main.jsp

links work for anyone else? no me. Try here:
http://www.publicworks.cityofhouston.gov/bikeways/maps.htm

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What do you like in maps? What do you not like? What would make a map
better?

Things I like about our city's bicycle map:

o Shows where public restrooms are
o Indicates grade on bike routes
o Shows paved cyclist/ped only cut-throughs
o Along with showing the entire street grid, marks bike routes that are:
- Off-street trails
- Lower traffic streets
- Higher traffic streets (with wide curb lanes or shoulders, or bike lane)
and
- Caution areas -- streets with high traffic volume and narrow lanes
- Pedestrian paved paths, which are narrow and walking the bike is
recommended
o Has insets of tricky areas that people always ask about, like how to
access the I-90 trail.

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What do you like in maps? What do you not like? What would make a map
better?

One very useful feature in a bike map is, showing "best" bike routes. That
is, some knowledgeable cyclists' judgment about what roads are most pleasant
ways to get around, taking into account traffic, road surface, hills,
scenery, etc.

Showing these routes does not mean not showing other roads. A map of only
back roads would be hard to use.

I suppose (though I've never seen this) showing problem intersections and
roads could be useful too. I have seen maps with details showing how to
traverse particularly counterintuitive intersections.

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Mike Causer said:

550 South Main Street
Orange, CA 92863-1584

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Thanx

Claire Petersky said:

Things I like about our city's bicycle map:

...
o Indicates grade on bike routes ...

How are the grades indicated, Claire?

I've seen systems of chevrons (originating, I think, with certain
Michelin maps of Europe). That is, something like: one chevron
pointing uphill indicates 3% to 5% grade; two chevrons = 5% to 7%,
three = 7% to 10% or some such thing.

Is that what's used? Or are there any alternatives? (Full contour
lines would likely be overkill, and unreadable by many folks.)

- Frank Krygowski

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Tom Keats said:

Levity aside, I have yet to see a truly excellent
cycling commuter street map. I almost wish I were
a cartographer, cuz I have some ideas that I think
could help people select routes. But OTOH, I guess
there's a dues-paying process involved in figuring-out
one's ways about town.

I'm in favor of helping people pay lower dues. I think maps can help!

I'd be interested in hearing your ideas.

Well, from what I've heard, a lot of people would like
good grade/elevation info. That would be nice, but I'd
also like to see indications of which intersections have
which kinds of traffic lights (timed, pushbutton or
loop-detected.) Colour-coding streets in terms of
cycling frequency & use would be nice, as would be
dotted lines showing non-street shortcuts (eg: paths
through parks.)

A couple of other nice thing to have would be indications
of where minor/major street intersections are encumbered
with traffic islands, and info about the number of RR tracks
at level crossings (all of the maps I've seen show them all
as single tracks.)

Greater Vancouver's public transit authority recently published
a cycle commuting map that doesn't even show basic address
number ranges! Gotta have that, or else what good is the map?

cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats said:

A couple of other nice thing to have would be indications
of where minor/major street intersections are encumbered
with traffic islands, and info about the number of RR tracks
at level crossings (all of the maps I've seen show them all
as single tracks.)

Greater Vancouver's public transit authority recently published
a cycle commuting map that doesn't even show basic address
number ranges! Gotta have that, or else what good is the map?

Part of the problem, of course, is the tradeoff between detail, area
covered by the map and size of the map. The more you show, the less
area you can cover in a given size map.

Perhaps one day we'll have portable digital "maps" that zoom, Google
Earth style, down to where you can view the potholes in the road. But
for now, we've got to compromise.

Do most people need address ranges?

- Frank Krygowski

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Do most people need address ranges?

I figure ultimately that's what street maps are for --
to figure out how to get to 1234 Maple St, or wherever.

cheers,
Tom

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Michelin maps of Europe). That is, something like: one chevron
pointing uphill indicates 3% to 5% grade; two chevrons = 5% to 7%,
three = 7% to 10% or some such thing.

Actually the Michelin gradients are 5-9, 9-13 and 13+% ...damn accurate
too in my experience.