SRAM road group

Quoted message said:

the truth...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/interbike05/?id=results/interbike
0522

price point?

Francesco Devittori said:

the truth...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/interbike05/?id=results/interbike0522

I still think that Campagnolo and now SRAM are missing an opportunity
to grab sales by not having a Shimano-compatible version of their
shifters. Since Shimano utterly dominates the OEM market, and yet their
shifters are not particularly reliable, either company might be able to
introduce cyclists to their product by having a shifter that doesn't
require some kind of hack or the purchase of a new derailleur.

I wonder how reliable the SRAM shifters will be and whether they will
be rebuildable. The statement that the design has a "remarkable
simplicity" is encouraging.

Quoted message said:

Francesco Devittori said:

the truth...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/interbike05/?id=results/interbike0522

I still think that Campagnolo and now SRAM are missing an opportunity
to grab sales by not having a Shimano-compatible version of their
shifters. Since Shimano utterly dominates the OEM market, and yet their
shifters are not particularly reliable, either company might be able to
introduce cyclists to their product by having a shifter that doesn't
require some kind of hack or the purchase of a new derailleur.

I wonder how reliable the SRAM shifters will be and whether they will
be rebuildable. The statement that the design has a "remarkable
simplicity" is encouraging.

I, and others, with some dissent from still others, would assert that
the Campy 10 shifters are reasonably compatible with both shimaNO 9 AND
10.

App

Quoted message said:

Francesco Devittori said:

the truth...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/interbike05/?id=results/interbike0522

I still think that Campagnolo and now SRAM are missing an opportunity
to grab sales by not having a Shimano-compatible version of their
shifters. Since Shimano utterly dominates the OEM market, and yet their
shifters are not particularly reliable, either company might be able to
introduce cyclists to their product by having a shifter that doesn't
require some kind of hack or the purchase of a new derailleur.

I wonder how reliable the SRAM shifters will be and whether they will
be rebuildable. The statement that the design has a "remarkable
simplicity" is encouraging.

I completely agree with your views. I was a bit disappointed to read
that SRAM decided to use 1:1 pull ratio, which implies that you must
use a SRAM rear derailleur.

It would be cool if SRAM would offer replaceable campy/shimano
compatible "shift disk" (like campy does). I wonder if that's in the
plan.

The article mentions "Next year, SRAM will offer its first ever
complete component group for road bikes...." It's still not clear
whether this implies market availability in 2006 or 2007.

Quoted message said:

Francesco Devittori said:

the truth...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/interbike05/?id=results/interbike0522

I still think that Campagnolo and now SRAM are missing an opportunity
to grab sales by not having a Shimano-compatible version of their
shifters. Since Shimano utterly dominates the OEM market, and yet their
shifters are not particularly reliable, either company might be able to
introduce cyclists to their product by having a shifter that doesn't
require some kind of hack or the purchase of a new derailleur.

I wonder how reliable the SRAM shifters will be and whether they will
be rebuildable. The statement that the design has a "remarkable
simplicity" is encouraging.

I completely agree with your views. I was a bit disappointed to read
that SRAM decided to use 1:1 pull ratio, which implies that you must
use a SRAM rear derailleur.

It would be cool if SRAM would offer replaceable campy/shimano
compatible "shift disk" (like campy does). I wonder if that's in their
plans.

The article mentions "Next year, SRAM will offer its first ever
complete component group for road bikes...." It's still not clear
whether this implies market availability in 2006 or 2007.

On 13 Oct 2005 12:24:30 -0700, "damyth" <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I wonder how reliable the SRAM shifters will be and whether they will
be rebuildable. The statement that the design has a "remarkable
simplicity" is encouraging.

I completely agree with your views. I was a bit disappointed to read
that SRAM decided to use 1:1 pull ratio, which implies that you must
use a SRAM rear derailleur.

Yeah, but the 1:1 cable pull ratio is inherently better. Easier to adjust
and less sensitive to housing issues of whatever kind.

Quoted message said:

It would be cool if SRAM would offer replaceable campy/shimano
compatible "shift disk" (like campy does). I wonder if that's in the
plan.

I didn't know Campy was offering Shimano shift disks.

And no, not in the cards. Campy shift disks alter where the detents are,
not the total cable pull.

Quoted message said:

The article mentions "Next year, SRAM will offer its first ever
complete component group for road bikes...." It's still not clear
whether this implies market availability in 2006 or 2007.

'07 model year which will be available late '06. All the '06 model year
gear is already out there.

Jasper

App said:

I, and others, with some dissent from still others, would assert that
the Campy 10 shifters are reasonably compatible with both shimaNO 9 AND
10.

Campy 10 shifters with a 'hubbub' modded Shimano derailer will shift S9s,
but you really need a campy derailer to shift 10s.

Jasper

damyth said:

It would be cool if SRAM would offer replaceable campy/shimano
compatible "shift disk" (like campy does). I wonder if that's in their
plans.

Campy offers a Shimano campatible shift disc?

-Nate

Llatikcuf said:

damyth said:

It would be cool if SRAM would offer replaceable campy/shimano
compatible "shift disk" (like campy does). I wonder if that's in their
plans.

Campy offers a Shimano campatible shift disc?

They did when they were making the 8 spd ergo for Sachs, but not since
to my knowledge.

Baird

Jasper Janssen said:

App said:

I, and others, with some dissent from still others, would assert that
the Campy 10 shifters are reasonably compatible with both shimaNO 9
AND
10.

Campy 10 shifters with a 'hubbub' modded Shimano derailer will shift
S9s, but you really need a campy derailer to shift 10s.

Jasper

You'll need a new designation to distinguish between Shimano and SRAM.
Maybe Sh10 and SR10?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Squid-in-Training said:

Jasper Janssen said:

App said:

I, and others, with some dissent from still others, would assert that
the Campy 10 shifters are reasonably compatible with both shimaNO 9
AND
10.

Campy 10 shifters with a 'hubbub' modded Shimano derailer will shift
S9s, but you really need a campy derailer to shift 10s.

Quoted message said:

You'll need a new designation to distinguish between Shimano and SRAM.
Maybe Sh10 and SR10?

For now I'd keep S for Shimano and either not refer to SRAM at all or only
do so with the full name -- they don't come up in combination posts at all
since the 1:1 is so different from all the others.

The only combo with sram 1:1 is apparently that a Campag 8 with a Sram
derailer will shift 8 out of 10 shimano cogs. Oh, and although not marked
on the chart, sram 1:1 9v with a pre-'01 Campy derailer will switch
indexed 5/6 speed spacing. Both are among the sillier options available.

Jasper

damyth said:

Quoted message said:

Francesco Devittori said:

the truth...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/interbike05/?id=results/interbike0522

I still think that Campagnolo and now SRAM are missing an opportunity
to grab sales by not having a Shimano-compatible version of their
shifters. Since Shimano utterly dominates the OEM market, and yet their
shifters are not particularly reliable, either company might be able to
introduce cyclists to their product by having a shifter that doesn't
require some kind of hack or the purchase of a new derailleur.

I wonder how reliable the SRAM shifters will be and whether they will
be rebuildable. The statement that the design has a "remarkable
simplicity" is encouraging.

I completely agree with your views. I was a bit disappointed to read
that SRAM decided to use 1:1 pull ratio, which implies that you must
use a SRAM rear derailleur.

It would be cool if SRAM would offer replaceable campy/shimano
compatible "shift disk" (like campy does). I wonder if that's in their
plans.

The article mentions "Next year, SRAM will offer its first ever
complete component group for road bikes...." It's still not clear
whether this implies market availability in 2006 or 2007.

2007 and Campag doesn't make shift discs that are compatible with
shimano rear derailleurs...not since about 1993 or so.

Squid-in-Training said:

Jasper Janssen said:

App said:

I, and others, with some dissent from still others, would assert that
the Campy 10 shifters are reasonably compatible with both shimaNO 9
AND
10.

Campy 10 shifters with a 'hubbub' modded Shimano derailer will shift
S9s, but you really need a campy derailer to shift 10s.

Jasper

You'll need a new designation to distinguish between Shimano and SRAM.
Maybe Sh10 and SR10?

How about something just a bit more accurate, such as SRAM and
Sh1T. This makes reference to the overpricing and unrepairability of
Shimano brifters, (as someone here pointed out). The [censored]. Let
them go back to fishing reels. There is simply no reason for the
outrageous prices of Ultegra and Dura Ace parts, other than buyers
with deep pockets who will shell out. Note the fact that many product
managers in quality mountain are now spec'ing SRAM components and
dissing Shimano, and for good reason. (refer to recent isue of
Mountain Bike Action.) Shimano has been playing us for saps for years.
They make fine products at the lower ends, and which are not overprice
and well-constructed, same as their fishing reels.

Roy Sperling