Whose fault?

"Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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This is an accident that didn't happen, but gave two of us a moment of panic.

Monday, about 10pm, I was setting off to ride home from a rehearsal in central Plymouth. Deciding
to take the back roads, I was turning right from a moderately steep uphill into a cobbled alleyway
that is not obviously a road at all. No traffic, so I was taking it easy.

Just as I was starting to turn, I see a cyclist coming the other way. He's on the downhill, with
no lights. And he has no reason at all to expect me to turn right into - essentially - a non-road.
Panic was momentary. I stopped and jumped down in the beginning of my turn; he jammed the brakes
on and skidded past. We had just enough time to exchange grins after seeing we've avoided an
accident.

So who was worse? Him for riding downhill with no lights, or me for manoeuvering rather casually
on a road where I appeared to be the only moving vehicle, but where parked cars could conceal
something?

Both ..... he should have had lights, but you stated that you'd already seen him and crossed
his path therefore creating a dangerous situation where he had to apply his brakes with
considerable force ...

Just my opinion anyway.

Nick Kew tried to scribble ...

Quoted message said:

This is an accident that didn't happen, but gave two of us a moment of panic.

Monday, about 10pm, I was setting off to ride home from a rehearsal in central Plymouth. Deciding
to take the back roads, I was turning right from a moderately steep uphill into a cobbled alleyway
that is not obviously a road at all. No traffic, so I was taking it easy.

Just as I was starting to turn, I see a cyclist coming the other way. He's on the downhill, with
no lights. And he has no reason at all to expect me to turn right into - essentially - a non-road.
Panic was momentary. I stopped and jumped down in the beginning of my turn; he jammed the brakes
on and skidded past. We had just enough time to exchange grins after seeing we've avoided an
accident.

So who was worse? Him for riding downhill with no lights, or me for manoeuvering rather casually
on a road where I appeared to be the only moving vehicle, but where parked cars could conceal
something?

50 - 50 .. 😉

Did he need lights ? You seem to have seen him early enough. Why are you so casual about making a
right turn ?

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Digweed

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So who was worse?

The car driver, of course.

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Rob

Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may contribute and benefit.

In article <[email hidden]>, one of infinite monkeys at the

keyboard of 'elyob said:

Both ..... he should have had lights, but you stated that you'd already seen him and crossed his
path therefore creating a dangerous situation where he had to apply his brakes with considerable
force ...

I obviously wasn't clear. I didn't cross his path; I saw him just in time to stop. His brakes were a
reaction to what might have happened.

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Axis of Evil: Whose economy needs ever more wars? Arms Exports $bn: USA 14.2, UK 5.1, vs France 1.5,
Germany 0.8 (The Economist, July 2002)

(Nick Kew) said:

So who was worse? Him for riding downhill with no lights, or me for manoeuvering rather casually
on a road where I appeared to be the only moving vehicle, but where parked cars could conceal
something?

Him. No lights after dark, asking for trouble and at 10pm these days it is dark - unless you're in
Finland or someplace. IMHO. If he'd had lights then you'd have had a better chance of seeing him -
even if you were being casual.

Also, if you mention parked cars concealing something, was he riding on the pavement?

Did you have lights?

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Tina Eager

"Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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In article <[email hidden]>, one of

infinite monkeys

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at the keyboard of 'elyob said:

Both ..... he should have had lights, but you stated that you'd already

seen

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him and crossed his path therefore creating a dangerous situation where

he

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had to apply his brakes with considerable force ...

I obviously wasn't clear. I didn't cross his path; I saw him just in time to stop. His brakes were
a reaction to what might have happened.

If it went to court, he'd be knocked big time for not having lights.

In article <[email hidden]>, one of infinite monkeys at the keyboard

of (Tina Eager) said:

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So who was worse? Him for riding downhill with no lights, or me for manoeuvering rather casually
on a road where I appeared to be the only moving vehicle, but where parked cars could conceal
something?

Him.

Thank you. Welcome to the newsgroup:-)

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No lights after dark, asking for trouble and at 10pm these days it is dark - unless you're
in Finland or someplace.

Indeed.

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IMHO. If he'd had lights then you'd have had a better chance of seeing him - even if you
were being casual.

Well, I'd have seen a moving light earlier.

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Also, if you mention parked cars concealing something, was he riding on the pavement?

Nope.

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Did you have lights?

Yes - though I was one down on my usual (only one working front light; both the rear ones
were fine).

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Axis of Evil: Whose economy needs ever more wars? Arms Exports $bn: USA 14.2, UK 5.1, vs France 1.5,
Germany 0.8 (The Economist, July 2002)

Digweed .. ;) said:

Nick Kew tried to scribble ...

Quoted message said:

This is an accident that didn't happen, but gave two of us a moment of panic.

Monday, about 10pm, I was setting off to ride home from a rehearsal in central Plymouth. Deciding
to take the back roads, I was turning right from a moderately steep uphill into a cobbled
alleyway that is not obviously a road at all. No traffic, so I was taking it easy.

Just as I was starting to turn, I see a cyclist coming the other way. He's on the downhill, with
no lights. And he has no reason at all to expect me to turn right into - essentially - a
non-road. Panic was momentary. I stopped and jumped down in the beginning of my turn; he jammed
the brakes on and skidded past. We had just enough time to exchange grins after seeing we've
avoided an accident.

So who was worse? Him for riding downhill with no lights, or me for manoeuvering rather casually
on a road where I appeared to be the only moving vehicle, but where parked cars could conceal
something?

50 - 50 .. 😉

Did he need lights ? You seem to have seen him early enough. Why are you so casual about making a
right turn ?

It's 10pm - of course he needed lights, unless Plymouth has suddenly moved up to the Arctic Circle.