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  1. Hi,
    I am new to the group. I have just begun atkins yesterday (first day
    of induction). I am hoping to gain some control over my weight and energy
    level thru this new WOE. A couple of years back, I had lost a considerable
    amount of weight just by reducing intake and exercising. I have since
    gained all back and then some. I am 38 years old, 5' 6" tall, and just hit
    305 lbs (absolutely scarey!!!!!!!!!!). I am looking for a way to gain a
    more permenant feeling of control, and to get the weight off completely and
    permenantly.
    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any ideas at
    all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings of not being
    satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this list.
    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts (what to
    look for and aim for being still on the induction phase). My husband has
    his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning some outings with the
    kids. I really want to stay with the program thruout his vacation. Thanks
    for your insight and responses.

    MO3

  2. Mommyof3 said:

    I have just begun atkins yesterday

    Did you read the book? *All* of it? Or at least the website? Make
    sure you eat your veggies!

    Quoted message said:

    A couple of years back, I had lost a considerable amount of weight
    just by reducing intake and exercising.

    You will be reducing your intake and exercising on Atkins as well.
    Atkins is primarily a way of helping you do that, while compensating
    for the problems caused by your old diet.

    Quoted message said:

    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any
    ideas at all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings
    of not being satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this
    list.

    Induction is special. For the first two weeks, the goal is to avoid
    feeling unsatisfied while strictly limiting the *types* of foods you
    eat. If you are hungry, eat. As long as it's on the allowed foods
    list and you're keeping within the few limits (4oz cheese, for
    example), eat until you feel satisfied. After the first two weeks,
    the cravings should go away and you should find it easier to eat less.

    The general consensus around here is that the "three cups salad
    veggies" is too low a limit. IMHO eat all the salad veggies you want.
    It takes about 26 lbs of lettuce to get 20g net carbs.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts
    (what to look for and aim for being still on the induction phase).

    Grilled meats with veggie sides, oil and vinegar dressing on your
    salad. As long as you avoid potatoes, corn, carrots, peas, bread,
    rice, and pasta, (i.e. the "white foods" plus starchy veggies and
    fruits) you're 90% of the way there.

    The thing is, if you miss your goal by 10% on one meal, don't use it
    as an excuse to go off your diet even more. Go right back to strict
    eating at the next meal and don't worry about it.

    Quoted message said:

    My husband has his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning
    some outings with the kids. I really want to stay with the program
    thruout his vacation. Thanks for your insight and responses.

    Nuts, dried meats, cold cuts, hard boiled eggs, olives, avocados, hard
    cheeses - all good travel food.

  3. Thank you for such a great post! Right now, I am mainly going by the
    website for the induction phase. I got the food list from
    http://lowcarb4life.sugarbane.com/lowcarbfoods.htm and printed it out. I
    ordered the atkins book a couple of days ago, but didn't want to wait for it
    to arrive before getting started. It should arrive today or tomorrow. I
    don't get as many opportunities to get to the store these days as I would
    like, so sometimes Amazon.com comes in handy.
    I am thrilled to hear about the "general census" on the salad
    veggies!!! This was one of the big things I would have missed! That alone
    makes it easier for restraunts. So, now I know what to order! You made it
    deeply easy for me to feel secure with going out to eat! I don't see nuts
    on the induction list, however. I do think it comes in after this phase (I
    hope). I will read the book to find out the details following induction.
    Thanks again for your support!

    MO3

    "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Mommyof3 said:

    I have just begun atkins yesterday

    Did you read the book? *All* of it? Or at least the website? Make
    sure you eat your veggies!

    Quoted message said:

    A couple of years back, I had lost a considerable amount of weight
    just by reducing intake and exercising.

    You will be reducing your intake and exercising on Atkins as well.
    Atkins is primarily a way of helping you do that, while compensating
    for the problems caused by your old diet.

    Quoted message said:

    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any
    ideas at all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings
    of not being satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this
    list.

    Induction is special. For the first two weeks, the goal is to avoid
    feeling unsatisfied while strictly limiting the *types* of foods you
    eat. If you are hungry, eat. As long as it's on the allowed foods
    list and you're keeping within the few limits (4oz cheese, for
    example), eat until you feel satisfied. After the first two weeks,
    the cravings should go away and you should find it easier to eat less.

    The general consensus around here is that the "three cups salad
    veggies" is too low a limit. IMHO eat all the salad veggies you want.
    It takes about 26 lbs of lettuce to get 20g net carbs.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts
    (what to look for and aim for being still on the induction phase).

    Grilled meats with veggie sides, oil and vinegar dressing on your
    salad. As long as you avoid potatoes, corn, carrots, peas, bread,
    rice, and pasta, (i.e. the "white foods" plus starchy veggies and
    fruits) you're 90% of the way there.

    The thing is, if you miss your goal by 10% on one meal, don't use it
    as an excuse to go off your diet even more. Go right back to strict
    eating at the next meal and don't worry about it.

    Quoted message said:

    My husband has his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning
    some outings with the kids. I really want to stay with the program
    thruout his vacation. Thanks for your insight and responses.

    Nuts, dried meats, cold cuts, hard boiled eggs, olives, avocados, hard
    cheeses - all good travel food.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I am new to the group.

    Hi MO3, welcome to the group!

    Quoted message said:

    I have just begun atkins yesterday (first day
    of induction). I am hoping to gain some control over my weight and energy
    level thru this new WOE.

    Congratulations on making a WISE choice! Keep in mind that during the
    first week or so you may experience a LACK of energy as your body
    adjusts to burning fat for fuel instead of carbs. Then one day you will
    probably experience a sudden burst of energy that's almost like a HIGH!

    Quoted message said:

    I am looking for a way to gain a
    more permenant feeling of control, and to get the weight off completely and
    permenantly.

    I have been doing this for over 2 years and plan to continue doing it
    for the rest of my life, at least for as long as *I* have control over
    what I eat. I do this not only to lose weight, but to feel better. The
    feeling better part is MUCH more motivating to me than the losing weight
    part (or I wouldn't have let myself gain so much in the first place) --
    besides, I lose very slowly. Once you get a good handle on low-carb
    eating and develop better habits, you are much more likely to stick with
    it for the long term. Do NOT go into this thinking you will go back to
    eating the "normal" way once you lose the weight -- that's a sure recipe
    for regain.

    Quoted message said:

    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any ideas at
    all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings of not being
    satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this list.

    I post a long list of tips each Sunday. You can find it now by Googling
    "Saffire's Weekly Low-Carb Tips". Off the top of my head, though, my
    very first recommendation would be to cook up a mess of hard-boiled eggs
    and keep them handy in the fridge so that when you open the door, you
    have that quick choice. It will help stave off hunger AND it's
    nutritious (plus you'll feel righteous about it :-). I just had one a
    little while ago, not so much because I was hungry, but because I wanted
    to eat something so I could take some Ibuprofen. Eggs are VERY
    versatile and nutritious. If you crave crunchy/salty, pork rinds are
    good (make sure you have water handy, though, because they are very
    drying on the tongue). If you crave sweet, mix some Splenda with some
    cream cheese and maybe a little flavoring of some kind (cocoa powder is
    good). This was a real lifesaver for me during the first couple of
    weeks. I could go into the fridge and swipe a dollop of it when I
    wanted something sweet, and be satisified with THAT. Sugar-free jello
    is good, too. If you want to avoid Aspartame (aka Nutrisweet/Equal),
    which make contribute to cravings, you can make your own out of 2
    packets of gelatine, 4 quarts of water (two of them icy cold, 2 of them
    boiling hot), Splenda and unsweetened Kool-Aid.

    For the first couple of days, your body will be fairly SCREAMING for
    more carbs, so a great deal of willpower is involved. By the 3rd (or
    possibly 4th) day, however, you should notice a distinct decrease in
    these cravings, making it MUCH easier to plan and make better choices.
    That's the beauty of low-carb -- it makes it MUCH easier to break free
    from that vicious cycle of craving carbs, resulting in you eating carbs,
    resulting in you craving even MORE carbs. I swear, between feeling
    better and being able to control your appetite for carbs, it's like
    finding religion :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts (what to
    look for and aim for being still on the induction phase). My husband has
    his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning some outings with the
    kids. I really want to stay with the program thruout his vacation. Thanks
    for your insight and responses.

    I seldom eat at restaurants, but as long as you stick to protein, fat
    and veggies and avoid sugar, you should be fine. Avoid low-fat
    dressings -- they often contain a lot of sugar. Ranch, Italian, blue
    cheese, or just oil & vinegar usually works well. Avoid fries at all
    costs :-) If they include rice or potatoes with your meal, ask them to
    substitute low-carb veggies (zucchini seems to be a favorite of
    restaurants) -- most places are very accommodating about this. If they
    insist, just don't eat that part. Don't be afraid to ask for more
    butter or any other allowed condiment if that's what you want. Avoid
    omelets, though, as many people find that restaurants tend to add carby
    fillers and sometimes sugar to them.

    Remember, if WE can do it, so can YOU! For more inspiration, check out
    people's progress photos (usually in the sig if they have one). I need
    to update mine, but I'm only 2 lbs from goal, so I'm now waiting until I
    reach it before updating -- I now weigh about 15 lbs less than the
    current one that's up. I NEVER thought I would get to this weight again
    -- I truly think Atkins has saved my LIFE.

    --
    Saffire
    205/127/125
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

    *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
    in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

  5. Make sure its green salad veggies, not tomatoes or beetroot for example.

    Regards

    John

    "Mommyof3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you for such a great post! Right now, I am mainly going by the
    website for the induction phase. I got the food list from
    http://lowcarb4life.sugarbane.com/lowcarbfoods.htm and printed it out. I
    ordered the atkins book a couple of days ago, but didn't want to wait for
    it to arrive before getting started. It should arrive today or tomorrow.
    I don't get as many opportunities to get to the store these days as I
    would like, so sometimes Amazon.com comes in handy.
    I am thrilled to hear about the "general census" on the salad
    veggies!!! This was one of the big things I would have missed! That
    alone makes it easier for restraunts. So, now I know what to order! You
    made it deeply easy for me to feel secure with going out to eat! I don't
    see nuts on the induction list, however. I do think it comes in after
    this phase (I hope). I will read the book to find out the details
    following induction. Thanks again for your support!

    MO3

    "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Mommyof3 said:

    I have just begun atkins yesterday

    Did you read the book? *All* of it? Or at least the website? Make
    sure you eat your veggies!

    Quoted message said:

    A couple of years back, I had lost a considerable amount of weight
    just by reducing intake and exercising.

    You will be reducing your intake and exercising on Atkins as well.
    Atkins is primarily a way of helping you do that, while compensating
    for the problems caused by your old diet.

    Quoted message said:

    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any
    ideas at all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings
    of not being satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this
    list.

    Induction is special. For the first two weeks, the goal is to avoid
    feeling unsatisfied while strictly limiting the *types* of foods you
    eat. If you are hungry, eat. As long as it's on the allowed foods
    list and you're keeping within the few limits (4oz cheese, for
    example), eat until you feel satisfied. After the first two weeks,
    the cravings should go away and you should find it easier to eat less.

    The general consensus around here is that the "three cups salad
    veggies" is too low a limit. IMHO eat all the salad veggies you want.
    It takes about 26 lbs of lettuce to get 20g net carbs.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts
    (what to look for and aim for being still on the induction phase).

    Grilled meats with veggie sides, oil and vinegar dressing on your
    salad. As long as you avoid potatoes, corn, carrots, peas, bread,
    rice, and pasta, (i.e. the "white foods" plus starchy veggies and
    fruits) you're 90% of the way there.

    The thing is, if you miss your goal by 10% on one meal, don't use it
    as an excuse to go off your diet even more. Go right back to strict
    eating at the next meal and don't worry about it.

    Quoted message said:

    My husband has his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning
    some outings with the kids. I really want to stay with the program
    thruout his vacation. Thanks for your insight and responses.

    Nuts, dried meats, cold cuts, hard boiled eggs, olives, avocados, hard
    cheeses - all good travel food.

  6. Mommyof3 said:

    Thank you for such a great post! Right now, I am mainly going
    by the website for the induction phase. I got the food list from
    http://lowcarb4life.sugarbane.com/lowcarbfoods.htm

    That's not the Atkins web site. Try www.atkins.com then the "How to
    Do Atkins" button.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't see nuts on the induction list, however. I do think it
    comes in after this phase (I hope).

    It depends on which version of the Atkins book you get. Mine (1992)
    says they're OK as long as you count their carbs (nuts have carbs).
    Beware, though, it's *really* easy to overeat nuts.

  7. First of all, it's spelled "restaurants".

    Next, eating in restaurants is how you got fat in the first place.

    And lastly, spending more time cleaning your house will help take your mind
    off of eating.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Mommyof3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I am new to the group. I have just begun atkins yesterday (first day
    of induction). I am hoping to gain some control over my weight and energy
    level thru this new WOE. A couple of years back, I had lost a
    considerable amount of weight just by reducing intake and exercising. I
    have since gained all back and then some. I am 38 years old, 5' 6" tall,
    and just hit 305 lbs (absolutely scarey!!!!!!!!!!). I am looking for a
    way to gain a more permenant feeling of control, and to get the weight off
    completely and permenantly.
    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any ideas at
    all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings of not being
    satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this list.
    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts (what to
    look for and aim for being still on the induction phase). My husband has
    his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning some outings with the
    kids. I really want to stay with the program thruout his vacation.
    Thanks for your insight and responses.

    MO3

  8. "Mommyof3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I am new to the group. I have just begun atkins yesterday (first day
    of induction). I am hoping to gain some control over my weight and energy
    level thru this new WOE. A couple of years back, I had lost a


    considerable

    Quoted message said:

    amount of weight just by reducing intake and exercising. I have since
    gained all back and then some. I am 38 years old, 5' 6" tall, and just


    hit

    Quoted message said:

    305 lbs (absolutely scarey!!!!!!!!!!). I am looking for a way to gain a
    more permenant feeling of control, and to get the weight off completely


    and

    Quoted message said:

    permenantly.
    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any ideas at
    all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings of not being
    satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this list.
    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts (what


    to

    Quoted message said:

    look for and aim for being still on the induction phase). My husband has
    his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning some outings with the
    kids. I really want to stay with the program thruout his vacation.


    Thanks

    Quoted message said:

    for your insight and responses.

    MO3

    Make sure you read the section of the book on vitamin/oil suppliments, they
    are really crucial to reducing the 'carb withdrawal' symptom severity during
    induction (if you can't get the Atkins brand, read labels to find a
    multivitamin that is close to what is listed in the book such as Centrum).
    Drink at least 2 litres of water throughout the day, and try and have
    something low carb and easy to prepare on hand for if you get 'the
    munchies'. Tinned/pouch tuna or salmon to add to a quick & easy salad with
    some mayo, boiled eggs, sliced cooked meats (leftovers from dinner are
    great!), celery sticks, sliced or cubed cheese, pork rinds with sour cream
    to dip, cheese 'crisps' made by microwaving or baking small piles of grated
    cheese until crispy, diet jello, diet soda, and a low carb protein shake
    mix.
    Make sure you eat your vegies so you don't miss out on the fibre.... finely
    ground psyllium husks mixed with orange diet soda is a great carb free
    alternative to Metamucil if lack of fibre is ...ahem... a problem 🙂
    At restaurants, look for meals that are mainly protein with a side serve of
    non starchy veg or a green salad, avoiding anything coated in breadcrumbs or
    batter. Most restaurant sauces for meat are Low Carb friendly and quite
    tasty (such as bearnaise or hollandaise). Beware of grilled fish, as they
    often coat the fillets with wheat flour before cooking to seal the juices
    in. Ceasar salads without the croutons are also good, as are breakfast
    grills (bacon, eggs, sausage & grilled tomato or mushrooms) just ask them to
    hold the toast. Charcoal roasted chicken with tossed salad is an easy family
    meal when looking for something a bit cheaper, and any left over chicken is
    handy to have in the fridge... so basically, anything that is based on meat,
    fowl, fish or eggs with no starchy veg, grains or added sugar will keep you
    out of trouble 🙂

  9. Thank you so much, Saffire! This was a deeply helpful post! I especially
    love the "splenda, cream cheese and cocoa powder" idea! I can't wait to see
    your updated pictures when you reach your goal (just 2 lbs away now). Your
    pictures were a true inspiration to me! Keep up the great work!

    I discovered last night that the advantage bars also help a lot with the
    whole feeling of not feeling satisfied. I ate the peanut chocolate one last
    night with a cup of mint herbal tea, and couldn't believe how wonderful it
    tasted and left me feeling! It got me right over that majorly difficult
    moment! Your cocoa concoction should do wonders as well! I plan to try
    that one for the next craving...

    MO3

    "Saffire" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I am new to the group.

    Hi MO3, welcome to the group!

    Quoted message said:

    I have just begun atkins yesterday (first day
    of induction). I am hoping to gain some control over my weight and
    energy
    level thru this new WOE.

    Congratulations on making a WISE choice! Keep in mind that during the
    first week or so you may experience a LACK of energy as your body
    adjusts to burning fat for fuel instead of carbs. Then one day you will
    probably experience a sudden burst of energy that's almost like a HIGH!

    Quoted message said:

    I am looking for a way to gain a
    more permenant feeling of control, and to get the weight off completely
    and
    permenantly.

    I have been doing this for over 2 years and plan to continue doing it
    for the rest of my life, at least for as long as *I* have control over
    what I eat. I do this not only to lose weight, but to feel better. The
    feeling better part is MUCH more motivating to me than the losing weight
    part (or I wouldn't have let myself gain so much in the first place) --
    besides, I lose very slowly. Once you get a good handle on low-carb
    eating and develop better habits, you are much more likely to stick with
    it for the long term. Do NOT go into this thinking you will go back to
    eating the "normal" way once you lose the weight -- that's a sure recipe
    for regain.

    Quoted message said:

    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any ideas at
    all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings of not being
    satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this list.

    I post a long list of tips each Sunday. You can find it now by Googling
    "Saffire's Weekly Low-Carb Tips". Off the top of my head, though, my
    very first recommendation would be to cook up a mess of hard-boiled eggs
    and keep them handy in the fridge so that when you open the door, you
    have that quick choice. It will help stave off hunger AND it's
    nutritious (plus you'll feel righteous about it :-). I just had one a
    little while ago, not so much because I was hungry, but because I wanted
    to eat something so I could take some Ibuprofen. Eggs are VERY
    versatile and nutritious. If you crave crunchy/salty, pork rinds are
    good (make sure you have water handy, though, because they are very
    drying on the tongue). If you crave sweet, mix some Splenda with some
    cream cheese and maybe a little flavoring of some kind (cocoa powder is
    good). This was a real lifesaver for me during the first couple of
    weeks. I could go into the fridge and swipe a dollop of it when I
    wanted something sweet, and be satisified with THAT. Sugar-free jello
    is good, too. If you want to avoid Aspartame (aka Nutrisweet/Equal),
    which make contribute to cravings, you can make your own out of 2
    packets of gelatine, 4 quarts of water (two of them icy cold, 2 of them
    boiling hot), Splenda and unsweetened Kool-Aid.

    For the first couple of days, your body will be fairly SCREAMING for
    more carbs, so a great deal of willpower is involved. By the 3rd (or
    possibly 4th) day, however, you should notice a distinct decrease in
    these cravings, making it MUCH easier to plan and make better choices.
    That's the beauty of low-carb -- it makes it MUCH easier to break free
    from that vicious cycle of craving carbs, resulting in you eating carbs,
    resulting in you craving even MORE carbs. I swear, between feeling
    better and being able to control your appetite for carbs, it's like
    finding religion :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts (what
    to
    look for and aim for being still on the induction phase). My husband has
    his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning some outings with the
    kids. I really want to stay with the program thruout his vacation.
    Thanks
    for your insight and responses.

    I seldom eat at restaurants, but as long as you stick to protein, fat
    and veggies and avoid sugar, you should be fine. Avoid low-fat
    dressings -- they often contain a lot of sugar. Ranch, Italian, blue
    cheese, or just oil & vinegar usually works well. Avoid fries at all
    costs :-) If they include rice or potatoes with your meal, ask them to
    substitute low-carb veggies (zucchini seems to be a favorite of
    restaurants) -- most places are very accommodating about this. If they
    insist, just don't eat that part. Don't be afraid to ask for more
    butter or any other allowed condiment if that's what you want. Avoid
    omelets, though, as many people find that restaurants tend to add carby
    fillers and sometimes sugar to them.

    Remember, if WE can do it, so can YOU! For more inspiration, check out
    people's progress photos (usually in the sig if they have one). I need
    to update mine, but I'm only 2 lbs from goal, so I'm now waiting until I
    reach it before updating -- I now weigh about 15 lbs less than the
    current one that's up. I NEVER thought I would get to this weight again
    -- I truly think Atkins has saved my LIFE.

    --
    Saffire
    205/127/125
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

    *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
    in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

  10. "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's not the Atkins web site. Try www.atkins.com then the "How to
    Do Atkins" button.


    This didn't show me a food list. That is why I found the other site. I may
    have just missed it, but all I could find is a sample menu for the two weeks
    on the atkins site.

  11. "Mommyof3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's not the Atkins web site. Try www.atkins.com then the "How to
    Do Atkins" button.


    This didn't show me a food list. That is why I found the other site. I
    may have just missed it, but all I could find is a sample menu for the two
    weeks on the atkins site.


    OK, I just found it on the atkins.com site. It was identical to the one on
    the site I listed (word for word). Phew, I was afraid I may be following a
    list that was inaccurate. I have figured out my way around the atkins site
    better now. I appreciate your post. I should have the book by tomorrow (if
    it arrives when I planned on). I am anxious to study it closely.

    MO3

  12. Mommyof3 said:


    I should have the book by tomorrow (if
    it arrives when I planned on). I am anxious to study it closely.

    Resist the temptation to search for quotes that justify
    whatever your current stance happens to be (equals "don't
    lose the forrest for the trees"😉. Lots of folks do it.
    Read the table of contents to get a genreal perspective
    and try to keep that prespective throughout. The fact
    is Dr A's writing skills weren't up to his clinical
    skills so there are confusing parts in the book (check
    back with the newsgroup and see the many interpretations
    on any of the confusing parts) and he does discuss just
    about any option you care to come up with in such a way
    that folks pull quotes out of the book to justify their
    stance.

    Anyways, take your time over what "study it closely"
    means. The book has excellent general ideas as well as
    some confusing points. Study it closely enough and
    you can easily get lost in the confusing parts. In
    general read the part from the beginning to the start
    of the recipes like it is a college textbook (complete
    with the standard fallibity of details of a college
    textbook). Then from the start of the recipes to the
    end skim it for ideas - The person who wrote the
    recipes does not appear to have known the process so
    there are abundant mistakes in various recipes.

    Atkins is as simple or complex as you make it, so
    try to make it simple like the table of contents not
    complex like looking through the confusing parts.
    Atkins uses carb count, glycemic load and ketosis as
    a tool to trigger loss so don't get tempted into
    thinking lower is better. Atkins is an isolation
    system to identify food intolerances and addictive
    binge triggers so don't get tempted into using the
    carb ladder as a lock-step menu sequence. You'll
    note that I can give a consistant answer to nearly
    any Atkins question. It's not because I treated
    Atkins as complex and memorized the entire list of
    versions of the book. It's because I treated Atkins
    as simple, learned the principles, and nearly every
    question can be answered from those simple principles.

  13. "Mommyof3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you so much, Saffire! This was a deeply helpful post! I especially
    love the "splenda, cream cheese and cocoa powder" idea! I can't wait to


    see

    Quoted message said:

    your updated pictures when you reach your goal (just 2 lbs away now).


    Your

    Quoted message said:

    pictures were a true inspiration to me! Keep up the great work!

    I discovered last night that the advantage bars also help a lot with the
    whole feeling of not feeling satisfied. I ate the peanut chocolate one


    last

    Quoted message said:

    night with a cup of mint herbal tea, and couldn't believe how wonderful it

    Eat real food, stay away from those bars, especially during induction. The
    company and the diet are different things. The Atkins bars can throw you
    out of ketosis.

    --
    No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you so much, Saffire! This was a deeply helpful post!

    You're welcome!

    Quoted message said:

    I especially
    love the "splenda, cream cheese and cocoa powder" idea!

    I picked up the idea here in ASDLC when I first started Atkins, so I
    can't take credit for it.

    Quoted message said:

    I can't wait to see
    your updated pictures when you reach your goal (just 2 lbs away now). Your
    pictures were a true inspiration to me! Keep up the great work!

    Glad to help -- I like to think of it as "paying it forward" :-) I was
    VERY inspired by photos of others here who had lost weight on low-carb,
    so if I can help someone ELSE make the leap by putting up photos of my
    own progress, well, then it's a downright DUTY, isn't it? After all, I
    might not have taken the leap myself if I hadn't seen them. It was hard
    to post them at first because I was so embarrassed by my weight gain,
    even among others who were going through the same thing; however, if
    THEY were brave enough to do it, then *I* could do it too. Now that
    I've lost most of the weight, it's a LOT easier to be brave about
    posting photos :-)

    --
    Saffire
    205/127/125
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

    *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
    in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

  15. Gota love the NG Spelling Police....

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    First of all, it's spelled "restaurants".

    Next, eating in restaurants is how you got fat in the first place.

    And lastly, spending more time cleaning your house will help take your
    mind off of eating.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Mommyof3" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    I am new to the group. I have just begun atkins yesterday (first day
    of induction). I am hoping to gain some control over my weight and
    energy level thru this new WOE. A couple of years back, I had lost a
    considerable amount of weight just by reducing intake and exercising. I
    have since gained all back and then some. I am 38 years old, 5' 6" tall,
    and just hit 305 lbs (absolutely scarey!!!!!!!!!!). I am looking for a
    way to gain a more permenant feeling of control, and to get the weight
    off completely and permenantly.
    This is my day two of induction, and I would appreciate any ideas at
    all on things to eat to help curb the cravings and feelings of not being
    satisfied. I look forward to your insight on this list.
    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts (what
    to look for and aim for being still on the induction phase). My husband
    has his vacation starting tomorrow, and we are planning some outings with
    the kids. I really want to stay with the program thruout his vacation.
    Thanks for your insight and responses.

    MO3

  16. Quoted message said:

    Also, please give me some ideas of how to order at restraunts >(what to
    look for and aim for being still on the induction phase)

    Induction at restaurants is hard. For me, it's basically anywhere I
    can get a steak, fish, or chicken with onkly vegies. For normal
    atkins, I find a meal, sometimes two, at each restaurant the family
    likes to frequent and base where I'd like to go fo dinner on whether or
    not I want that exact dish. It's easy for me to say that
    restaurant=meal. That way, I don't even look at the menu and wish I
    could eat other things. Most places are low-carb aware these days and
    happy to substitute.

    brian

  17. JC:
    Here is some correct spelling for you...
    Go away please. You have nothing to offer here but appear to get your
    jollies (or is that jolly's?) being mean to newbies. You are not a
    good example of how wonderful people feel when they low carb.
    (:
    :p

  18. No.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    JC:

    Go away please.

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