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  1. Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive ones.

    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331
    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The Terraces day unit last
    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the 'invaluable' service
    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) at
    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome and Autistic
    Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his hyperactivity,
    inability to pay attention and interaction with other children. He was also
    quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa, aged 40, grew
    increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara Walker, consultant child
    psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She met
    the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a problem," said Theresa.
    "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in another way I wasn't
    relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in ADHD: they thought it
    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's disability is in his
    head and not physical, people can't see it. People just think it's bad
    behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on Ritalin which
    helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we could. Our main
    aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy petty officer
    caterer, had begun noticing more problems, such as facial expressions, eye
    movements and vocal tics. After further assessment, Jordan was diagnosed
    with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different medication. But
    his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end Theresa kept him at home
    for a week to reassess his drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very, very unruly and
    depressed," she said. "He was spending most of his day outside the
    classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his behaviour immediately
    settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was recognised as
    needing teaching support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The Risperdal wasn't
    enough on its own to get him through the day. He was getting louder and more
    active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the Risperdal as well, to
    help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not eased, so it was suggested
    to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The Terraces. Their initial
    reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of sending their son
    there scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school, is he going to go
    back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream schooling. We don't
    expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to be given the
    opportunity of a good mainstream education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as best they could,
    until the subject of The Terraces was broached again by Dr Walker at the end
    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before Christmas
    Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at the end of the
    assessment period they had a meeting with Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic Spectrum
    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had ADHD,
    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But the
    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the jigsaw.
    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and he
    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school in his last year
    but, having been there, you can't praise them enough. The work they have
    done will make such an important mark on him, and at such an important stage
    in his schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions, and
    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but we
    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna. We
    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them as
    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out in public with
    people looking and staring and not understanding, and as Jordan's getting
    older, he's noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every six months, but
    are able to see her and her team if and when problems arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how things are going to
    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS service will be
    there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a job: they're doing
    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."

  2. It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to have found a
    place where people really care
    and want to help them and their son.

    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever intentionally seeks to do
    harm to another person when it come to helping them with their health
    issues. The problem is the options that both traditional and holistic health
    practitioners perceive as being available to them. We all understand that a
    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies without possibly hurting
    those bodies over time. If there was some more natural way to help this boy
    medically, while still giving him the caring support that The Terrace has
    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by showing that some
    natural ways can enhance the traditional practice of medicine and I teach
    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time to heal.

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive ones.


    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The Terraces day unit


    last

    Quoted message said:

    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the 'invaluable'


    service

    Quoted message said:

    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)


    at

    Quoted message said:

    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome and Autistic
    Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his hyperactivity,
    inability to pay attention and interaction with other children. He was


    also

    Quoted message said:

    quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa, aged 40, grew
    increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara Walker, consultant child
    psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She met
    the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a problem," said


    Theresa.

    Quoted message said:

    "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in another way I


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:

    relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in ADHD: they thought


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's disability is in


    his

    Quoted message said:

    head and not physical, people can't see it. People just think it's bad
    behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on Ritalin which
    helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we could. Our main
    aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy petty officer
    caterer, had begun noticing more problems, such as facial expressions, eye
    movements and vocal tics. After further assessment, Jordan was diagnosed
    with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different medication.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end Theresa kept him at


    home

    Quoted message said:

    for a week to reassess his drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very, very unruly and
    depressed," she said. "He was spending most of his day outside the
    classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his behaviour


    immediately

    Quoted message said:

    settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was recognised as
    needing teaching support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The Risperdal wasn't
    enough on its own to get him through the day. He was getting louder and


    more

    Quoted message said:

    active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the Risperdal as well,


    to

    Quoted message said:

    help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not eased, so it was


    suggested

    Quoted message said:

    to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The Terraces. Their initial
    reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of sending their son
    there scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school, is he going to


    go

    Quoted message said:

    back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream schooling. We don't
    expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to be given the
    opportunity of a good mainstream education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as best they could,
    until the subject of The Terraces was broached again by Dr Walker at the


    end

    Quoted message said:

    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before Christmas
    Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at the end of the
    assessment period they had a meeting with Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic Spectrum
    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had ADHD,
    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and he
    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school in his last


    year

    Quoted message said:

    but, having been there, you can't praise them enough. The work they have
    done will make such an important mark on him, and at such an important


    stage

    Quoted message said:

    in his schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions, and
    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but we
    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna. We
    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out in public with
    people looking and staring and not understanding, and as Jordan's getting
    older, he's noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every six months, but
    are able to see her and her team if and when problems arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how things are going


    to

    Quoted message said:

    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS service will be
    there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a job: they're


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."

  3. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to have found a
    place where people really care
    and want to help them and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due to ignorance.

    Quoted message said:

    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever intentionally seeks to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    harm to another person when it come to helping them with their health
    issues. The problem is the options that both traditional and holistic


    health

    Quoted message said:

    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who know what they are
    selling is useless, but, do it for the money.

    We all understand that a

    Quoted message said:

    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies without possibly


    hurting

    Quoted message said:

    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been used over 40
    years, and the number of patients are in the millions, these deleterious
    effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us to
    study those effects further. However, there is no evidence that they exist.

    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

    Quoted message said:

    medically, while still giving him the caring support that The Terrace has
    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to provide what he is
    receiving.

    Quoted message said:

    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by showing that some
    natural ways can enhance the traditional practice of medicine and I teach
    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:




    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The Terraces day unit


    last

    Quoted message said:

    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the 'invaluable'


    service

    Quoted message said:

    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome and Autistic
    Spectrum Disorder.

    Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his


    hyperactivity,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    inability to pay attention and interaction with other children. He was


    also

    Quoted message said:

    quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech problems.

    As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa, aged 40, grew
    increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara Walker, consultant child
    psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She


    met

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.

    "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a problem," said


    Theresa.

    Quoted message said:

    "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in another way I


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:

    relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in ADHD: they thought


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's disability is in


    his

    Quoted message said:

    head and not physical, people can't see it. People just think it's bad
    behaviour."

    Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on Ritalin which
    helped him get through the school day.

    Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we could. Our


    main

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."

    By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy petty officer
    caterer, had begun noticing more problems, such as facial expressions,


    eye

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    movements and vocal tics. After further assessment, Jordan was diagnosed
    with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different medication.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end Theresa kept him at


    home

    Quoted message said:

    for a week to reassess his drug regime.

    "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very, very unruly and
    depressed," she said. "He was spending most of his day outside the
    classroom."

    Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his behaviour


    immediately

    Quoted message said:

    settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was recognised as
    needing teaching support in class.

    When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The Risperdal


    wasn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    enough on its own to get him through the day. He was getting louder and


    more

    Quoted message said:

    active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up with him."

    He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the Risperdal as well,


    to

    Quoted message said:

    help him shut down at night.

    But by last summer the problems in school had not eased, so it was


    suggested

    Quoted message said:

    to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The Terraces. Their


    initial

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of sending their son
    there scared them.

    Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school, is he going to


    go

    Quoted message said:

    back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream schooling. We don't
    expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to be given the
    opportunity of a good mainstream education."

    The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as best they


    could,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    until the subject of The Terraces was broached again by Dr Walker at the


    end

    Quoted message said:

    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before Christmas
    Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at the end of the
    assessment period they had a meeting with Dr Walker.

    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic Spectrum
    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had ADHD,
    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and he
    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school in his last


    year

    Quoted message said:

    but, having been there, you can't praise them enough. The work they have
    done will make such an important mark on him, and at such an important


    stage

    Quoted message said:

    in his schooling."

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna. We
    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out in public with
    people looking and staring and not understanding, and as Jordan's


    getting

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    older, he's noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every six months,


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are able to see her and her team if and when problems arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how things are going


    to

    Quoted message said:

    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS service will be
    there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a job: they're


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."

  4. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to have found


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    place where people really care
    and want to help them and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due to ignorance.

    Quoted message said:

    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever intentionally seeks


    to

    Quoted message said:

    do

    Quoted message said:

    harm to another person when it come to helping them with their health
    issues. The problem is the options that both traditional and holistic


    health

    Quoted message said:

    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who know what they are
    selling is useless, but, do it for the money.

    We all understand that a

    Quoted message said:

    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies without possibly


    hurting

    Quoted message said:

    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been used over 40
    years, and the number of patients are in the millions, these deleterious
    effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us to
    study those effects further. However, there is no evidence that they


    exist.

    From: http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html#Head_1

    Adverse Effects

    Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse reactions reported with
    methylphenidate but are usually controlled by reducing dosage and omitting
    the drug in the afternoon or evening. Decreased appetite is also common but
    usually transient.

    Central and Peripheral Nervous System:

    Dizziness, drowsiness, headache, and dyskinesia may occur. Isolated cases of
    the following have been reported: hyperactivity, convulsions, muscle cramps,
    choreo-athetoid movements, tics, or exacerbation of pre-existing tics,
    Tourette's syndrome, and psychotic episodes including hallucinations which
    subsided when methylphenidate was discontinued. Psychic dependence in
    emotionally unstable persons has occurred rarely with chronic treatment.
    Although a definite causal relationship has not been established, isolated
    cases of transient depressed mood have been reported.

    Symptoms of visual disturbances have been encountered in rare cases.
    Difficulties with accommodation and blurring of vision have been reported.

    Gastrointestinal:

    Nausea and abdominal pain may occur at the start of treatment and may be
    alleviated if taken with food.

    Cardiovascular:

    Palpitations, blood pressure and pulse changes (both up and down),
    tachycardia, angina and cardiac arrhythmias.

    Skin and/or Hypersensitivity:

    Rash, pruritus, urticaria, fever, arthralgia, and alopecia. Isolated cases
    of exfoliative dermatitis, erythema multiforme with histopathological
    findings of necrotizing vasculitis, and thrombocytopenic purpura.

    Hematologic:

    Isolated cases of leukopenia, thrombocytopenia and anemia.

    Other:

    Weight loss during prolonged therapy.

    In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight loss during prolonged
    therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may occur more frequently; however, any
    of the other adverse reactions listed above may also occur. Minor
    retardation of growth may also occur during prolonged therapy in children
    (see Warnings).

    Even if in isolated cases these cautions do not tell a very positive story.
    The greatest consideration in my mind is this:
    where does this medication lead? A cure? Is there any hope of ever getting
    off of it? What kind of future are "we"
    offering to this young boy?

    Quoted message said:

    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

    Quoted message said:

    medically, while still giving him the caring support that The Terrace


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to provide what he is
    receiving.

    Quoted message said:

    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by showing that some
    natural ways can enhance the traditional practice of medicine and I


    teach

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:





    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    How care unit helped these parents in distress

    Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The Terraces day


    unit

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    last

    Quoted message said:

    year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the 'invaluable'


    service

    Quoted message said:

    it provides.

    Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:

    four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome and


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    Spectrum Disorder.

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    met

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    the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.

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    expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to be given the
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    of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before Christmas
    Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.

    The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at the end of the
    assessment period they had a meeting with Dr Walker.

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    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had


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    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

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    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and


    he

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    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

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    done will make such an important mark on him, and at such an important


    stage

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    in his schooling."

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    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna.


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    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use


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    an excuse for bad behaviour.

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    people looking and staring and not understanding, and as Jordan's


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    older, he's noticing it more himself."

    Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every six months,


    but

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    are able to see her and her team if and when problems arise.

    Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how things are


    going

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    to

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    change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS service will


    be

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    there right through secondary school.

    "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a job: they're


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    it because they want to and because they care.

    "The unit is there for any help and support you need."

  5. "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to have


    found

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    a

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    place where people really care
    and want to help them and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due to ignorance.

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    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever intentionally seeks


    to

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    do

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    harm to another person when it come to helping them with their health
    issues. The problem is the options that both traditional and holistic


    health

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    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who know what they are
    selling is useless, but, do it for the money.

    We all understand that a

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    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies without possibly


    hurting

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    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been used over


    40

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    years, and the number of patients are in the millions, these deleterious
    effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us to
    study those effects further. However, there is no evidence that they


    exist.

    From: http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html#Head_1

    Merely regurgitation adverse effects that have never actually been proven to
    be caused by the medication is and utterly useless exercise in cutting and
    pasting, and is not responsive to the point I made. If a patient is
    experiencing these to the point where they complain to a doctor, then the
    doctor wil change the medication. This is NOT a long term effect. See the
    emphasis I added for clarification.

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence of any long term
    effect from the medication. If there were, with the millions of people
    taking the medication, it would have shown up to some extent by now.
    Worrying about it is, IMNSHO, akin to worrying about the sun going nova in a
    few billion years.

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    Adverse Effects

    Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse reactions reported


    with

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    methylphenidate but are usually controlled by reducing dosage and omitting
    the drug in the afternoon or evening. Decreased appetite is also common


    but

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    usually *transient*.

    Central and Peripheral Nervous System:

    Dizziness, drowsiness, headache, and dyskinesia may occur. Isolated cases


    of

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    the following have been reported: hyperactivity, convulsions, muscle


    cramps,

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    choreo-athetoid movements, tics, or exacerbation of pre-existing tics,
    Tourette's syndrome, and psychotic episodes including hallucinations which
    subsided when methylphenidate was discontinued. Psychic dependence in
    emotionally unstable persons has occurred rarely with chronic treatment.
    Although a *definite causal relationship has not been established*,


    isolated

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    cases of transient depressed mood have been reported.

    Symptoms of visual disturbances have been encountered in *rare cases*.
    Difficulties with accommodation and blurring of vision have been


    *reported*.

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    Gastrointestinal:

    *Nausea and abdominal pain may occur at the start of treatment and may be
    alleviated if taken with food.*

    Cardiovascular:

    Palpitations, blood pressure and pulse changes (both up and down),
    tachycardia, angina and cardiac arrhythmias.

    Skin and/or Hypersensitivity:

    Rash, pruritus, urticaria, fever, arthralgia, and alopecia. Isolated cases
    of exfoliative dermatitis, erythema multiforme with histopathological
    findings of necrotizing vasculitis, and thrombocytopenic purpura.

    Hematologic:

    *Isolated* cases of leukopenia, thrombocytopenia and anemia.

    Other:

    *Weight loss during prolonged therapy.*

    (Disproven).

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    In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight loss during


    prolonged

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    therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may occur more frequently; however, any
    of the other adverse reactions listed above may also occur. Minor
    retardation of growth may also occur during prolonged therapy in children
    (see Warnings).

    (Evidence indicates that ADHD kids grow differently than non-ADHD kids. All
    studies show that there is a later growth surt which results in expected
    height.)

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    Even if in isolated cases these cautions do not tell a very positive


    story.

    Horse [censored].

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    The greatest consideration in my mind is this:
    where does this medication lead? A cure? Is there any hope of ever getting
    off of it? What kind of future are "we"
    offering to this young boy?

    We are offering the patient a chance to grow up, get and education, and lead
    a life that is not ruined by drug abuse and crime.

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    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

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    medically, while still giving him the caring support that The Terrace


    has

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    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to provide what he is
    receiving.

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    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by showing that some
    natural ways can enhance the traditional practice of medicine and I


    teach

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    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

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    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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    > Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive


    ones.

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    >
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    >
    > NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    > Date : 02.06.04
    >
    > How care unit helped these parents in distress
    >
    > Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The Terraces day


    unit

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    last
    > year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the 'invaluable'
    service
    > it provides.
    >
    > Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

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    at
    > four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome and


    Autistic

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    > Spectrum Disorder.
    >
    > Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his


    hyperactivity,

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    > inability to pay attention and interaction with other children. He


    was

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    also
    > quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech problems.
    >
    > As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa, aged 40,


    grew

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    > increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara Walker, consultant


    child

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    > psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital for her help.


    She

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    met

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    > the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.
    >
    > "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a problem," said
    Theresa.
    > "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in another way


    I

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    wasn't
    > relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in ADHD: they


    thought

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    it
    > was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's disability


    is

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    in

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    his
    > head and not physical, people can't see it. People just think it's


    bad

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    > behaviour."
    >
    > Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on Ritalin


    which

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    > helped him get through the school day.
    >
    > Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we could.


    Our

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    main

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    > aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."
    >
    > By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy petty


    officer

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    > caterer, had begun noticing more problems, such as facial


    expressions,

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    eye

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    > movements and vocal tics. After further assessment, Jordan was


    diagnosed

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    > with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different


    medication.

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    But
    > his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end Theresa kept him


    at

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    home
    > for a week to reassess his drug regime.
    >
    > "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very, very unruly


    and

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    > depressed," she said. "He was spending most of his day outside the
    > classroom."
    >
    > Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his behaviour
    immediately
    > settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was recognised


    as

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    > needing teaching support in class.
    >
    > When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The Risperdal


    wasn't

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    > enough on its own to get him through the day. He was getting louder


    and

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    more
    > active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up with him."
    >
    > He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the Risperdal as


    well,

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    to
    > help him shut down at night.
    >
    > But by last summer the problems in school had not eased, so it was
    suggested
    > to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The Terraces. Their


    initial

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    > reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of sending their


    son

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    > there scared them.
    >
    > Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school, is he


    going

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    to

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    go
    > back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream schooling. We


    don't

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    > expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to be given the
    > opportunity of a good mainstream education."
    >
    > The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as best they


    could,

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    > until the subject of The Terraces was broached again by Dr Walker at


    the

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    end
    > of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before


    Christmas

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    > Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.
    >
    > The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at the end of the
    > assessment period they had a meeting with Dr Walker.
    >
    > "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic


    Spectrum

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    > Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had


    ADHD,

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    > then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else.


    But

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    the
    > autism made us understand a few of his oddities."
    >
    > Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the
    jigsaw.
    > It all fits into place now.
    >
    > "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school


    and

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    he

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    > went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    > diagnosis otherwise."
    >
    > He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school in his


    last

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    year
    > but, having been there, you can't praise them enough. The work they


    have

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    > done will make such an important mark on him, and at such an


    important

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    stage
    > in his schooling."
    >
    > But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's


    conditions,

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    and

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    > say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.
    >
    > Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome,


    but

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    we

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    > still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter


    Jenna.

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    We

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    > don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use


    them

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    as
    > an excuse for bad behaviour.
    >
    > "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out in public


    with

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    > people looking and staring and not understanding, and as Jordan's


    getting

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    > older, he's noticing it more himself."
    >
    > Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every six


    months,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    but

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    > are able to see her and her team if and when problems arise.
    >
    > Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how things are


    going

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    to
    > change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS service


    will

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    be

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    Quoted message said:

    > there right through secondary school.
    >
    > "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a job:


    they're

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    doing
    > it because they want to and because they care.
    >
    > "The unit is there for any help and support you need."
    >
    >

  6. "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive ones.


    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

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    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    <SNIP>

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    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic Spectrum
    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had ADHD,
    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

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    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the


    jigsaw.

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    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and he
    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

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    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions, and
    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but we
    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna. We
    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

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    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses the relief in
    getting the right diagnosis--and at being aboe to *understand* what is
    happening....the other describes the difference between an excuse and a
    reason--and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be accountable
    for one's actions *if* they have the proper supports and education for the
    disability in question....that even with a disability, a person can function
    well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark!
    Buny

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 6/3/2004 12:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to have found


    a

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    Quoted message said:

    place where people really care
    and want to help them and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due to ignorance.

    Dave,

    You are talking to a stone wall. Here is what Mark thinks of
    anecdotes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    UNLESS IT COMES FROM HIM.

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    Anecdotes can be made up. They teach how in the P.T. Barnum School Of


    Internet Marketing, Scamming and >MLMing.

    Mark also REFUSES to acknowledge the many many side effects of Ritalin and NO
    long term studies.

    This is typical *gang* behavior who constantly agrue that it hasn't been
    proven, yet if it is their drug of choice, they close their ears.

    Mark is a Ritalin pusher. Drugging kids is A OK with him. He called me a liar
    three years ago, when I told him three years olds were on Ritalin. Now we know
    that is true and even younger.

    Anyone who thinks it is OK to give mind altering drugs to a child with an
    undeveloped brain, is BRAINWASHED.

    Jan

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    It has always been my firm belief that nobody ever intentionally seeks
    to

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    do

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    harm to another person when it come to helping them with their health
    issues. The problem is the options that both traditional and holistic


    health

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    practitioners perceive as being available to them.

    I disagree. I believe that there are those Alts who know what they are
    selling is useless, but, do it for the money.

    We all understand that a

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    drug like Ritalin is not accepted by living bodies without possibly


    hurting

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    those bodies over time.

    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been used over 40
    years, and the number of patients are in the millions, these deleterious
    effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us to
    study those effects further. However, there is no evidence that they


    exist.

    From: http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html#Head_1

    Adverse Effects

    Nervousness and insomnia are the most common adverse reactions reported with
    methylphenidate but are usually controlled by reducing dosage and omitting
    the drug in the afternoon or evening. Decreased appetite is also common but
    usually transient.

    Central and Peripheral Nervous System:

    Dizziness, drowsiness, headache, and dyskinesia may occur. Isolated cases of
    the following have been reported: hyperactivity, convulsions, muscle cramps,
    choreo-athetoid movements, tics, or exacerbation of pre-existing tics,
    Tourette's syndrome, and psychotic episodes including hallucinations which
    subsided when methylphenidate was discontinued. Psychic dependence in
    emotionally unstable persons has occurred rarely with chronic treatment.
    Although a definite causal relationship has not been established, isolated
    cases of transient depressed mood have been reported.

    Symptoms of visual disturbances have been encountered in rare cases.
    Difficulties with accommodation and blurring of vision have been reported.

    Gastrointestinal:

    Nausea and abdominal pain may occur at the start of treatment and may be
    alleviated if taken with food.

    Cardiovascular:

    Palpitations, blood pressure and pulse changes (both up and down),
    tachycardia, angina and cardiac arrhythmias.

    Skin and/or Hypersensitivity:

    Rash, pruritus, urticaria, fever, arthralgia, and alopecia. Isolated cases
    of exfoliative dermatitis, erythema multiforme with histopathological
    findings of necrotizing vasculitis, and thrombocytopenic purpura.

    Hematologic:

    Isolated cases of leukopenia, thrombocytopenia and anemia.

    Other:

    Weight loss during prolonged therapy.

    In children, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, weight loss during prolonged
    therapy, insomnia, and tachycardia may occur more frequently; however, any
    of the other adverse reactions listed above may also occur. Minor
    retardation of growth may also occur during prolonged therapy in children
    (see Warnings).

    Even if in isolated cases these cautions do not tell a very positive story.
    The greatest consideration in my mind is this:
    where does this medication lead? A cure? Is there any hope of ever getting
    off of it? What kind of future are "we"
    offering to this young boy?

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    If there was some more natural way to help this boy

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    medically, while still giving him the caring support that The Terrace


    has

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    afforded any health practitioner surely would.

    However, there have been no natural ways proven to provide what he is
    receiving.

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    It is my intention to work at bridging that void by showing that some
    natural ways can enhance the traditional practice of medicine and I


    teach

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    that traditional medicine is essential to buy the time to heal.

    Show how AD/HD can be healed.

    Quoted message said:

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:

    >
    >



    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

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    > 64&contentPK=10159189>
    >
    >
    > NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    > Date : 02.06.04
    >
    > How care unit helped these parents in distress
    >
    > Eleven-year-old Jordan Simmons spent six weeks at The Terraces day


    unit

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    last
    > year. Today his parents Theresa and Jason spoke of the 'invaluable'
    service
    > it provides.
    >
    > Jordan was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder


    (ADHD)

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    at
    > four and has since been diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome and


    Autistic

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    > Spectrum Disorder.
    >
    > Problems initially arose when he was at nursery due to his


    hyperactivity,

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    > inability to pay attention and interaction with other children. He was
    also
    > quite aggressive, due to frustration at his speech problems.
    >
    > As the time neared for him to start school, mum Theresa, aged 40, grew
    > increasingly concerned and contacted Dr Sara Walker, consultant child
    > psychiatrist at The Terraces at Mount Gould Hospital for her help. She


    met

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    > the family, from Goosewell, and Jordan was diagnosed with ADHD.
    >
    > "I felt relieved in a way because I knew there was a problem," said
    Theresa.
    > "I knew it wasn't just ordinary hyperactiveness. But in another way I
    wasn't
    > relieved. Back then a lot of people didn't believe in ADHD: they


    thought

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    it
    > was a label to cover up bad parenting. Because Jordan's disability is


    in

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    his
    > head and not physical, people can't see it. People just think it's bad
    > behaviour."
    >
    > Jordan started at Goosewell Primary School and was put on Ritalin


    which

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    > helped him get through the school day.
    >
    > Theresa added: "The rest of the time we managed as best we could. Our


    main

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    > aim was to keep him in a mainstream school."
    >
    > By the time Jordan was seven, Theresa and Jason, a navy petty officer
    > caterer, had begun noticing more problems, such as facial expressions,


    eye

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    > movements and vocal tics. After further assessment, Jordan was


    diagnosed

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    > with Tourette's, taken off the Ritalin and put on different


    medication.

    Quoted message said:
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    But
    > his behaviour in school grew worse, and in the end Theresa kept him at
    home
    > for a week to reassess his drug regime.
    >
    > "Things crashed quite badly in school. He became very, very unruly and
    > depressed," she said. "He was spending most of his day outside the
    > classroom."
    >
    > Jordan's medication was changed to Risperdal, and his behaviour
    immediately
    > settled down. He was then 'statemented', meaning he was recognised as
    > needing teaching support in class.
    >
    > When Jordan was 10, however, things got worse again. "The Risperdal


    wasn't

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    > enough on its own to get him through the day. He was getting louder


    and

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    more
    > active at home and I was finding it hard to keep up with him."
    >
    > He was put back on the Ritalin again, and kept on the Risperdal as


    well,

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    to
    > help him shut down at night.
    >
    > But by last summer the problems in school had not eased, so it was
    suggested
    > to Theresa and Jason that Jordan spend time at The Terraces. Their


    initial

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    > reaction was to say no, and they admit the thought of sending their


    son

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    > there scared them.
    >
    > Theresa said: "We thought, 'If we take him out of school, is he going


    to

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    go
    > back in? Our target was to keep Jordan in mainstream schooling. We


    don't

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    > expect him to be top of the class, we just want him to be given the
    > opportunity of a good mainstream education."
    >
    > The family plodded on, coping with Jordan's behaviour as best they


    could,

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    > until the subject of The Terraces was broached again by Dr Walker at


    the

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    end
    > of last year. This time Theresa and Jason agreed, and before Christmas
    > Jordan went to the unit every day for six weeks to be assessed.
    >
    > The couple were given weekly progress reports, and at the end of the
    > assessment period they had a meeting with Dr Walker.
    >
    > "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic


    Spectrum

    Quoted message said:
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    > Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had


    ADHD,

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    > then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else.


    But

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    the
    > autism made us understand a few of his oddities."
    >
    > Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the
    jigsaw.
    > It all fits into place now.
    >
    > "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and


    he

    Quoted message said:
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    > went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    > diagnosis otherwise."
    >
    > He added: "I didn't want to take him out of primary school in his last
    year
    > but, having been there, you can't praise them enough. The work they


    have

    Quoted message said:
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    > done will make such an important mark on him, and at such an important
    stage
    > in his schooling."
    >
    > But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions,


    and

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    > say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.
    >
    > Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but


    we

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    > still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna.


    We

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    > don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use


    them

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    as
    > an excuse for bad behaviour.
    >
    > "But at the same time it's sometimes hard when you're out in public


    with

    Quoted message said:
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    > people looking and staring and not understanding, and as Jordan's


    getting

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    > older, he's noticing it more himself."
    >
    > Now Jordan and his parents only see Dr Walker about every six months,


    but

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    > are able to see her and her team if and when problems arise.
    >
    > Theresa said: "The battle is not won. We don't know how things are


    going

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    to
    > change as he goes through puberty, but we know the CAMHS service will


    be

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    > there right through secondary school.
    >
    > "The whole unit is so approachable. It's more than just a job: they're
    doing
    > it because they want to and because they care.
    >
    > "The unit is there for any help and support you need."
    >
    >

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: "Sumbuny" [email hidden]
    Date: 6/3/2004 1:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <hEMvc.2104$ye1.2018@lakeread05>

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive ones.


    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:

    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic Spectrum
    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had ADHD,
    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the


    jigsaw.

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    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and he
    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions, and
    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but we
    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna. We
    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses the relief in
    getting the right diagnosis--and at being aboe to *understand* what is
    happening....the other describes the difference between an excuse and a
    reason--and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be accountable
    for one's actions *if* they have the proper supports and education for the
    disability in question....that even with a disability, a person can function
    well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark!
    Buny

    Here is what Mark denies.

    http://www.resultsproject.net/Cocaine_Ritalin_Connection.html

    http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/03/08/25.html

    Rampant Misdiagnosis

    http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/living/health/7852459.htm

    http://groups.msn.com/psychbusters

    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct051600.htm

    http://www.add-adhd.org/ritalin.html

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,949150,00.html

    http://www.cultureshocktv.com/internews/2002/aug27200248932.shtml

    http://www.familyeducation.com/article/0,1120,23-10318-0-2,00.html

    http://www.drug-rehabs.org/faqs/FAQ-ritalin.php

    http://i2i.org/article.aspx?ID=325

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/31/health/main326478.shtml

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0205/p14s01-stss.html

    http://www.healthysource.com/ritalin.html

    http://borntoexplore.org/unschool/ritalin.htm

    http://www.cchr.org/art/eng/page48.htm

    Jan

  9. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 6/3/2004 3:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Here is what Mark denies.

    here is what Janster denies:

    she knows nothing except that which she cuts and pastes from her search
    engine..and most of that she has not a clue what it means..

    often she posts sites that contradict whatever craziness she is arguing..

    sad that...

    Jan needs to stay with the sandbox set...at least with 3 year olds she had an
    edge

    sad that

    hawki.....

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 6/3/2004 2:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Mark also REFUSES to acknowledge the many many side effects of Ritalin and NO
    long term studies.

    translation: Jan refuses to acknowledge that a med that has been in use for 4
    decades is a study within itself....unless in her book 40 years is not long
    enough...

    cue Jan to cut and paste and repost her long list of sites that she never reads

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    Anyone who thinks it is OK to give mind altering drugs to a child with an
    undeveloped brain, is BRAINWASHED.

    Jan

    Jan also refuses to acknowledge that non high school grads like her have no
    business telling the intelligent what SHE thinks..

    who gives a [censored]??

    lastly...Janster obviously has never had to raise a kid with ADHD...or she
    would be singing a different tune..

    sorta like "bring on the Elavil and Neurontin"...evils of EOM

    sad that Janster

    Jan also thinks she may be fooling some of us into thinking that repetition of
    info makes believers of us

    might work for pre schoolers...doesn't work for those of us "in the field"

    hawki.....

  11. "Sumbuny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:hEMvc.2104$ye1.2018@lakeread05...

    Quoted message said:


    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:




    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=1331

    Quoted message said:
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    64&contentPK=10159189>

    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic Spectrum
    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had ADHD,
    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and he
    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna. We
    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use them


    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses the relief in
    getting the right diagnosis--and at being aboe to *understand* what is
    happening....the other describes the difference between an excuse and a
    reason--and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be accountable
    for one's actions *if* they have the proper supports and education for the
    disability in question....that even with a disability, a person can


    function

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    well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark!

    Welcome, Buny, and I agree that those are excellent points made by the
    article.

  12. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: "Sumbuny" [email hidden]
    Date: 6/3/2004 1:28 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <hEMvc.2104$ye1.2018@lakeread05>

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since Jan Drew only posts negative stories, I wil post only positive


    ones.

    Quoted message said:
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    <http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?command=newPage&nodeId=133


    1

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    NOT A MAGIC WAND, BUT THE NEXT BEST THING...
    Date : 02.06.04

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:


    "They had noticed things about Jordan, and said he had Autistic


    Spectrum

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Disorder," Theresa said. "That knocked us sideways. He already had


    ADHD,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    then Tourette's Syndrome, and then we were hit with something else. But


    the

    Quoted message said:

    autism made us understand a few of his oddities."

    Jason added: "As he's getting older, it's like missing pieces of the


    jigsaw.

    Quoted message said:

    It all fits into place now.

    "Although it was a shock, we're so glad it got that bad at school and


    he

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    went to the unit. We don't know if he would ever have got the autism
    diagnosis otherwise."

    <SNIP>

    Quoted message said:

    But Theresa and Jason are keen not to hide behind Jordan's conditions,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    say they still treat him like any other 11-year-old.

    Theresa said: "Yes, he's got ADHD, Autism and Tourette's Syndrome, but


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still apply the same rules as we did with our teenage daughter Jenna.


    We

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't use the titles to our advantage, neither do we let Jordan use


    them

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    an excuse for bad behaviour.

    These are my two favorite passages here....one discusses the relief in
    getting the right diagnosis--and at being aboe to *understand* what is
    happening....the other describes the difference between an excuse and a
    reason--and reaffirms that even with a disability, one can be accountable
    for one's actions *if* they have the proper supports and education for


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    disability in question....that even with a disability, a person can


    function

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well in "the real world".

    Thanks for sharing this, Mark!
    Buny

    Here is what Mark denies.

    Jan posts URLs that support anti-psychiatry and the Kriminal Kult of
    $cientology which denies Jesus.

    And, as usual, she adds her bankrupt ideas to an intelligent discussion.

    Predictable. Sad that.

  13. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 6/3/2004 3:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Here is what Mark denies.

    here is what Janster denies:

    she knows nothing except that which she cuts and pastes from her search
    engine..and most of that she has not a clue what it means..

    often she posts sites that contradict whatever craziness she is arguing..

    What is truly amazingly hypocritical of Jan Drew is that she aims her
    bigotry against Jews and atheists who disagree with her in spite of the fact
    that neither Judaism or atheism is inimicable to Christianity.

    However, since she agrees with the opinions of the Kriminal Kult of
    $cientology, she supports them, in spite of the fact that they deny Jesus,
    and, if you understand them correctly, they are also inimicable to
    Chrsitianity.

    I sure hope that she wills her brain to science, as her wiring has got to be
    unique.

  14. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Positive Story
    From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
    Date: 6/3/2004 12:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 2, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > It is always nice to hear a story of people who are happy to have


    found

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:

    > place where people really care
    > and want to help them and their son.

    Sadly, these stories are few and far between, mainly due to ignorance.

    Dave,

    You are talking to a stone wall. Here is what Mark thinks of
    anecdotes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    UNLESS IT COMES FROM HIM.

    Wrong. I dislike anecdotal proof when it is used to take one instance and
    prove a generality.

    Quoted message said:
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    Anecdotes can be made up. They teach how in the P.T. Barnum School Of


    Internet Marketing, Scamming and >MLMing.

    You did not think that was a clever line? I did.

    Quoted message said:

    Mark also REFUSES to acknowledge the many many side effects of Ritalin and


    NO

    Quoted message said:

    long term studies.

    I acknowledge that methylphenidate has numerous side effects *reported*, but
    few proven. And, although there is a dearth of long term studies, the fact
    remains that with so many people taking the medication over the past 40
    years, one would think that some form of long term effect would be shoing up
    by now. The *absence* of any specific information is, contrary to your
    beliefs, information.

    Quoted message said:

    This is typical *gang* behavior who constantly agrue that it hasn't been
    proven, yet if it is their drug of choice, they close their ears.

    Nope. It is typical of what comes from The Truth Squad, i.e. reasoned
    thought.

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    Mark is a Ritalin pusher. Drugging kids is A OK with him.

    Wrong. Properly medicating kids after proper diagnosis is what I "push."
    When you say the above, you are a liar.

    He called me a liar

    Quoted message said:

    three years ago, when I told him three years olds were on Ritalin. Now we


    know

    Quoted message said:

    that is true and even younger.

    The kids who are now three years old were just born three years ago, and no
    one was giving them MPH at the time. We were vaccinating them, instead.

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone who thinks it is OK to give mind altering drugs to a child with an
    undeveloped brain, is BRAINWASHED.

    Nope. A person who hates children, denies real disorders, refuses to
    properly treat them, and wants them to have wasted lives is a CHILD ABUSER.

  15. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been used over


    40

    Quoted message said:
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    years, and the number of patients are in the millions, these deleterious
    effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us to
    study those effects further. However, there is no evidence that they


    exist.

    From: http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html#Head_1

    Merely regurgitation adverse effects that have never actually been proven to
    be caused by the medication is and utterly useless exercise in cutting and
    pasting, and is not responsive to the point I made. If a patient is
    experiencing these to the point where they complain to a doctor, then the
    doctor wil change the medication. This is NOT a long term effect. See the
    emphasis I added for clarification.

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence of any long term
    effect from the medication. If there were, with the millions of people
    taking the medication, it would have shown up to some extent by now.
    Worrying about it is, IMNSHO, akin to worrying about the sun going nova in a
    few billion years.

    This is exactly the line that we were given by doctors about SSRIs.
    People, who were being ignored by their doctors, with their
    unflintching beliefs in this "miracle" drugs were being ignored while
    often getting worse. Thank goodness that SSRIs have finally been
    proven to cause harm.

    I remember the hell I went through with Paxil, all the while, my
    doctor only wanted to raise my dossage. He never understood that I
    wasn't even depressed until I started the drug. Leave it up to a
    doctor to think a teenage girl having trouble concentrating and
    excessively tired (i was anemic) MUST need anti-depressants.

    I for one, don't believe doctors actually listen to the majority of
    their patients... And while I have taken ritalin and an SSRI, I would
    never put my own child on it unless he or she WANTED to be on it. I
    know how horrible these drugs can make you feel and I wouldn't force
    my worse enemy on it. All of this needs to be taken with a grain of
    salt.

    -i

  16. "wossoyi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > No, we all do not understand that at all. Since MPH has been used


    over

    Quoted message said:
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    40

    Quoted message said:

    > years, and the number of patients are in the millions, these


    deleterious

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > effects should have shown up in sufficient numbers by now to lead us


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > study those effects further. However, there is no evidence that they
    exist.

    From: http://www.mentalhealth.com/drug/p30-r03.html#Head_1

    Merely regurgitation adverse effects that have never actually been


    proven to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be caused by the medication is and utterly useless exercise in cutting


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    pasting, and is not responsive to the point I made. If a patient is
    experiencing these to the point where they complain to a doctor, then


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    doctor wil change the medication. This is NOT a long term effect. See


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    emphasis I added for clarification.

    The simple fact is that there is NO clear cut evidence of any long term
    effect from the medication. If there were, with the millions of people
    taking the medication, it would have shown up to some extent by now.
    Worrying about it is, IMNSHO, akin to worrying about the sun going nova


    in a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    few billion years.

    This is exactly the line that we were given by doctors about SSRIs.
    People, who were being ignored by their doctors, with their
    unflintching beliefs in this "miracle" drugs were being ignored while
    often getting worse. Thank goodness that SSRIs have finally been
    proven to cause harm.

    I remember the hell I went through with Paxil, all the while, my
    doctor only wanted to raise my dossage. He never understood that I
    wasn't even depressed until I started the drug. Leave it up to a
    doctor to think a teenage girl having trouble concentrating and
    excessively tired (i was anemic) MUST need anti-depressants.

    I for one, don't believe doctors actually listen to the majority of
    their patients... And while I have taken ritalin and an SSRI, I would
    never put my own child on it unless he or she WANTED to be on it. I
    know how horrible these drugs can make you feel and I wouldn't force
    my worse enemy on it. All of this needs to be taken with a grain of
    salt.

    So, you are a bilger who is anti-medications, but would give a kid a toxic
    substance with Na+ and Cl-, eh?

  17. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    I know they do in California.

    What is it with you americans assuming everything online comes from
    one country?

    We invented it.

    You invented what?

  18. The selfist race

    "Randor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:tCLxc.7884$8R6.1506@clgrps12...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > I know they do in California.

    What is it with you americans assuming everything online comes from
    one country?

    We invented it.

    You invented what?

  19. Maybe in circles because they can't make up their mind long enough to run
    towards anything.

    "Vashti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Gymmy Bob said:

    Did anyone ever think that if you could get your 5 year old to "go
    for a run" and focus long enough to get his/her shoes on, there
    wouldn't be a problem with ADHD?

    I know I never tried to get my kids to stop running to see if they got
    rowdier. Don't 5 year olds just run regardless? 😉

    Vashti

  20. WTF is CBT? Chekaslovakia Book Therapy?

    "Vashti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Gymmy Bob said:

    When they prescribe the SSRI's, same as a shrink will do, the only
    purpose left for the shrink is to convince the patient it isn't a
    personal failure to take the medication. Most of the therapy isn't
    necessary anymore.

    These words were from the last therapist I talked to.

    So you never saw *that* therapist again I hope! Given a choice I'd go
    for CBT and meds to handle depression or anxiety.

    Burn's book "Feeling Good, the new mood therapy" helped me when I
    couldn't get CBT.

    Vashti

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