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  1. Linus Pauling, PhD
    A Decade After His Last Interview,
    His Reputation Continues to Grow
    © By Peter Barry Chowka

    (April 1, 2004) On August 19, 1994, Linus Pauling, PhD died of cancer at age
    93 at his home in Big Sur, California. The only person to win two unshared
    Nobel prizes (for Chemistry in 1954 and Peace in 1962), Pauling, during the
    last 25 years of his life, became a vocal and uniquely effective advocate
    for vitamin C and nutritional medicine. He has been given credit by many
    people for almost single handedly making vitamin C the most popular and
    widely used nutritional supplement in the world and for helping to
    significantly advance the fields of clinical nutrition, primary prevention,
    and "orthomolecular" medicine (a term he coined).

    On April 9, 1994, four months before his death, Pauling gave his last
    feature-length interview, to this writer. It was the eighth time since 1980
    that I had interviewed him. The venue for our final conversation was a live
    radio talk show in San Diego, California that I was hosting. On that
    Saturday morning at 9 am, Pauling appeared on the program by telephone live
    from his ranch in Big Sur.

    The anniversary of that interview is April 9, 2004. The decade that has
    passed provides an opportunity to reflect on both the content of the
    interview and the fact that a talk radio program provided the context for
    it.

    During the quarter of a century after his involvement with vitamin C and
    orthomolecular medicine began in 1970, Pauling used the media - particularly
    radio and TV talk shows - to discuss his work and to spread the gospel of
    natural healing. Over the years, he was a frequent guest on every kind of
    program from nationally syndicated television talk shows like the one hosted
    during the 1970s and '80s by Merv Griffin to radio call-in programs in local
    markets, like that one I was doing in San Diego in 1994 on station KCEO AM
    1000.

    As media guru (and later, founder of the Fox News Channel) Roger Ailes
    explained in his 1987 book You Are the Message, an author or thought leader
    is only as successful in the media as the reality and legitimacy of his
    personality and message. Pauling unequivocally embodied the messages he was
    espousing: independence, empowerment, and health.

    In the decade since his death, much of what Pauling pioneered, in terms of
    vitamin C, the antioxidants, and nutritional medicine, has been validated.
    For example, the Canadian Medical Association Journal published several
    articles in its February 6, 2001 issue about vitamin C. The editorial notes,
    "In the past decade, however, interest in vitamin C has been revitalized
    with a new understanding of its biochemistry. Ascorbic acid, an antioxidant,
    is now known to be a specific electron donor for 8 enzymes, and it may have
    more biologic functions than just preventing scurvy. In this issue,
    Sebastian J. Padayatty and Mark Levine review these developments and argue
    that subclinical vitamin C deficiency may be more common than we think (page
    353).

    "On page 351 L. John Hoffer argues that it is also time to re-evaluate
    vitamin C's possible usefulness in managing cancer. Pointing out errors in
    the design of the randomized trials of vitamin C therapy published in the
    1970s, Hoffer argues that although there are other possible explanations we
    cannot rule out high-dose intravenous vitamin C as the cause of the
    remissions in [Ewan] Cameron's patients. [Cameron, a Scottish surgeon
    (1922-1991), became Pauling's close collaborator and the medical director of
    the Linus Pauling Institute for Science and Medicine.] Such a thing is no
    longer implausible. As science advances, so does the potential for a
    miracle."

    An excerpt from Pauling's last interview is interesting to consider now, a
    decade after it was first broadcast:

    PETER CHOWKA: For many years you and your colleagues faced an uphill battle
    with the medical powers-that-be in terms of your inability to get a fair
    hearing for your ideas about vitamin C and for nutritional medicine in
    general. Has that situation changed?

    LINUS PAULING, PhD: Oh I think it has been changing. Scientists have tended
    to follow my recommendations, but I've had more trouble with the medical
    establishment--they seem to me to be biased, not to have an open mind with
    respect to information that becomes available about vitamins and other
    nutrients in relation to cancer and other diseases.

    Recently, in the last year or so, part of my effort has been to counteract a
    strange stance on the part of the medical establishment: They have now
    accepted the fact that antioxidants taken in foods cut down on the incidence
    of cancer. But in their books and articles they still say "but don't take
    vitamin supplements." This is completely illogical from my point of view.
    They don't give any arguments at all to support the statement. A paper by
    James Enstrom, Ph.D., and his associates shows how valuable even a little
    extra vitamin C in the form of a supplement is.10

    CHOWKA: Your comments about the medical establishment suggest another
    question. In 1982 you said that, in your view, it was the American public
    that was primarily responsible for the changing face of modern medicine,
    especially for most of the progressive momentum. Is that still your view
    today?

    PAULING: Oh yes! I think that the public as a whole responded better to the
    statements that Cameron and I or Hoffer and I were making than the medical
    establishment. Ten years ago people were telling me, "I told my doctor I was
    taking a gram of vitamin C per day or three grams of vitamin C per day and
    he said 'You mustn't do that, that'll kill you, those vitamins are
    poisonous.'" Five years ago people began reporting to me, "I told the doctor
    I was taking several grams of vitamin C per day and he said, 'Well, that
    won't hurt you. Go ahead if you want to. It probably won't do any good. But
    if you want to take it, go ahead.'" Today, of course, doctors are apt to say
    "That's fine, perhaps it is doing good for you," especially when the patient
    shows up in much better shape than the doctor had expected and says, "I
    think the reason is high doses of vitamin C and vitamin E and so on that
    I've been taking." Doctors tend to agree with that point of view now. I
    don't know to what extent doctors take the initiative in prescribing
    vitamins for their seriously ill patients. But I think many of them are at
    least open to it now.

  2. Anth said:

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Linus Pauling, PhD
    A Decade After His Last Interview,
    His Reputation Continues to Grow

    Actually his reputation so far as his medical theories were concerned is
    very shaky.

    Vitamin C has not been shown to be of any great help in either treating or
    preventing the common cold.

    Perhaps flawed/miinterpreted studies?

    And if they showed that Vitamin C worked do you think that Anth would
    suspect flawed/misinterpreted studies?? Anth has made up his mind
    about Vitamins. It is pointless to convince him otherwise.

    But I respect his right to take as many vitamins as his little heart
    desires.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  3. If the did the exact study and it was well designed then yes I would believe
    it, as I've told you before.
    How's about this, you made some claims about something, things that you had
    witnessed in your own practice, the someone comes along does what they claim
    that you have and got no results?
    Wouldn't that [censored] you off?
    Anth

    <Rich.@.> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden].


    com.au...

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    "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Linus Pauling, PhD
    > A Decade After His Last Interview,
    > His Reputation Continues to Grow

    Actually his reputation so far as his medical theories were concerned


    is

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    very shaky.

    Vitamin C has not been shown to be of any great help in either treating


    or

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    preventing the common cold.

    Perhaps flawed/miinterpreted studies?

    And if they showed that Vitamin C worked do you think that Anth would
    suspect flawed/misinterpreted studies?? Anth has made up his mind
    about Vitamins. It is pointless to convince him otherwise.

    But I respect his right to take as many vitamins as his little heart
    desires.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  4. First comment is unclear for binary old Rich@
    By doing what they claim is what you done I mean not following the exact
    protocol but claiming that they did your protocol.
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If the did the exact study and it was well designed then yes I would


    believe

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    it, as I've told you before.
    How's about this, you made some claims about something, things that you


    had

    Quoted message said:

    witnessed in your own practice, the someone comes along does what they


    claim

    Quoted message said:

    that you have and got no results?
    Wouldn't that [censored] you off?
    Anth

  5. 'The only criticism of these studies devolves upon the fact that no one knew
    then, not even Cameron or Pauling, that blood levels of vitamin C are
    tightly controlled. Intravenous vitamin C should have been used to produce
    the higher blood levels possible possible via that route. This was done
    initially in all patients by Cameron..'

    This is very true and one of the flaws in the Mayo studies.
    Cameron used IV ascorbate as well as oral.
    Anth

  6. 004 05-18-04 17:17
    Dave posted:
    da> Linus Pauling, PhD
    da> A Decade After His Last Interview,
    da> His Reputation Continues to Grow

    "Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> replied:
    Mo> Actually his reputation so far as his medical theories were concerned
    Mo> is very shaky.

    Mo> Vitamin C has not been shown to be of any great help in either
    Mo> treating or preventing the common cold.

    Funny you say that. In my cow's milk drinking days, whenever
    I developed a bad common cold, I would take a great amount of
    Vitamin C. It really seemed to lessen the common cold.

    However, now that I have STOPPED the drinking of cow's milk &
    diary, I do NOT get real common colds any more.

    .... End of message 19 May 04 10:40
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  7. Quoted message said:

    If the did the exact study and it was well designed then yes I would believe
    it, as I've told you before.
    How's about this, you made some claims about something, things that you had
    witnessed in your own practice, the someone comes along does what they claim
    that you have and got no results?
    Wouldn't that [censored] you off?
    Anth

    Oh, has this been your experience with your clincial practice, Anth? Oh, I
    forgot, you have no training nor any genuine interest in medical science much
    less ANY ACTUAL experience as a clinician.

    Given your one-sided rants about Codex, CDC, FDA, AMA, & the Entire
    Pharmaceutical Industry, I'm forced to say "Sad, Anth."

    Quoted message said:

    <Rich.@.> wrote in message
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    On Wed, 19 May 2004 02:55:42 +0100, "Anth"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

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