Conventional Therapies

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What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find out

..

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. .

Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a disease.
They do not cure a chronic ailment.

NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's natural
functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side effects may
not be readily detectable or recognized.

The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug may
provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.

Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by performing the
natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

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causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics weakens

the

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immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs which
produce them.

Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription drugs are
just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.

It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence, CHRONIC
USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

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therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and frustration for

the

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patient and the physician.

THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups and
diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic diseases but
do not prevent them.

Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or for
short-term control of acute symptoms.

You should really gain some perspective in the world.

First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet is
assinine

Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality. You say
BS because
you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person who knows
something.
It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find

out

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.

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. .

Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a disease.
They do not cure a chronic ailment.

NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's natural
functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side effects

may

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not be readily detectable or recognized.

The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug may
provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.

Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by performing

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

Quoted message said:

causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics weakens

the

Quoted message said:

immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs which
produce them.

Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription drugs

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.

It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence,

CHRONIC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

Quoted message said:

therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and frustration for

the

Quoted message said:

patient and the physician.

THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups and
diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic diseases

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

do not prevent them.

Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or for
short-term control of acute symptoms.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Wickware said:

You should really gain some perspective in the world.

First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet is
assinine

Good work, Mark! Clearly, you finally got to him with this one.

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Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known
reality. You say BS because you are simply an ignorant person trying
to masquerade as a person who knows something.

The irony of *you* referring to someone else as ignorant is really
staggering.

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It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

What you know is how to steal the words of others and pretend they're
your own. Oh, right, and you know how to sell massively-overpriced
ginseng, and lie your ass off. Do you have any other skills?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find

out

Quoted message said:

.

Quoted message said:

. .

Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a disease.
They do not cure a chronic ailment.

NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's natural
functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side effects

may

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not be readily detectable or recognized.

The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug may
provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.

Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by performing

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

Quoted message said:

causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics weakens

the

Quoted message said:

immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs which
produce them.

Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription drugs

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.

It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence,

CHRONIC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

Quoted message said:

therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and frustration for

the

Quoted message said:

patient and the physician.

THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups and
diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic diseases

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

do not prevent them.

Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or for
short-term control of acute symptoms.

"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find out

..

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. .

Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a disease.

Sometimes so, mostly not, as with any generalisation about medicine.

This is normally a prelude to extremely fanciful theories as to the cause of
diseases. They are not backed by any evidence or even confluct violently
with all the available evidence. Even homeopaths make such claims, and
homeopathy is based wholly upon symptoms rather than causes or any
understanding of pathological processes..

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They do not cure a chronic ailment.

The thought for you today, Dave, should be: if a cure exists, an illness
is no longer "chronic"!!.

Myxoedema (hypothyroidism) is a chronic illness but can be terminated by
thyroid hormone. One day it will certainly be cured by thyroid cell
implants, probably grown from the patient's stem cells, but only if we stay
focussed on real science rather than fantasy. Tuberculosis was chronic
but became curable with antibiotics. Cancer is a chronic illness but can be
cured in fifty per cent of cases.

Peter Moran

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Quoted message said:

You should really gain some perspective in the world.

First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet is
assinine

No, it is not. It is demonstrative of your honesty when you steal others
words for your own. You see, at the bottom of the page you swiped the words
from is this little line:

"Copyright © 1999 Yee-Wing Tong, M.D. Inc."

which means that Dr. Tong wants credit for his efforts.

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Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality. You

say

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BS because
you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person who

knows

Quoted message said:

something.
It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

Of course you would say that, as you have no concept of reality.

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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[censored] stolen from

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find

out

Quoted message said:

.

Quoted message said:

. .

Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a

disease.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They do not cure a chronic ailment.

NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's natural
functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side effects

may

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not be readily detectable or recognized.

The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug

may

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.

Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by performing

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

Quoted message said:

causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics

weakens

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs

which

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

produce them.

Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription drugs

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.

It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence,

CHRONIC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

Quoted message said:

therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and frustration

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

patient and the physician.

THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups and
diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic diseases

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

do not prevent them.

Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

short-term control of acute symptoms.

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You should really gain some perspective in the world.

First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet is
assinine

No, it is not. It is demonstrative of your honesty when you steal others
words for your own. You see, at the bottom of the page you swiped the words
from is this little line:

"Copyright © 1999 Yee-Wing Tong, M.D. Inc."

which means that Dr. Tong wants credit for his efforts.

Quoted message said:

Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality. You

say

Quoted message said:

BS because
you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person who

knows

Quoted message said:

something.
It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

Of course you would say that, as you have no concept of reality.

This is reality

Licensed to kill - facts the drug firms conceal
29.04.2004
By JEREMY LAURANCE
The multibillion-dollar international pharmaceutical industry has been
accused of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain
and withholding information that could expose patients to possible
harm.
The stranglehold the industry has on research is causing increasing
alarm in medical circles as evidence emerges of biased results,
under-reporting and selective publication driven by a market worth
more than £10 billion ($28.5 billion) in Britain alone.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3563259

Ya don't need drugs.
http://www.drday.com

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find

out
.

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> . .
>
> Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a

disease.

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> They do not cure a chronic ailment.
>
> NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's natural
> functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side effects

may

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> not be readily detectable or recognized.
>
> The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug

may

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> provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.
>
> Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by performing

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics

weakens
the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs

which

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> produce them.
>
> Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription drugs

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.
>
> It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence,

CHRONIC

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
> DAMAGE IT CAUSES.
>
> Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
> management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

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Quoted message said:

> therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and frustration

for
the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> patient and the physician.
>
> THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
> strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups and
> diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic diseases

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> do not prevent them.
>
> Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or

for

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> short-term control of acute symptoms.
>
>
>
>

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You should really gain some perspective in the world.

First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet

is

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assinine

No, it is not. It is demonstrative of your honesty when you steal others
words for your own. You see, at the bottom of the page you swiped the

words

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from is this little line:

"Copyright © 1999 Yee-Wing Tong, M.D. Inc."

which means that Dr. Tong wants credit for his efforts.

Quoted message said:

Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality.

You

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say

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BS because
you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person who

knows

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something.
It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

Of course you would say that, as you have no concept of reality.

This is reality

One version of it. Not necessarily the real one, though.

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Licensed to kill - facts the drug firms conceal
29.04.2004
By JEREMY LAURANCE
The multibillion-dollar international pharmaceutical industry has been
accused of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain
and withholding information that could expose patients to possible
harm.
The stranglehold the industry has on research is causing increasing
alarm in medical circles as evidence emerges of biased results,
under-reporting and selective publication driven by a market worth
more than £10 billion ($28.5 billion) in Britain alone.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3563259

Ya don't need drugs.
http://www.drday.com

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! you just cited a loon.

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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> [censored] stolen from
>
> http://www.drtong.com/conventional.html
>
>
> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to

find

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out
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> > . .
> >
> > Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a

disease.

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> > They do not cure a chronic ailment.
> >
> > NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's

natural

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> > functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side

effects

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may

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> > not be readily detectable or recognized.
> >
> > The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A

drug

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may

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> > provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.
> >
> > Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by

performing

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the

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> > natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

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> > causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics

weakens
the

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> > immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs

which

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> > produce them.
> >
> > Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription

drugs

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are

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> > just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.
> >
> > It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence,

CHRONIC

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> > USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE

IMMUNE

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> > DAMAGE IT CAUSES.
> >
> > Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
> > management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

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> > therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and

frustration

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for
the

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> > patient and the physician.
> >
> > THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
> > strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups

and

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> > diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic

diseases

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but

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> > do not prevent them.
> >
> > Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations

or

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for

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> > short-term control of acute symptoms.
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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (ex_cathedra)
Date: 5/14/2004 12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email hidden]> wrote in message

Best to ignore anything Mark Probert writes.

He is a member of organized medicine. The norm is to put anything altrnative
down.

Mark is a bully who thrives on arguments, and is full of organized medicine's
mumbo jumbo and lies.

He has a history.

Read it and go figure.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

Jan

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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news:[email hidden]...

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You should really gain some perspective in the world.

First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet is
assinine

No, it is not. It is demonstrative of your honesty when you steal others
words for your own. You see, at the bottom of the page you swiped the words
from is this little line:

"Copyright © 1999 Yee-Wing Tong, M.D. Inc."

which means that Dr. Tong wants credit for his efforts.

Quoted message said:

Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality. You

say

Quoted message said:

BS because
you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person who

knows

Quoted message said:

something.
It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

Of course you would say that, as you have no concept of reality.

This is reality

Licensed to kill - facts the drug firms conceal
29.04.2004
By JEREMY LAURANCE
The multibillion-dollar international pharmaceutical industry has been
accused of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain
and withholding information that could expose patients to possible
harm.
The stranglehold the industry has on research is causing increasing
alarm in medical circles as evidence emerges of biased results,
under-reporting and selective publication driven by a market worth
more than £10 billion ($28.5 billion) in Britain alone.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3563259

Ya don't need drugs.
http://www.drday.com

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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> [censored] stolen from
>
> http://www.drtong.com/conventional.html
>
>
> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find

out
.

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> > . .
> >
> > Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a

disease.

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> > They do not cure a chronic ailment.
> >
> > NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's

natural

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> > functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side

effects

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may

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> > not be readily detectable or recognized.
> >
> > The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug

may

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> > provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.
> >
> > Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by performing

the

Quoted message said:

> > natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a

wheelchair

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> > causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics

weakens
the

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> > immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs

which

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> > produce them.
> >
> > Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription

drugs

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are

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> > just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.
> >
> > It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence,

CHRONIC

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> > USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE

IMMUNE

Quoted message said:

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> > DAMAGE IT CAUSES.
> >
> > Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in the
> > management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the only

available

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> > therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and frustration

for
the

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> > patient and the physician.
> >
> > THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished by
> > strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual check-ups

and

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> > diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic

diseases

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but

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> > do not prevent them.
> >
> > Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or

for

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> > short-term control of acute symptoms.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Organized medicine's mumbo jumbo and lies????

And you have the gall to say that Mark's "norm"
is to put anything alternative down?????

Jan must be Urine Sipping around the trailer park again.....

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (ex_cathedra)
Date: 5/14/2004 12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
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Best to ignore anything Mark Probert writes.

He is a member of organized medicine. The norm is to put anything

altrnative

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down.

Mark is a bully who thrives on arguments, and is full of organized

medicine's

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mumbo jumbo and lies.

He has a history.

Read it and go figure.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

Jan

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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news:[email hidden]...
> You should really gain some perspective in the world.
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> First your acusation of stealing some words published on the internet

is

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> assinine

No, it is not. It is demonstrative of your honesty when you steal

others

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words for your own. You see, at the bottom of the page you swiped the

words

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from is this little line:

"Copyright © 1999 Yee-Wing Tong, M.D. Inc."

which means that Dr. Tong wants credit for his efforts.

> Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality.

You

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say
> BS because
> you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person

who

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knows
> something.
> It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.

Of course you would say that, as you have no concept of reality.

This is reality

Licensed to kill - facts the drug firms conceal
29.04.2004
By JEREMY LAURANCE
The multibillion-dollar international pharmaceutical industry has been
accused of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain
and withholding information that could expose patients to possible
harm.
The stranglehold the industry has on research is causing increasing
alarm in medical circles as evidence emerges of biased results,
under-reporting and selective publication driven by a market worth
more than £10 billion ($28.5 billion) in Britain alone.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3563259

Ya don't need drugs.
http://www.drday.com

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> "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
> [email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > [censored] stolen from
> >
> > http://www.drtong.com/conventional.html
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> > "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to

find

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> > > Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a
disease.
> > > They do not cure a chronic ailment.
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> > > NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's

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> > > The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A

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> > > Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by

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> > > natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of a
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> > > causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of antibiotics
weakens
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> > > immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs
which
> > > produce them.
> > >
> > > Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription

drugs

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> > > It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop.

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> > > Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in

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> > > THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished

by

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> > > strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual

check-ups

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Trolling again Cholera?

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news:_Ccpc.2770$gr.178692@attbi_s52...

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Organized medicine's mumbo jumbo and lies????

And you have the gall to say that Mark's "norm"
is to put anything alternative down?????

Jan must be Urine Sipping around the trailer park again.....

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (ex_cathedra)
Date: 5/14/2004 12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email hidden]> wrote in message

Best to ignore anything Mark Probert writes.

He is a member of organized medicine. The norm is to put anything

altrnative

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down.

Mark is a bully who thrives on arguments, and is full of organized

medicine's

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mumbo jumbo and lies.

He has a history.

Read it and go figure.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

Jan

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > You should really gain some perspective in the world.
> >
> > First your acusation of stealing some words published on the

internet

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is

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> > assinine
>
> No, it is not. It is demonstrative of your honesty when you steal

others

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> words for your own. You see, at the bottom of the page you swiped the

words

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> from is this little line:
>
> "Copyright © 1999 Yee-Wing Tong, M.D. Inc."
>
> which means that Dr. Tong wants credit for his efforts.
>
> > Second Dr Tong is a M.D. and he is explaining a well known reality.

You

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> say
> > BS because
> > you are simply an ignorant person trying to masquerade as a person

who

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> knows
> > something.
> > It just hasn't become apparent what that something is.
>
> Of course you would say that, as you have no concept of reality.
>

This is reality

Licensed to kill - facts the drug firms conceal
29.04.2004
By JEREMY LAURANCE
The multibillion-dollar international pharmaceutical industry has been
accused of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain
and withholding information that could expose patients to possible
harm.
The stranglehold the industry has on research is causing increasing
alarm in medical circles as evidence emerges of biased results,
under-reporting and selective publication driven by a market worth
more than £10 billion ($28.5 billion) in Britain alone.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3563259

Ya don't need drugs.
http://www.drday.com

>
> >
> > "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
> > [email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > [censored] stolen from
> > >
> > > http://www.drtong.com/conventional.html
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid

to

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find

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> out
> .
> > > > . .
> > > >
> > > > Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a
> disease.
> > > > They do not cure a chronic ailment.
> > > >
> > > > NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's
natural
> > > > functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side
effects
> may
> > > > not be readily detectable or recognized.
> > > >
> > > > The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A

drug

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> may
> > > > provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.
> > > >
> > > > Besides side effects, drugs and surgery weaken the body by

performing

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> the
> > > > natural functions for the body, similar to the prolonged use of

a

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> wheelchair
> > > > causing atrophy of the legs. For example, the use of

antibiotics

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> weakens
> the
> > > > immune system, and hormone replacement therapy weakens the

organs

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> which
> > > > produce them.
> > > >
> > > > Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity.

Prescription

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drugs
> are
> > > > just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.
> > > >
> > > > It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop.

Hence,

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> CHRONIC
> > > > USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE
IMMUNE
> > > > DAMAGE IT CAUSES.
> > > >
> > > > Extensive diagnostic tests and procedures are nonproductive in

the

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> > > > management of chronic disorders, as drugs and surgery are the

only

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> available
> > > > therapies. They frequently results in more confusion and

frustration

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> for
> the
> > > > patient and the physician.
> > > >
> > > > THE BEST MEDICINE IS PREVENTION, which can only be accomplished

by

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> > > > strengthening the immunity with natural remedies. Annual

check-ups

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and
> > > > diagnostic tests only provide early detection of catastrophic
diseases
> but
> > > > do not prevent them.
> > > >
> > > > Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical

situations

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or

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> for
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (ex_cathedra)
Date: 5/14/2004 12:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-May 13, 2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email hidden]> wrote in message

Best to ignore anything Mark Probert writes.

Jan says this because she does not take the *Longview* of anything and
refuses my *Helping Hands* when I offer to help her aboard the Illinois
Central.

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He is a member of organized medicine.

a/k/a *The Truth Squad*. Jan cannot handle the truth.

The norm is to put anything altrnative

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down.

Au contraire. I posted an article just yesterday which was supportive of an
alternative treatment.

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Mark is a bully who thrives on arguments, and is full of organized

medicine's

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mumbo jumbo and lies.

Jan calls me a bully, yet posts these gratuitous assaults.

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He has a history.

EVERYONE has a history. Can you state anything that is rational?

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Read it and go figure.

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/PropagandistProbert.html

A defamatory website written by usenets most notorious anti-free speech
hypocrite. The person is Jan's parasitic symbiotic enabler.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Wickware said:

What you should know about health but your doctors are afraid to find out .
. .

Drugs and surgery treat the symptoms rather than the cause of a disease.
They do not cure a chronic ailment.

NATURE KNOWS BEST. Drugs and surgery interfere with the body's natural
functions, therefore are always harmful even though their side effects may
not be readily detectable or recognized.

Moronic. The natural course of many diseases is to kill you. Rabies,
for instance. But, instead, you can go "against nature" and get the
vaccine. You won't die, but Spammin' Dave does not approve, because
you did something 'unnatural." Idiot.

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The practice of specialization amplifies this harmful effect. A drug may
provide temporary benefit, but is harmful to the body.

How sad it is to me that the antibiotics I took cured my infections,
or that the Accutane I took has kept me free of acne for the last 17
years. I'm still waiting for the harmful effects to show up.

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For example, the use of antibiotics weakens the immune system, and
hormone replacement therapy weakens the organs which produce them.

This claim about antibiotics is common. And stupid, and I know of no
evidence that it's true.

And hormone replacement therapy (estrogen/progesterone, at least) is
replacing hormones that the body is no longer producing. You can't
weaken an organ that has already shut down.

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Legalizing a chemical does not reduce its toxicity. Prescription
drugs are just as harmful as illegal drugs in equivalent dosages.

A meaningless claim.

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It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence, CHRONIC
USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.
Furthermore, many diseases are not caused by a "weakened immune
system." Type 1 diabetes, if anything, is caused by an overactive
immune system.

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Drugs and surgery are most often indicated in critical situations or
for short-term control of acute symptoms.

No, no, the earlier paragraphs by the same idiot made it clear that
drugs and surgery are always bad. They can't have it both ways.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 5/15/2004 3:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence, CHRONIC
USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

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Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.

The height of stupidity.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/15/2004 5:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.

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The height of stupidity.

Jan

coming from a retired daycare worker with no education no less

hawki.....

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hawki63 said:

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/15/2004 5:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.

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The height of stupidity.

Jan

coming from a retired daycare worker with no education no less

I assume Jan was doing her usual inept job of quoting, with the wrong
number of ">" marks at the start of the line.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 5/15/2004 7:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

Hawki63 said:

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/15/2004 5:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.

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The height of stupidity.

Jan

coming from a retired daycare worker with no education no less

I assume Jan was doing her usual inept job of quoting, with the wrong
number of ">" marks at the start of the line.

As usual your guesses are wrong. Hard pressed to find something wrong
Furthermore hawki is showing her usual lies and jealously. Too bad she never
owned her own business and must belittle by say daycare worker. Of course, she
doesn't know the difference.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/15/2004 9:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Too bad she never
owned her own business and must belittle by say daycare worker. Of

why sure I owned my OWN business...just like you...I babysat for a living when
I was a teen...

isn't that what you did??

ie..if you own a daycare business,,,that MAKES you a daycare worker!!!
hawki.....

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 5/15/2004 3:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence, CHRONIC
USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

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Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.

The height of stupidity.

How so? What he says is absolutely true. There are many drugs that do
not cause immune system damage. In fact, most drugs do not.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Orac said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Conventional Therapies
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 5/15/2004 3:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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>It is the weakened immunity that allows disease to develop. Hence, CHRONIC
>USE OF ANY DRUG FOR ANY PURPOSE IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE IMMUNE
>DAMAGE IT CAUSES.

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Total crapola, and many drugs do not cause immune system damage.

The height of stupidity.

How so? What he says is absolutely true. There are many drugs that do
not cause immune system damage. In fact, most drugs do not.

Jan didn't like what I said, therefore she prounounced it stupid.
Truth is irrelevant.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)