Re: Detoxification Therapy

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 5/1/2004 10:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/1/2004 9:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Poor Hawki, your eagerness to trash Jan backfired.

I made the orginal post, Peter Moran and
Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden] replied.

oh....my apolgies then to Peter and Jesse...

Righto.

None to Jan of course.

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What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

Opps, a bit of snipping.

Let's take it from the top.

Detoxification therapy can not be defined as a single treatment and often

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>includes a number of the therapies listed below. It is more easily
described
>as a basic philosophy with a wide variety of treatments that are in

says Anth

Well, no. Read again.

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and Janknow nothing butts in

Poor Hawki, your eagerness to trash Jan backfired.

I made the orginal post, Peter Moran and
Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden] replied.

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Nope. YOUR words come from organized medcine.

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Detoxification is occurring in the body constantly. The major systems
involved in the detoxification

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read the title of the thread snookums...therapy invokes "exogenous" while
"...occurring in the body constantly" invokes "endogenous"..

I read it, know nothing, who can't follow the posts of who said what. What's
more, I did a lot of detoxing.

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Anth is right...whatever you copied is NOT contradictory to what Anth said..

Anth didn't reply sweetcakes.

You really are lost.

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someday you MAY learn to keep out of what you know so little..or nothing
..about...

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Please do try harder to follow the thread, while [censored] about what others
don't know. You might save embarrassing yourself.

Truth is, I know much more about detoxing than you, as in been there, done
that.

Now run along and find something else to [censored] about, and try to keep up.

Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

I'll just give ya enough rope to hang yourself, while [censored].

Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 4/22/2004 5:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/22/2004 2:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan says

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No it is not. This is just one more thing organized medicine has not
excepted.

again..Janster...try and use a spell check...plus a dictionary would help..

not EXCEPT but ACCEPT

you are making your lack of formal education more and more apparent

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The fact that alternative medicine are getting reslults with balancing the ph
level is *why* it is being fought.

a/ it is pH not ph or PH...as your Gang contines to misspell if one cannot
spell the word..it is unlikely they have a clue as to its
physiology

LOLOLOL!!!!!!

========

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What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

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of course you did..you are more full of [censored] than the average person..

There you go with your famous belittling, you know nothing. I detoxed the
mercury,,,,,,,from amalgams.

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Anth didn't reply sweetcakes.

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again....my apologies to Anth

Thanks for proving you aren't woman enough to apologize to me.

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Truth is, I know much more about detoxing than you, as in been there, done
that.

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yep...gotta get rid of them parasites and your "mercury amalgams"...

Well, Ms know nothing, one doesn't get rid of mercury amalgams by detoxing.

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Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

care to point out where I erred??

Already did.

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unless YOU don't think there is a difference between accept/except
and the proper way to write pH

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oops I caught it ....an extra s in mispell..

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Time to get out your dictionary.

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see at least I can find my own errs Janster.....

LOLOLOL!!

Dearest sweetcakes, misspell was not the mistake.

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you can't find your ass with both hands..

More insulting.

Now do try to find the word you incorrectly spelled, since you failed this
time.

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sad that
hawki.....

Indeed you are.

Jan

My reply was mostly about chelation therapy and its past uses.
Yes, Jan, it is rather understudied.
I guess that makes it a bit unproven, especially since it fell out of use
for such a long time.
It was used extensively in America and England for treating people with
heavy metal poisoning.
Later it was apparently briefly used to treat radiation victims.
But the only source I could find only mentioned that it was used.
There was not enough information to tell how well it worked.
In fact there isn't a lot of information to tell how well it worked back in
the 1930's.
An individual came to me and asked if I had ever heard of it.
Since I grew up in the oil industry I had heard of it but did not know very
much about it.
With the brief time I've had to research it I don't have a lot of
information to make good judgements about its usefulness.
In recent years certain alternative medical practitioners have revived this
treatment for various ailments.
In the midwest there are few locations where it is being used.
I've tried contacting the few places I could find listings for.
I haven't had any returned calls.
If this treatment actually worked as suggested it would be very helpful for
a number of ailments.
If anyone has actual knowledge of how this treatment is administered and
what tools or chemicals are used it would be appreciated.
Other than that I would like to see some kind of study done on this.
How else can we make qualified judgements about submitting ourselves or our
loved ones to this treatment?
In deference to your original post about detoxification I would expect there
are several different methods to do this.
I suppose each type of polution in the body might require a different
detoxification treatment.
That may be why the other poster stated that detoxification seemed to be
useless.
It was suggested that you go once for treatment and you feel better for a
while.
Then you feel bad again and have to go back for another treatment.
This is the complaint many people have with chiropracters.
I submit this thought to you.
You go for detoxification and you feel fine for a while then begin to feel
bad again.
When you return for another detoxification perhaps a different treatment
should be administered to remove a different toxin.
If you had multiple toxins in your body it might require a different type of
treatment to remove each one.
There might not be a silver bullet that would get all the toxins at the same
time.
So multiple treatments might not be just a way to get more money out of a
patient.
It might actually be required in order to cure a person of everything that
was ailing them.
I suppose an exhaustive study on all the different detoxification treatments
and what each does would be best.
Do you have any of that information?

Thanks,
Jesse

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 5/1/2004 10:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/1/2004 9:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Poor Hawki, your eagerness to trash Jan backfired.

I made the orginal post, Peter Moran and
Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden] replied.

oh....my apolgies then to Peter and Jesse...

Righto.

None to Jan of course.

Quoted message said:

What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

Opps, a bit of snipping.

Let's take it from the top.

Detoxification therapy can not be defined as a single treatment and often

Quoted message said:

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>>includes a number of the therapies listed below. It is more easily
>described
>>as a basic philosophy with a wide variety of treatments that are in

says Anth

Well, no. Read again.

Quoted message said:

and Janknow nothing butts in

Poor Hawki, your eagerness to trash Jan backfired.

I made the orginal post, Peter Moran and
Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden] replied.

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Nope. YOUR words come from organized medcine.

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Detoxification is occurring in the body constantly. The major systems
involved in the detoxification

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read the title of the thread snookums...therapy invokes "exogenous" while
"...occurring in the body constantly" invokes "endogenous"..

I read it, know nothing, who can't follow the posts of who said what.

What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

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Anth is right...whatever you copied is NOT contradictory to what Anth

said..

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Anth didn't reply sweetcakes.

You really are lost.

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someday you MAY learn to keep out of what you know so little..or nothing
..about...

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Please do try harder to follow the thread, while [censored] about what

others

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don't know. You might save embarrassing yourself.

Truth is, I know much more about detoxing than you, as in been there, done
that.

Now run along and find something else to [censored] about, and try to keep up.

Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

I'll just give ya enough rope to hang yourself, while [censored].

Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 4/22/2004 5:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/22/2004 2:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan says

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No it is not. This is just one more thing organized medicine has not
excepted.

again..Janster...try and use a spell check...plus a dictionary would

help..

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not EXCEPT but ACCEPT

you are making your lack of formal education more and more apparent

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The fact that alternative medicine are getting reslults with balancing

the ph

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level is *why* it is being fought.

a/ it is pH not ph or PH...as your Gang contines to misspell if one cannot
spell the word..it is unlikely they have a clue as to its
physiology

LOLOLOL!!!!!!

========

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What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

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of course you did..you are more full of [censored] than the average person..

There you go with your famous belittling, you know nothing. I detoxed the
mercury,,,,,,,from amalgams.

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Anth didn't reply sweetcakes.

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again....my apologies to Anth

Thanks for proving you aren't woman enough to apologize to me.

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Truth is, I know much more about detoxing than you, as in been there,

done

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that.

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yep...gotta get rid of them parasites and your "mercury amalgams"...

Well, Ms know nothing, one doesn't get rid of mercury amalgams by

detoxing.

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Quoted message said:

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Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

care to point out where I erred??

Already did.

Quoted message said:

unless YOU don't think there is a difference between accept/except
and the proper way to write pH

Quoted message said:

oops I caught it ....an extra s in mispell..

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Time to get out your dictionary.

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see at least I can find my own errs Janster.....

LOLOLOL!!

Dearest sweetcakes, misspell was not the mistake.

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you can't find your ass with both hands..

More insulting.

Now do try to find the word you incorrectly spelled, since you failed this
time.

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sad that
hawki.....

Indeed you are.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: "Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 12:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

My reply was mostly about chelation therapy and its past uses.
Yes, Jan, it is rather understudied.
I guess that makes it a bit unproven, especially since it fell out of use
for such a long time.
It was used extensively in America and England for treating people with
heavy metal poisoning.
Later it was apparently briefly used to treat radiation victims.
But the only source I could find only mentioned that it was used.
There was not enough information to tell how well it worked.
In fact there isn't a lot of information to tell how well it worked back in
the 1930's.
An individual came to me and asked if I had ever heard of it.
Since I grew up in the oil industry I had heard of it but did not know very
much about it.
With the brief time I've had to research it I don't have a lot of
information to make good judgements about its usefulness.
In recent years certain alternative medical practitioners have revived this
treatment for various ailments.
In the midwest there are few locations where it is being used.
I've tried contacting the few places I could find listings for.
I haven't had any returned calls.
If this treatment actually worked as suggested it would be very helpful for
a number of ailments.
If anyone has actual knowledge of how this treatment is administered and
what tools or chemicals are used it would be appreciated.
Other than that I would like to see some kind of study done on this.
How else can we make qualified judgements about submitting ourselves or our
loved ones to this treatment?
In deference to your original post about detoxification I would expect there
are several different methods to do this.
I suppose each type of polution in the body might require a different
detoxification treatment.
That may be why the other poster stated that detoxification seemed to be
useless.
It was suggested that you go once for treatment and you feel better for a
while.
Then you feel bad again and have to go back for another treatment.
This is the complaint many people have with chiropracters.
I submit this thought to you.
You go for detoxification and you feel fine for a while then begin to feel
bad again.
When you return for another detoxification perhaps a different treatment
should be administered to remove a different toxin.
If you had multiple toxins in your body it might require a different type of
treatment to remove each one.
There might not be a silver bullet that would get all the toxins at the same
time.
So multiple treatments might not be just a way to get more money out of a
patient.
It might actually be required in order to cure a person of everything that
was ailing them.
I suppose an exhaustive study on all the different detoxification treatments
and what each does would be best.
Do you have any of that information?

Thanks,
Jesse

I have posted studies on chelation. I had mercury poisoning from amalgams. I
did oral chelation. A good CRA will treat one layer at a time. Yes it does take
multiple treatments. These toxins can't be elmimated in one visit. This is used
as an excuse by those fighting it. Detoxing takes a long time depending on what
is giving the problem.

I alos spoke with people at the Florida Institute of Health in Clearwater who
were doing it as well as several people in our winter home park, who were
having it done. There is also good information in Dr James Carter's book.
Racketeering in Medicine, including a senator who used it and it saved him from
bypass surgery.

Here are a few links that may help.

Also, since you are new here, there is a group who automatically puts down any
and all alternative medicine not endorsed by *organized medicine*.

Thus the flame wars, which hinder a real discussion.

Best to you.

Jan

http://drcranton.com/sham.htm

AMA PUBLISHES JUNK SCIENCE IN
ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT CHELATION

http://drcranton.com/chelation/chelationcritics.htm

CHELATION CRITICS PUBLISH
***DECEPTIVE DATA***

http://drcranton.com/chelation/rebuttal.htm

BUSTING THE QUACKBUSTERS
REBUTTAL TO "QUACKWATCH" WEBSITE OPPOSING CHELATION THERAPY:

http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=218

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http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_print.asp?ID=218&type=

http://www.caringmedical.com/faqtopics/chelation.asp#work

http://www.edtachelation.com/articles.asp

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/ajao/ChelationFAQ.html

http://www.camltd.com/works.htm

The international protocol for the provision of chelation therapy is

regulated

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by the International Board of Chelation Therapy (IBCT) and American Board of
Chelation Therapy (ABCT) and is derived from the knowledge gained in some
thousands of research studies worldwide. Chelation therapy administered
according to this protocol has an excellent safety record.

http://www.camltd.com/Chelation_factsheet2.pdf

http://www.camltd.com/links.htm

http://www.camltd.com/

http://www.lef.org/newsarchive/vitamins/2001/04/09/REC/0000-0983-KEYWORD.M
issing.html

http://www.mcdonaghmed.com/Chelation.htm

http://bidclix.net/PopUps/Popup56.jsp?gId=6&opt=1&excID=&nl=10&pop=1&p=300
3&cat=24

http://askwaltstollmd.com/body_chelate.html

http://www.chelationbc.com/facts.html

http://www.chelationbc.com/benefits.html

http://www.oralchelation.net/heartdisease/ChapterEleven/page11.htm

http://www.chelationforlife.com/howedta.html

http://www.cmrsnews.com/021303heart.htm

http://www.bornclinic.com/whats_new.cfm

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/google2.htm

http://www.oralchelation.com/LifeGlowBasic/description/p13.htm

http://nccam.nih.gov/news/2002/chelation/q-and-a.htm

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/2/2004 12:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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None to Jan of course.

righto

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I read it, know nothing, who can't follow the posts of who said what.

it was 1 am....

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Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

hmmm

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oops I caught it ....an extra s in mispell..

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Time to get out your dictionary.

and so I did....why I did NOT misspell misspell!!!

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Dearest sweetcakes, misspell was not the mistake.

yep....so what was??????
hawki.....

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ubject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: "Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 1:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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My reply was mostly about chelation therapy and its past uses.
Yes, Jan, it is rather understudied.
I guess that makes it a bit unproven, especially since it fell out of use
for such a long time.
It was used extensively in America and England for treating people with
heavy metal poisoning.
Later it was apparently briefly used to treat radiation victims.
But the only source I could find only mentioned that it was used.
There was not enough information to tell how well it worked.
In fact there isn't a lot of information to tell how well it worked back in
the 1930's.
An individual came to me and asked if I had ever heard of it.
Since I grew up in the oil industry I had heard of it but did not know very
much about it.
With the brief time I've had to research it I don't have a lot of
information to make good judgements about its usefulness.
In recent years certain alternative medical practitioners have revived this
treatment for various ailments.
In the midwest there are few locations where it is being used.
I've tried contacting the few places I could find listings for.
I haven't had any returned calls.
If this treatment actually worked as suggested it would be very helpful for
a number of ailments.
If anyone has actual knowledge of how this treatment is administered and
what tools or chemicals are used it would be appreciated.
Other than that I would like to see some kind of study done on this.
How else can we make qualified judgements about submitting ourselves or our
loved ones to this treatment?
In deference to your original post about detoxification I would expect there
are several different methods to do this.
I suppose each type of polution in the body might require a different
detoxification treatment.
That may be why the other poster stated that detoxification seemed to be
useless.

Jesse...

chelation is very effective in removing heavy metals...this HAS been studied
and proven effective

years ago when I worked in hemodialysis,,before Epogen (for increasing red
blood cell production) came in..we had to transfuse these patients
regularly...obviously each unit of blood comes with a burden of iron....iron
overload WAS a problem...and we used to use an IV chelator to lower the
levels..sorry at the moment cannot remember the name of the compound..

lead poisoning in children (thankfully much less common now) is also treated
successfully with chelation..

the "problem" with the chelationists is their claim that treatment can/does
reduce plaque in the coronary arteries...tho there is some calcium in
plaque...there have been no large scale trials..with pre and post chelation
radiographic proof (ie angiograms) that have documented any benefit..

on another note...I can still remember my very FIRST day on the wards as a
freshman nursing student (1962...yikes)...my "mentor" student had a patient
who's leg wound was YUCKKY and full of maggots...I nearly threw up...the guy
was debrided each day of said maggots...but lo and behold..the wound was
cleaning up!!!

today..using maggots..tho not done far and wide ...IS recognized as
therapeutic...have seen epidodes on Discovery Health showing patients with
maggot therapy...they ALL got better ...maggots ONLY eat dead tissue!!! supply
houses now sell maggots in little jars...

personally I would have to be put out...as patients DO feel the action of the
critters..

long story short...

"conventional" does use "altie" therapies when they are shown to work...

my .02 cents

hawki.....

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 5/2/2004 8:46 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/2/2004 12:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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None to Jan of course.

righto

You have a very bad habit of chopping posts.

Just imagine, you are asking me where you erred, and I am a know nothing.

Keep looking Ms know it all, you'll find it.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy

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From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/1/2004 9:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Poor Hawki, your eagerness to trash Jan backfired.

I made the orginal post, Peter Moran and
Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden] replied.

oh....my apolgies then to Peter and Jesse...

Righto.

None to Jan of course.

Quoted message said:

What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

Opps, a bit of snipping.

Let's take it from the top.

Detoxification therapy can not be defined as a single treatment and often

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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>includes a number of the therapies listed below. It is more easily
described
>as a basic philosophy with a wide variety of treatments that are in

says Anth

Well, no. Read again.

Quoted message said:

and Janknow nothing butts in

Poor Hawki, your eagerness to trash Jan backfired.

I made the orginal post, Peter Moran and
Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden] replied.

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Nope. YOUR words come from organized medcine.

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Detoxification is occurring in the body constantly. The major systems
involved in the detoxification

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read the title of the thread snookums...therapy invokes "exogenous" while
"...occurring in the body constantly" invokes "endogenous"..

I read it, know nothing, who can't follow the posts of who said what. What's
more, I did a lot of detoxing.

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Anth is right...whatever you copied is NOT contradictory to what Anth said..

Anth didn't reply sweetcakes.

You really are lost.

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someday you MAY learn to keep out of what you know so little..or nothing
..about...

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Please do try harder to follow the thread, while [censored] about what others
don't know. You might save embarrassing yourself.

Truth is, I know much more about detoxing than you, as in been there, done
that.

Now run along and find something else to [censored] about, and try to keep up.

Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

I'll just give ya enough rope to hang yourself, while [censored].

Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
Date: 4/22/2004 5:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Ph Balance, more to the facts and results than you know
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 4/22/2004 2:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan says

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No it is not. This is just one more thing organized medicine has not
excepted.

again..Janster...try and use a spell check...plus a dictionary would help..

not EXCEPT but ACCEPT

you are making your lack of formal education more and more apparent

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The fact that alternative medicine are getting reslults with balancing the ph
level is *why* it is being fought.

a/ it is pH not ph or PH...as your Gang contines to misspell if one cannot
spell the word..it is unlikely they have a clue as to its
physiology

LOLOLOL!!!!!!

========

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What's

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more, I did a lot of detoxing.

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of course you did..you are more full of [censored] than the average person..

There you go with your famous belittling, you know nothing. I detoxed the
mercury,,,,,,,from amalgams.

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Anth didn't reply sweetcakes.

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again....my apologies to Anth

Thanks for proving you aren't woman enough to apologize to me.

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Truth is, I know much more about detoxing than you, as in been there, done
that.

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yep...gotta get rid of them parasites and your "mercury amalgams"...

Well, Ms know nothing, one doesn't get rid of mercury amalgams by detoxing.

Quoted message said:

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Oh and btw, please do try harder when correcting one's spelling.

care to point out where I erred??

Already did.

Quoted message said:

unless YOU don't think there is a difference between accept/except
and the proper way to write pH

Quoted message said:

oops I caught it ....an extra s in mispell..

LOLOLOL!!!!!

Time to get out your dictionary.

Quoted message said:

see at least I can find my own errs Janster.....

LOLOLOL!!

Dearest sweetcakes, misspell was not the mistake.

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you can't find your ass with both hands..

More insulting.

Now do try to find the word you incorrectly spelled, since you failed this
time.

Quoted message said:

sad that
hawki.....

Indeed you are.

Jan

Jan,

Thank you for all of the information.
I have saved it and I will follow through on it.
I worked in the oil field for many years and began to develope a host of
illnesses.
I was diagnosed with crude oil poisoning.
That is a rather broad diagnosis, like post traumatic stress disorder.
(For brevity's sake) C.O.P and P.T.S.D. can have a wide range of causes and
a wide range of symptoms.
But the fact remains you feel sick and it takes time for someone to figure
out why.
My friend came to me and offered the information he had about chelation
therapy because he believed it would help.
I believed him due to something I underwent about a year ago.
My wife and I went to a detoxification demonstration at a chiropracter's
office.
He was aware of my history and insisted I be a demonstration patient in his
class.
So my wife and I allowed him to do a detoxification on us.
Her water stayed almost clear until just before the end (about 30 minutes).
However, my water got really dark right off.
It developed foam on the water of various colors.
Actually I was rather concerned.
He checked both of us and stated that my wife had apparently lived a fairly
healthy life.
I on the otherhand had a multitude of problems.
He began to expound on the various colors of the foam and what each meant.
He began to list all of the toxins that are commonly found in crude oil.
I thought "okay, he knows I worked in the oil field and he's just using that
knowledge as a guide."
But then he began to say that I showed signs of aluminum and copper
poisoning.
I had never previously mentioned to him anything about those.
For a period of time I worked in a warehouse handling huge rolls of aluminum
and copper wiring.
Obviously through friction some of the aluminum and copper was rubbed off
and became dust that got everywhere.
I must have absorbed enough of that dust either by skin contact or breathing
to show up in his detoxification.
There was no way for him to know that, though.
I have since had a handfiul of treatments but due to the costs had to stop.
I thought that was where it would end until recently when some friends
introduced me to some information.
It is still rather early to state without fear of contradicting myself that
I am doing better.
But, I do feel better.
Now, having done some research on chelation therapy and the information I
have gotten from you, I'm seriously considering beginning this treatment.
My Grandmother said the truth is not often to be found in one place.
Often pieces of it will come to you from many sources and it is up to you to
put it together for your edification.
So again I thank you for your information.
And I thank you for listening.
Jesse Hamilton

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My reply was mostly about chelation therapy and its past uses.
Yes, Jan, it is rather understudied.
I guess that makes it a bit unproven, especially since it fell out of use
for such a long time.
It was used extensively in America and England for treating people with
heavy metal poisoning.
Later it was apparently briefly used to treat radiation victims.
But the only source I could find only mentioned that it was used.
There was not enough information to tell how well it worked.
In fact there isn't a lot of information to tell how well it worked back

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the 1930's.
An individual came to me and asked if I had ever heard of it.
Since I grew up in the oil industry I had heard of it but did not know

very

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much about it.
With the brief time I've had to research it I don't have a lot of
information to make good judgements about its usefulness.
In recent years certain alternative medical practitioners have revived

this

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treatment for various ailments.
In the midwest there are few locations where it is being used.
I've tried contacting the few places I could find listings for.
I haven't had any returned calls.
If this treatment actually worked as suggested it would be very helpful

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a number of ailments.
If anyone has actual knowledge of how this treatment is administered and
what tools or chemicals are used it would be appreciated.
Other than that I would like to see some kind of study done on this.
How else can we make qualified judgements about submitting ourselves or

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loved ones to this treatment?
In deference to your original post about detoxification I would expect

there

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are several different methods to do this.
I suppose each type of polution in the body might require a different
detoxification treatment.
That may be why the other poster stated that detoxification seemed to be
useless.

Jesse...

chelation is very effective in removing heavy metals...this HAS been

studied

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and proven effective

years ago when I worked in hemodialysis,,before Epogen (for increasing red
blood cell production) came in..we had to transfuse these patients
regularly...obviously each unit of blood comes with a burden of

iron....iron

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overload WAS a problem...and we used to use an IV chelator to lower the
levels..sorry at the moment cannot remember the name of the compound..

lead poisoning in children (thankfully much less common now) is also

treated

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successfully with chelation..

the "problem" with the chelationists is their claim that treatment

can/does

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reduce plaque in the coronary arteries...tho there is some calcium in
plaque...there have been no large scale trials..with pre and post

chelation

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radiographic proof (ie angiograms) that have documented any benefit..

on another note...I can still remember my very FIRST day on the wards as a
freshman nursing student (1962...yikes)...my "mentor" student had a

patient

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who's leg wound was YUCKKY and full of maggots...I nearly threw up...the

guy

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was debrided each day of said maggots...but lo and behold..the wound was
cleaning up!!!

today..using maggots..tho not done far and wide ...IS recognized as
therapeutic...have seen epidodes on Discovery Health showing patients with
maggot therapy...they ALL got better ...maggots ONLY eat dead tissue!!!

supply

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houses now sell maggots in little jars...

personally I would have to be put out...as patients DO feel the action of

the

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critters..

long story short...

"conventional" does use "altie" therapies when they are shown to work...

my .02 cents

hawki.....

hawki,

Again I will say to you as I responded to Jan.
Thanks for the information.
I will follow up on it and let you know how I did.
If you are interested, of course.
I wouldn't want to go through another round of being accused of being a
thief and a lier.
I know there is a detixification treatment for heavy metal.
Is there a detoxification treatment for a heavy heart?

Thanks for listening,
Jesse Hamilton

Look into L-Methionine and L-Cysteine for metal chelation. It is much
cheaper for you to buy and take orally. I am not sure exactly which metals
which supplement takes out. This takes months of supplementation but you may
feel the difference. be careful. calcium and magnesium are metals too and
will get depleted. You may need supplements along with L-Lysine to
metabolise them efficiently.

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Jan,

Thank you for all of the information.
I have saved it and I will follow through on it.
I worked in the oil field for many years and began to develope a host of
illnesses.
I was diagnosed with crude oil poisoning.
That is a rather broad diagnosis, like post traumatic stress disorder.
(For brevity's sake) C.O.P and P.T.S.D. can have a wide range of causes

and

Quoted message said:

a wide range of symptoms.
But the fact remains you feel sick and it takes time for someone to figure
out why.
My friend came to me and offered the information he had about chelation
therapy because he believed it would help.
I believed him due to something I underwent about a year ago.
My wife and I went to a detoxification demonstration at a chiropracter's
office.
He was aware of my history and insisted I be a demonstration patient in

his

Quoted message said:

class.
So my wife and I allowed him to do a detoxification on us.
Her water stayed almost clear until just before the end (about 30

minutes).

Quoted message said:

However, my water got really dark right off.
It developed foam on the water of various colors.
Actually I was rather concerned.
He checked both of us and stated that my wife had apparently lived a

fairly

Quoted message said:

healthy life.
I on the otherhand had a multitude of problems.
He began to expound on the various colors of the foam and what each meant.
He began to list all of the toxins that are commonly found in crude oil.
I thought "okay, he knows I worked in the oil field and he's just using

that

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knowledge as a guide."
But then he began to say that I showed signs of aluminum and copper
poisoning.
I had never previously mentioned to him anything about those.
For a period of time I worked in a warehouse handling huge rolls of

aluminum

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and copper wiring.
Obviously through friction some of the aluminum and copper was rubbed off
and became dust that got everywhere.
I must have absorbed enough of that dust either by skin contact or

breathing

Quoted message said:

to show up in his detoxification.
There was no way for him to know that, though.
I have since had a handfiul of treatments but due to the costs had to

stop.

Quoted message said:

I thought that was where it would end until recently when some friends
introduced me to some information.
It is still rather early to state without fear of contradicting myself

that

Quoted message said:

I am doing better.
But, I do feel better.
Now, having done some research on chelation therapy and the information I
have gotten from you, I'm seriously considering beginning this treatment.
My Grandmother said the truth is not often to be found in one place.
Often pieces of it will come to you from many sources and it is up to you

to

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put it together for your edification.
So again I thank you for your information.
And I thank you for listening.
Jesse Hamilton

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be careful. calcium and magnesium are metals too and
will get depleted

Thanks for the warning.
One of the medicines I take already depletes those two.
Can't have any more of that.
Balancing these supplements is like balancing a bunch of spinning plates on
sticks.
Every compensation you make requires an equal compensation in the opposite
direction.
It's maddening.

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: "Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 2:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

good luck Jesse

hawki.....

Yes, and it is an art. You can get away with most supplements for quite a
while but they can leave you down the road a year or two later wondering why
other problems appear.

I am sure if you do some chelation research online you will find many
relationships between amino acids and other compounds and which metals they
chelate.

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be careful. calcium and magnesium are metals too and
will get depleted

Thanks for the warning.
One of the medicines I take already depletes those two.
Can't have any more of that.
Balancing these supplements is like balancing a bunch of spinning plates

on

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sticks.
Every compensation you make requires an equal compensation in the opposite
direction.
It's maddening.

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: "Jesse Hamilton" [email hidden]
Date: 5/2/2004 12:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jesse,

Sorry I haven't got back to you. We have been camping as it is mushroom season
here. I am not familiar with using water and having it turn different colors.

You are certainly welcome for the information I sent you.

Dextoxing takes a long time. My CRA helped me druing the period working with
one layer at a time.

Godd Luck to you and God Bless, you will be added to my prayer list.

Love,

Jan

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Jan,

Thank you for all of the information.
I have saved it and I will follow through on it.
I worked in the oil field for many years and began to develope a host of
illnesses.
I was diagnosed with crude oil poisoning.
That is a rather broad diagnosis, like post traumatic stress disorder.
(For brevity's sake) C.O.P and P.T.S.D. can have a wide range of causes and
a wide range of symptoms.
But the fact remains you feel sick and it takes time for someone to figure
out why.
My friend came to me and offered the information he had about chelation
therapy because he believed it would help.
I believed him due to something I underwent about a year ago.
My wife and I went to a detoxification demonstration at a chiropracter's
office.
He was aware of my history and insisted I be a demonstration patient in his
class.
So my wife and I allowed him to do a detoxification on us.
Her water stayed almost clear until just before the end (about 30 minutes).
However, my water got really dark right off.
It developed foam on the water of various colors.
Actually I was rather concerned.
He checked both of us and stated that my wife had apparently lived a fairly
healthy life.
I on the otherhand had a multitude of problems.
He began to expound on the various colors of the foam and what each meant.
He began to list all of the toxins that are commonly found in crude oil.
I thought "okay, he knows I worked in the oil field and he's just using that
knowledge as a guide."
But then he began to say that I showed signs of aluminum and copper
poisoning.
I had never previously mentioned to him anything about those.
For a period of time I worked in a warehouse handling huge rolls of aluminum
and copper wiring.
Obviously through friction some of the aluminum and copper was rubbed off
and became dust that got everywhere.
I must have absorbed enough of that dust either by skin contact or breathing
to show up in his detoxification.
There was no way for him to know that, though.
I have since had a handfiul of treatments but due to the costs had to stop.
I thought that was where it would end until recently when some friends
introduced me to some information.
It is still rather early to state without fear of contradicting myself that
I am doing better.
But, I do feel better.
Now, having done some research on chelation therapy and the information I
have gotten from you, I'm seriously considering beginning this treatment.
My Grandmother said the truth is not often to be found in one place.
Often pieces of it will come to you from many sources and it is up to you to
put it together for your edification.
So again I thank you for your information.
And I thank you for listening.
Jesse Hamilton

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
Date: 5/11/2004 11:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Happy escaped from the metal ward again!!!

Cal 911!!!!!

(Jan) said:

You have a very bad habit of chopping posts.

Says Jan Drew, the insane liar and forger.

Jan Drew is a danger for unknowing persons and should be put into
jail. As soon as possible. And as long as possible.

The FAQ about Jan Drew :

http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Aktion "Hilfe für Florian und andere"
Gemeinsam gegen Leukämie

http://www.kinderkrebshilfe-ophoven.de/docs/typisfly2004.htm

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Subject: Re: Detoxification Therapy
From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
Date: 5/11/2004 11:13 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Happy escaped from the metal ward again!!!

Cal 911!!!!!

How come you know the procedure so well?