Proof that Mark Thorson is LYING

Jan said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the groups
suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not appear on
sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

And needs help.

Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU posted
that was crossposted to three newsgroups. Message 4
is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained
the newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups
appear to have been inherited from a posting Ilena
made (originally also including sci.environment, but in
Ian St. John's followup, that newsgroup was deftly
excised).

Just read the headers, the header format is defined
right here: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc850.html
Mr. Bohlman will be delighted to answer any questions
you may have about what all these bits of information
mean.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question. Ilena, don't you have any friends?

~~~~~~~~~~~

Bunches ... just got this from a former support leader who spent years
of her life exposing the dangers of silicone ...

Thanks for asking.

The archives are filled with supportive letters ... right now the
flacks are just drowning them out for their self interests.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Sent : Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:28 PM
To : "ilena rose" <[email hidden]>
Subject : Re: M ...

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Ilena, You always say the nicest things.
The truth is, I could never have put up with
the [censored] that you do. All that [censored] would
have finished me off. The women have a lot to thank you for. You are
the true hero in this issue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Quoted message said:

From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:09:42 -0500
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message 2

"Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question.

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored]. The only thing
they have in common is the [censored] they excrete.

Off topic and trolling. Take it off of sci.environment.

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Message 3

Quoted message said:

From: "Ian St. John"

Quoted message said:

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored]. The only thing
they have in common is the [censored] they excrete.

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash here, we have more
than enuff.

Jan

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant Community
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Lines: 9
X-Admin: [email hidden]
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative,
alt.support.breast-implant
Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:46:52 GMT
References: <[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
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alt.support.breast-implant:92642

Message 4

Jan said:

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash here, we have
more than enuff.

Jan

Trash? Like what kind of trash? Your kind?

------- begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-bg.aol.com

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was
exactly because you are a jew. The same as you
calling me a methodist or baptist girl.
It doesn't even come close to all the names
you have called and your constant trash talk.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-fe.aol.com

Little do you know anything about the
*10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-m15.a
ol.com

I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-m25.a
ol.com

In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-m15.a
ol.com

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-mf.aol.com

How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant Community
Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the
groups suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post
did not appear on sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

Quoted message said:

Message 3

Quoted message said:

From: "Ian St. John"

Quoted message said:

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored]. The only
thing they have in common is the [censored] they excrete.

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash here, we have
more than enuff.

Jan

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant
Community Path:
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9 X-Admin: [email hidden]
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative,
alt.support.breast-implant

These are the headers of *your* post. You posted it to the *three* groups
named on the above line.

Quoted message said:

Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:46:52 GMT
References: <[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

Keep that message-ID in mind.

Quoted message said:

Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46886
misc.health.alternative:424464 alt.support.breast-implant:92642

Quoted message said:

Message 4

Jan said:

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash here, we
have more than enuff.

Jan

Trash? Like what kind of trash? Your kind?

------- begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-bg
.aol.com

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was
exactly because you are a jew. The same as you
calling me a methodist or baptist girl.
It doesn't even come close to all the names
you have called and your constant trash talk.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-fe
.aol.com

Little do you know anything about the
*10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-m1
5.a ol.com

I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-m2
5.a ol.com

In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-m1
5.a ol.com

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-mf
.aol.com

How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant
Community Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I)
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MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative,
alt.support.breast-implant
References: <[email hidden]>
<[email hidden]>

And here we are in the headers of Mark's post. Remember that message-ID
from your post? Here it is sitting in the References line of Mark's post.
That means that Mark posted it as a followup to your post. And if you look
a couple lines above, you will see that the Newsgroups line of his post is
*identical* to the newsgroups line of your post.

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At this point, Jan, you are either lying or delusional. The headers that
*you yourself* posted demonstrate *conclusively* that Mark did not change
the list of newsgroups the post went to. There is no room for doubt here.

In a previous post in this thread, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I
was mistaken. This post of yours plainly demonstrates that you do have at
least a superficial understanding of the header structure of Usenet posts.
I previously advised you to withdraw your complaint to sonic.net on the
grounds that it was based on a misunderstanding. Now I advise you to
withdraw it and to state to sonic.net that you made a complaint that you
knew was false in order to shut up a poster you disagreed with.

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the

groups

Quoted message said:

suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not

appear on

Quoted message said:

sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

[snip]
You crossposted to 3 newsgroups. Your AOL newsreader obeyed
Ian's "followup to" command and sent it to 3 newsgroups omitting
sci.environment per Ian's "followup to" command.
I think you owe Mark T an apology.

.....waiting until Hell freezes over for that one!

Quoted message said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the

groups

Quoted message said:

suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not

appear on

Quoted message said:

sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

[snip]
You crossposted to 3 newsgroups. Your AOL newsreader obeyed
Ian's "followup to" command and sent it to 3 newsgroups omitting
sci.environment per Ian's "followup to" command.
I think you owe Mark T an apology.

I think we should all report Jan to her ISP, AOL with a copy of the post by
Eric Bohlman. It proves not only what happened, but also Jan's very malicious
intentions. Everyone should report every instance of this and should do so for
each Newsgroup the posts appeared in along with a CC to Jan at her email
address, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

....waiting until Hell freezes over for that one!

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: AOL and crossposting
From: [email hidden] (Sweet Ilsa9)
Date: 4/17/2004 4:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think we should all report Jan to her ISP, AOL with a copy of the post by
Eric Bohlman. It proves not only what happened, but also Jan's very
malicious
intentions. Everyone should report every instance of this and should do so
for
each Newsgroup the posts appeared in along with a CC to Jan at her email
address, [email hidden]

then you ALSO get a private email from Janny....who cannot stand it when one of
the "gang" invades her private box....

too bad

hawki.....

Nana Weedkiller said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the

groups

Quoted message said:

suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not

appear on

Quoted message said:

sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

Jan ... of course ...

Barrett's Teddy is wrong ... your posts did not get to sci.environment

(altho if they had ... BRAVO!)

... the more they lose ... the more ridiculous and desperate these
cross dressers are ...

Your search - author:[email hidden] group:sci.environment - did
not match any documents.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Mark Thorson is LYING
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the
groups suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post
did not appear on sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere
except MHA.

Quoted message said:

Message 3

Message one and two comes before 3.

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden])

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question. Ilena, don't you have any friends?

~~~~~~~~~~~

Bunches ... just got this from a former support leader who spent years
of her life exposing the dangers of silicone ...

Thanks for asking.

The archives are filled with supportive letters ... right now the
flacks are just drowning them out for their self interests.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Sent : Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:28 PM
To : "ilena rose" <[email hidden]>
Subject : Re: M ...

3.162.45]) by mc2-f30.hotmail.com with Microsoft
SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:00:50 -0700

Ilena, You always say the nicest things.
The truth is, I could never have put up with
the [censored] that you do. All that [censored] would
have finished me off. The women have a lot to thank you for. You are
the true hero in this issue.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Quoted message said:

From: Ilena Rose [email hidden]
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:09:42 -0500
Organization: Humantics Foundation
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message 2

"Ilena Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From: Eric Gisin ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

This is a serious question.

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored]. The only thing
they have in common is the [censored] they excrete.

Off topic and trolling. Take it off of sci.environment.

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant Community
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From: "Ian St. John" [email hidden]
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
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Now we are ready for 3.

Quoted message said:

From: "Ian St. John"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There are serious [censored] and there are comical [censored]. The only
thing they have in common is the [censored] they excrete.

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash here, we have
more than enuff.

Quoted message said:

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant
Community Path:
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9 X-Admin: [email hidden]
From: [email hidden] (Jan)

Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

alt.support.breast-implant

Quoted message said:

These are the headers of *your* post. You posted it to the *three* groups
named on the above line.

No I posted *ONLY* to MHA, if it was picked up from message two, it would have
included sci. environment

Quoted message said:

Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:46:52 GMT

Quoted message said:

References: <[email hidden]>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Keep that message-ID in mind.

OK.

Quoted message said:

Xref: lobby alt.support.cancer.breast:46886

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misc.health.alternative:424464 alt.support.breast-implant:92642

Quoted message said:

Message 4

Jan wrote:

Quoted message said:

I suggest you buzz off, we don't need this kind of trash here, we

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have more than enuff.

Jan

Trash? Like what kind of trash? Your kind?

Quoted message said:

begin examples of Jan's hatred and bigotry -------

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020505002125.00763.00008303%40mb-bg
.aol.com

Quoted message said:

What's the big deal? Calling you a jew boy was

Quoted message said:

exactly because you are a jew. The same as you
calling me a methodist or baptist girl.
It doesn't even come close to all the names
you have called and your constant trash talk.

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20020504003536.28298.00007240%40mb-fe
.aol.com

Quoted message said:

Little do you know anything about the

Quoted message said:

*10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040303001549.02894.00000796%40mb-m1

Quoted message said:

5.a ol.com

Quoted message said:

I think you [censored] experience has screwed up your brain.

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031117003007.12215.00000318%40mb-m2
5.a ol.com

Quoted message said:

In your queer mind.

Quoted message said:

In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20031112010030.13980.00000058%40mb-m1

Quoted message said:

5.a ol.com

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

Quoted message said:

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:

Quoted message said:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030322221641.09630.00000041%40mb-mf
.aol.com

Quoted message said:

How sad.

Quoted message said:

And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant

Quoted message said:

Community Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0

Quoted message said:

newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, misc.health.alternative,

Quoted message said:

alt.support.breast-implant
References: <[email hidden]>

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[email hidden]>

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And here we are in the headers of Mark's post. Remember that message-ID
from your post?

Yes.

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Here it is sitting in the References line of Mark's post.
That means that Mark posted it as a followup to your post. And if you look
a couple lines above, you will see that the Newsgroups line of his post is
*identical* to the newsgroups line of your post.

Yes, that was never in question. What is is how the trhee groups got in my
post, as I posted *ONLY to MHA. And how did the fourth group get deleted??

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At this point, Jan, you are either lying or delusional.

No, Eric, I am neither.

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The headers that
*you yourself* posted demonstrate *conclusively* that Mark did not change
the list of newsgroups the post went to. There is no room for doubt here.

*I* myself ONLY posted to MHA.

Furthermore there is room for doubt, as Mark aslo send one of my posts to alt.
test and it did NOT appear on MHA, so that LEAVES ROOM FOR DOUBT.

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In a previous post in this thread, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I
was mistaken.

This post of yours plainly demonstrates that you do have at

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least a superficial understanding of the header structure of Usenet posts.

I previously advised you to withdraw your complaint to sonic.net on the

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grounds that it was based on a misunderstanding. Now I advise you to
withdraw it and to state to sonic.net that you made a complaint that you
knew was false in order to shut up a

poster you disagreed with.

ABSOLUTELY NOT, I DID NO SUCH THING.

Now, you tell me how Mark sent my post to alt. test. and it did NOT appear HERE
where I sent it.

March 9th.

http://tinyurl.com/39bym

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the

groups

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suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not

appear on

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sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

And needs help.

Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU posted
that was crossposted to three newsgroups.

Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.

Message 4

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is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained
the newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups
appear to have been inherited from a posting Ilena
made (originally also including sci.environment, but in
Ian St. John's followup, that newsgroup was deftly
excised).

I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before. Since I don't crosspost
and play games of follows up, I did not see it.

Sorry,

Jan

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Here are the headers for the post you replied to:

Subject: Re: Barrett / Quackwatch is a Threat to Breast Implant Community
Path:
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From: "Ian St. John" [email hidden]
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer.breast, sci.environment,
misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant

This line (which has been split in two by word wrapping) lists the four
newsgroups that Ian posted to.

Followup-To:
alt.support.cancer.breast,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-
implant

This line tells any properly-functioning newsreader what groups any
followup post should go to. Note that it lists only three of the four
groups that Ian's post appeared in; it specifically indicates that
followups should *not* go to sci.environment. Ian removed sci.environment
from the followups for reasons known only to him (I presume he felt that
the post was off-topic for that group).

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Here it is sitting in the References line of Mark's post.
That means that Mark posted it as a followup to your post. And if you
look a couple lines above, you will see that the Newsgroups line of
his post is *identical* to the newsgroups line of your post.

Yes, that was never in question. What is is how the trhee groups got
in my post, as I posted *ONLY to MHA. And how did the fourth group get
deleted??

Your newsreader simply honored the Newsgroups: and Followup-To: lines in
Ian's post. Apparently (I've never used AOL's newsreader) it didn't inform
you of the fact that the post you were following up to was crossposted and
had followups set.

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At this point, Jan, you are either lying or delusional.

No, Eric, I am neither.

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The headers that
*you yourself* posted demonstrate *conclusively* that Mark did not
change the list of newsgroups the post went to. There is no room for
doubt here.

*I* myself ONLY posted to MHA.

Furthermore there is room for doubt, as Mark aslo send one of my posts
to alt. test and it did NOT appear on MHA, so that LEAVES ROOM FOR
DOUBT.

The headers you posted *conclusively* demonstrate that Mark had *nothing*
to do with the fact that your post was crossposted to three of the four
groups that the original was crossposted to. In fact, they demonstrate
that Mark didn't become involved in the thread until *after* you made your
post. Unless you're prepared to allege that Mark hacked into at least
several major news servers, including Google's archives, in order to
retroactively change the distribution of your post, you owe him an apology
(and if you do choose to accuse him of hacking, be aware that that would be
an accusation that he committed a felony, which means that if it were
untrue, it would fall into the category of libel _per se_, which in turn
means that if he were to sue you for defamation, he'd have an easier time
proving his case than if it were ordinary libel).

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Now, you tell me how Mark sent my post to alt. test. and it did NOT
appear HERE where I sent it.

March 9th.

http://tinyurl.com/39bym

He simply set the Followup-To: line of his post to alt.test, which
instructs any well-behaved newsreader to send followups there and not here.
BTW, I strongly disagree with him having done so, given that posts to
alt.test result in automatic email responses to the original poster. That
was a cheap shot on his part. But he had absolutely *nothing* to do with
the way the post we were previously discussing was crossposted.

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Subject: Re: Proof that Mark Thorson is LYING
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 6:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Yes, Eric, I now see the follow up in Ian post and said sorry to Mark. Thanks
for helping to clear that up.

So I'll snip that, as it has been posted several times.

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Now, you tell me how Mark sent my post to alt. test. and it did NOT

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appear HERE where I sent it.

March 9th.

http://tinyurl.com/39bym

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He simply set the Followup-To: line of his post to alt.test, which
instructs any well-behaved newsreader to send followups there and not here.

That is certainly dishonest and should not be allowed.

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BTW, I strongly disagree with him having done so, given that posts to
alt.test result in automatic email responses to the original poster.
That was a cheap shot on his part.

Thanks for you honesty.

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But he had absolutely *nothing* to do with the way the post we were

previously discussing was crossposted.

Yes, I did see the follow up. It seems to me crossposting causes a lot of
problems.

Thanks again, I appreciate your help and you honesty.

Jan

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He simply set the Followup-To: line of his post to alt.test, which
instructs any well-behaved newsreader to send followups there and not
here.

That is certainly dishonest and should not be allowed.

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20 years; it's
unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide crosspost and followup
behavior from their users.

What Eric Bohlman said:

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20 years; it's
unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide crosspost and followup
behavior from their users.

What Jan Drew hears:

Blah blah blah blah blah 20 years blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah crosspost blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Why do you bother trying to communicate in an educational
manner with Jan Drew? Public humiliation has so far been
the only effective tool for moderating her behavior, and
woefully inadequate in that regard.

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Subject: Re: Eric's Appreciated Help And Honesty
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 7:48 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He simply set the Followup-To: line of his post to alt.test, which
instructs any well-behaved newsreader to send followups there and not
here.

That is certainly dishonest and should not be allowed.

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20 years; it's
unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide crosspost and followup
behavior from their users.

Agreeded.

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Eric's Appreciated Help And Honesty
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 8:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

What Eric Bohlman said:

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20 years; it's
unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide crosspost and followup
behavior from their users.

What Jan Drew hears:

Blah blah blah blah blah 20 years blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah crosspost blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah

Mercy Mark, another lie.

I heard exactly what Eric said, and agreed with him, what's more his honesty is
appreciated and noted.

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Why do you bother trying to communicate in an educational
manner with Jan Drew?

You might note when he did he received an honest reply, what's more, I said
sorry to you.

You chose not to accept it? Holding grudges isn't good Mark.

Public humiliation has so far been

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the only effective tool for moderating her behavior, and
woefully inadequate in that regard.

Umm, me thinks that is a mumbo jumbo statement.

The only person you humilated is yourself. Not knowing what a mis-statement is.

mis-state

to state incorrectly : give a false account of

False

: intentionally untrue

Lie

to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.

Now it is your choice to keep this insane posting up for another year, as shown
in you ginseng postings, or stop it.

The later might once again slowly regain you some respect, certainly the rate
you've been going is doing you harm.

Jan

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan said:

Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the

groups

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suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not

appear on

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sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.

And needs help.

Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU posted
that was crossposted to three newsgroups.

Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.

Message 4

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is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained
the newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups
appear to have been inherited from a posting Ilena
made (originally also including sci.environment, but in
Ian St. John's followup, that newsgroup was deftly
excised).

I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before. Since I don't

crosspost

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and play games of follows up, I did not see it.

I have a question.....

In the past when Jan responds to a crossposted message, she responded to
only MHA, thus validating her claim that AOL does not allow for
crossposting. Now we see her posting a message through AOL, and she can
crosspost. Does this mean that she is snipping out the groups? If so, why,
especially since she has no idea of which group the OP reads?

Jan said:

You might note when he did he received an honest reply, what's more, I said
sorry to you.

You did not admit having LIED, which you did.

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You chose not to accept it? Holding grudges isn't good Mark.

You are the one who continues to FALSELY accuse
me lf LYING. When you stop repeating this LIE,
I'll stop posting the proof which shows that you are
a LIAR. It is necessary for me to post this information
every time you repeat your LIE, to show that what
you say cannot be trusted.

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Public humiliation has so far been

Quoted message said:

the only effective tool for moderating her behavior, and
woefully inadequate in that regard.

Umm, me thinks that is a mumbo jumbo statement.

The only person you humilated is yourself. Not knowing what a mis-statement is.

mis-state

to state incorrectly : give a false account of

False

: intentionally untrue

Lie

to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.

I was using the word LIE in the same sense that you do.
The same sense that you always use it.

As in the following example:

To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-m01.aol.com

Jan said:

Quoted message said:

From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to discredit
you by making insinuations about who you are or what your
motives may be.

Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have NEVER accused

anyone of

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any such thing.

So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid shills -----

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-fn.aol.com

Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing starts. Mostly
comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-fw.aol.com

Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-ct.aol.com

As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-mn.aol.com

As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names when in fact
he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his own people.

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Now it is your choice to keep this insane posting up for another year, as shown
in you ginseng postings, or stop it.

If you stop repeating your FALSE accusation, it will stop.
If you continue, my defense against your attacks will
continue.

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The later might once again slowly regain you some respect,
certainly the rate you've been going is doing you harm.

Jan

You are delusional. You don't realize how perceptions
of you have been changed, especially by my compilations
of your statements of hatred against Jews, Catholics,
gays, atheists, etc. And my examples of PROOF that
you are a liar. You don't have a shred of respect left.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Mark Thorson is LYING
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 6:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Yes, Eric, I now see the follow up in Ian post and said sorry to Mark.
Thanks
for helping to clear that up.

I am utterly speechless..........

Mark Thorson said:

What Eric Bohlman said:

It's how newsreaders have behaved for at least the last 20 years; it's
unfortunate that some newsreaders try to hide crosspost and followup
behavior from their users.

What Jan Drew hears:

Blah blah blah blah blah 20 years blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah crosspost blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Why do you bother trying to communicate in an educational
manner with Jan Drew? Public humiliation has so far been
the only effective tool for moderating her behavior, and
woefully inadequate in that regard.

Yes, quite agree.....Sad, that.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING
From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-April 18, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
[email hidden]
Date: 4/18/2004 7:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Proof that Jan Drew is LYING
From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
Date: 4/17/2004 1:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Jan wrote:

> Here are the posts in correct order with headers. Please note how the
groups
> suddenly got changed. Proving Mark Thorson is a LIAR. My post did not
appear on
> sci environment. Neither did *I* post it anywhere except MHA.
>
> And needs help.
>
> Jan

Jan, the data you posted PROVES that I am right.
Message 3 in this collection is a message YOU posted
that was crossposted to three newsgroups.

Well, it shouldn't have been. I only posted to MHA.

Message 4

Quoted message said:

is my response to your Message 3, in which I retained
the newsgroups you used. These three newsgroups
appear to have been inherited from a posting Ilena
made (originally also including sci.environment, but in
Ian St. John's followup, that newsgroup was deftly
excised).

I see the follow up, now, I failed to see it before. Since I don't

crosspost

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and play games of follows up, I did not see it.

I have a question.....

I have an answer.

The problem is now cleared up.

Your queston is pathetic, as usual.

Jan