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  1. Hello,

    The Naturopathic Public Awareness Campaign (NPAC) is a grass roots
    organization committed to securing licensure for naturopathic doctors
    in all 50 states. The vision of dedicated naturopathic students at
    Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine in Tempe, Arizona, this
    organization has already demonstrated what desire, focus and
    organization can do by spearheading successful efforts to secure
    licensing in California. With this momentum, NPAC is prepared to
    assist Florida, Washington D.C., New York and many other states who
    have legislation in place and just need support and back-up to make
    licensure a reality.

    Why is licensing important?

    Licensing protects doctors and patients. It provides for regulation
    that insures safe practice and allows patients to make
    informeddecisions about their health care. Naturopathic doctors attend
    a post-baccalaureate four year medical program that prepares them to
    provide primary health care. The philosophy guiding this health care
    is 1) First, Do No Harm, 2) The Healing Power of Nature, 3) Discover
    and Treat the Cause, 4) Treat the Whole Person, 5) The Physician as
    Teacher, and 6) Prevention is the Best Cure. Guided by this
    philosophy, Naturopathic Doctors offer choices in health management
    that extend beyond prescriptions and surgery to include botanical
    medicine, homeopathy, mind/body work, physical medicine, hydrotherapy,
    traditional Chinese medicine, and other modalities uniquely tailored
    to the individual's need.

    On April 17th, 2004, NPAC is hosting a fundraising event to offset the
    costs of raising awareness for Naturopathic Licensing.

    Activities will include a live auction for valuable prizes and a
    raffle where you have better than a 1 in 54 chance of winning. If you
    just can't be there, you still have a chance to win and support this
    important cause by purchasing raffle tickets in advance online. Only
    2,000 raffle tickets will be sold for a price of $25.00 per ticket.
    Over $6000 in prizes will be given away and include a seven day resort
    vacation valued at $1,750, an $800 sports entertainment package, fine
    jewelry, professional health care services, golf pro lessons, gift
    certificates to restaurants and specialty stores, acupuncture and
    massage sessions, decorator items, fitness training, tickets to
    sporting events and much more.

    Visit www.globalnpac.org for more information.

  2. "Jason Jensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,

    The Naturopathic Public Awareness Campaign (NPAC) is a grass roots
    organization committed to securing licensure for naturopathic doctors
    in all 50 states. The vision of dedicated naturopathic students at
    Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine in Tempe, Arizona, this
    organization has already demonstrated what desire, focus and
    organization can do by spearheading successful efforts to secure
    licensing in California. With this momentum, NPAC is prepared to
    assist Florida, Washington D.C., New York and many other states who
    have legislation in place and just need support and back-up to make
    licensure a reality.

    Why is licensing important?

    Licensing protects doctors and patients. It provides for regulation
    that insures safe practice and allows patients to make
    informeddecisions about their health care. Naturopathic doctors attend
    a post-baccalaureate four year medical program that prepares them to
    provide primary health care. The philosophy guiding this health care
    is 1) First, Do No Harm, 2) The Healing Power of Nature, 3) Discover
    and Treat the Cause, 4) Treat the Whole Person, 5) The Physician as
    Teacher, and 6) Prevention is the Best Cure. Guided by this
    philosophy, Naturopathic Doctors offer choices in health management
    that extend beyond prescriptions and surgery to include botanical
    medicine, homeopathy, mind/body work, physical medicine, hydrotherapy,
    traditional Chinese medicine, and other modalities uniquely tailored
    to the individual's need.

    On April 17th, 2004, NPAC is hosting a fundraising event to offset the
    costs of raising awareness for Naturopathic Licensing.

    Activities will include a live auction for valuable prizes and a
    raffle where you have better than a 1 in 54 chance of winning. If you
    just can't be there, you still have a chance to win and support this
    important cause by purchasing raffle tickets in advance online. Only
    2,000 raffle tickets will be sold for a price of $25.00 per ticket.
    Over $6000 in prizes will be given away and include a seven day resort
    vacation valued at $1,750, an $800 sports entertainment package, fine
    jewelry, professional health care services, golf pro lessons, gift
    certificates to restaurants and specialty stores, acupuncture and
    massage sessions, decorator items, fitness training, tickets to
    sporting events and much more.

    Visit www.globalnpac.org for more information.


    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??

    licensing protects the consumer....insuring that said licensee has completed
    sucessfully an accredited program

    ie did not get their "degree" mailorder or from a matchbook cover...(it
    happens)...

    hawki.....

  4. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 9:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    Quoted message said:
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    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    I do not see it....

    what I do see is that perhaps you are one of those many calling themselves
    "doctor"...when they have a mailorder degree...thus you are threatened by these
    regs that require you to submit proof of accredited educational preparation..

    hawki.....

  6. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??

    licensing protects the consumer....insuring that said licensee has


    completed

    Quoted message said:

    sucessfully an accredited program

    ie did not get their "degree" mailorder or from a matchbook cover...(it
    happens)...

    Ask Not-a-real-doctor Hulda Clark

  7. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 9:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >

    Quoted message said:

    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    I do not see it....

    what I do see is that perhaps you are one of those many calling themselves
    "doctor"...when they have a mailorder degree...thus you are threatened by


    these

    Quoted message said:

    regs that require you to submit proof of accredited educational


    preparation..

    Quoted message said:

    hawki.....


    Please pay close attention now........ I do not call myself anything. I do
    not feel the need to prop up a weak self-esteem with titles. I do not feel
    the need for whining to the world about some "unwashed" { non-licensed
    person }getting part of the ever expanding medicine market .
    I trust my own decisions about most things. When I feel the need for outside
    opinion, I try to get as wide a spectrum as possible.
    Licensing puts all on the same level. That level must be low enough for a
    sufficient number to pass, to supply expanding need for medical help. If you
    do not think that is a fool-proof formula for mediocrity, please tell what
    might be.
    In medicine like in most every other thing, I have found the "word of mouth"
    method to work best. If someone is good at what they do, word will get
    around.
    If not,
    you can depend on the "licensing" system. No recommendations needed, just a
    paper. No thank you.

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 2:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I do not call myself anything. I do
    not feel the need to prop up a

    Quoted message said:

    Please pay close attention now........ I do not call myself anything. I

    OK...so if you are not one of "them"...what is the problem??

    Quoted message said:

    I do
    not feel the need to prop up a weak self-esteem with titles.


    requiring documentation of educational preparation is "propping up a weak self
    esteem??""

    no no...it is protecting the consumer from charlatans

    Quoted message said:

    Licensing puts all on the same level. That level must be low enough for a
    sufficient number to pass, to supply expanding need for medical help. If you
    do not think that is a fool-proof formula for mediocrity, please tell what

    licensing protects the consumer from charlatans...and uneducated imbeciles that
    tack on letters after their name to boost THEIR self esteem

    you may well be intelligent enough to sort the wheat from the
    chaff...unfortunately many cannot

    thus licensing comes in

    BTW...how do you figure "levels must be low enough??"

    what licensure does . is to require ALL to have a specific number of
    courses,,credits..experience or whatever to demonstrate that they at LEAST have
    been educated to the "level" required for minimal competency..

    without licensure the Hulda Clarks of the world would proliferate

    Quoted message said:

    , I have found the "word of mouth"
    method to work best. If someone is good at what they do, word will get
    around.

    so.....you think "word of mouth" suffices when choosing a surgeon to do your
    kid's liver transplant??

    yikes...you have more of a problem than I thought

    Quoted message said:

    No recommendations needed, just a
    paper. No thank you.

    a. the paper comes first

    b. then get "word of mouth" recommendations

    it's your choice...
    hawki.....

  9. Why can't the consumer ask the person where/when the person became a whatever
    kind of doctor, (naturopathic), and then make a judgment as to whether to go to
    this person? The answer would have to be honest, unless the person was
    fraudulent. Commiting fraud is already against the law.

    Pauline

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There is a hologram of
    the rock within the wave that comes forward and crashes on the beach, then
    there's a reflected wave back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 2:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I do not call myself anything. I do
    not feel the need to prop up a

    Quoted message said:

    Please pay close attention now........ I do not call myself anything. I

    OK...so if you are not one of "them"...what is the problem??

    Them? Whats a "them"?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I do
    not feel the need to prop up a weak self-esteem with titles.

    Quoted message said:

    requiring documentation of educational preparation is "propping up a weak


    self

    Quoted message said:

    esteem??""

    In most cases, yes.

    Quoted message said:


    no no...it is protecting the consumer from charlatans

    NO it is NOT! Many of the "charlitans" have "licensure".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Licensing puts all on the same level. That level must be low enough for a
    sufficient number to pass, to supply expanding need for medical help. If


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do not think that is a fool-proof formula for mediocrity, please tell


    what

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    licensing protects the consumer from charlatans...and uneducated imbeciles


    that

    Quoted message said:

    tack on letters after their name to boost THEIR self esteem


    Um, I see many "educated" imbeciles with letters tacked to their name. AND
    they will proudly show them to you.

    Quoted message said:

    you may well be intelligent enough to sort the wheat from the
    chaff...unfortunately many cannot


    And so they become the prey of the licenced charlatans

    Quoted message said:


    thus licensing comes in

    BTW...how do you figure "levels must be low enough??"

    what licensure does . is to require ALL to have a specific number of
    courses,,credits..experience or whatever to demonstrate that they at LEAST


    have

    Quoted message said:

    been educated to the "level" required for minimal competency..


    Three very important words, "LEAST" and "minimal competency"

    Quoted message said:

    without licensure the Hulda Clarks of the world would proliferate

    I think that if you look around, they do. So?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    , I have found the "word of mouth"
    method to work best. If someone is good at what they do, word will get
    around.

    so.....you think "word of mouth" suffices when choosing a surgeon to do


    your

    Quoted message said:

    kid's liver transplant??

    I think that talking with the people that said surgeon has worked on, might
    be a very good idea, yes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No recommendations needed, just a
    paper. No thank you.

    a. the paper comes first


    For you perhaps.

    Quoted message said:


    b. then get "word of mouth" recommendations

    it's your choice...


    At last, something we can agree on.

    Quoted message said:

    hawki.....

  11. In article said:


    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 4/5/2004 8:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain

    thanks....I didn't think so...but thought I would try....

    hawki.....

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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    >From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    >Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.

    care to explain that off the wall statement??


    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David Wright and friends.

  14. Quoted message said:

    Why can't the consumer ask the person where/when the person became a whatever
    kind of doctor, (naturopathic), and then make a judgment as to whether to go
    to
    this person?

    Why can't the consumer ask the person where/when the person became a whatever
    kind of Law Enforcement Agent, Judge, Airline Pilot, or Nuclear Plant Safety
    Inspector and then make a judgment as to whether this person should arrest,
    sentance, or fly people?

    Why should we even license people to drive a car? Isn't that less complicated
    than medicine? Aren't an overwhelming majority of adults able to do that while
    far less are capable of being competent health care professionals? Is it a
    good idea to dispense with drivers licenses and certification? How about
    pilots? How about Harbor Pilots?

    Quoted message said:

    The answer would have to be honest, unless the person was
    fraudulent. Commiting fraud is already against the law.

    Duh. Having completed a significant training program, acquired clinical
    experience, and passed licensure, a person has been checked out on several
    levels. This vetting process is not perfect, but it is clearly superior to NO
    vetting process. A licensed person has placed themselves under scrutiny,
    performed under observation, and has staked their PROFESSIONAL reputation and
    career on the quality of their work.

    Quoted message said:

    Pauline

    Would you like to have freelance law enforcement?

    Quoted message said:

    BL

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    > >From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    > >Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    > >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    > >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >
    > care to explain that off the wall statement??
    If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.


    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David Wright and friends.

    Medtools, you get nuttier all the time. Your response makes no sense
    at all. Too much urine drinking, no doubt.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >news:[email hidden]...
    >> >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    >> >From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    >> >Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    >> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >>
    >> >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >>
    >> care to explain that off the wall statement??
    >If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.

    Translation: no, he can't explain it.


    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David Wright and


    friends.

    Quoted message said:


    Medtools, you get nuttier all the time. Your response makes no sense
    at all. Too much urine drinking, no doubt.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)


    Understanding that it may be hard for you to be objective about this, but
    you are mediocre. You do not stand out from the crowd. You are not the best,
    you are dull and gray. You are one of the mediocre licensed. You like to
    think that you think. You do not think, you memorize others thinking and
    then spout off about it.
    As to my urine, I would not waste it by urinating on you if you were in
    flames.

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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
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    > >
    > >"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email hidden]...
    > >> >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    > >> >From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    > >> >Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    > >> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    > >>
    > >> >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    > >>
    > >> care to explain that off the wall statement??
    > >If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.
    >
    > Translation: no, he can't explain it.
    >
    Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David Wright and


    friends.

    Quoted message said:


    Medtools, you get nuttier all the time. Your response makes no sense
    at all. Too much urine drinking, no doubt.


    Understanding that it may be hard for you to be objective about this, but
    you are mediocre. You do not stand out from the crowd. You are not the best,
    you are dull and gray. You are one of the mediocre licensed.

    What sort of license is it you're claiming I hold?

    Quoted message said:

    You like to think that you think. You do not think, you memorize
    others thinking and then spout off about it.

    I think that it's good that most of my postings, unlike yours, do not
    consist of idiotic one-line replies.

    Quoted message said:

    As to my urine, I would not waste it by urinating on you if you were
    in flames.

    I realize you think it's very valuable.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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    In article <[email hidden]>, mdd <[email hidden]>


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    >> >
    >> >"Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >> >> >Subject: Re: Naturopathic Licensure
    >> >> >From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    >> >> >Date: 4/5/2004 5:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    >> >> >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >> >>
    >> >> >Licensing guaranties mediocrity.
    >> >>
    >> >> care to explain that off the wall statement??
    >> >If you do not see it, I cannot help you with your blindness.
    >>
    >> Translation: no, he can't explain it.
    >>
    >Detailed Glaring explanation...................... David Wright and


    friends.

    Quoted message said:


    > >>


    Understanding that it may be hard for you to be objective about this, but
    you are mediocre. You do not stand out from the crowd. You are not the


    best,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you are dull and gray. You are one of the mediocre licensed.

    Quoted message said:

    You like to think that you think. You do not think, you memorize
    others thinking and then spout off about it.

    Quoted message said:


    As to my urine, I would not waste it by urinating on you if you were
    in flames.

    Quoted message said:

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