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  1. Sometimes you just gotta go for it. Sunday was definitely one of those
    days.

    Greg and I met at his new digs, not in any hurry to get going. After a
    cup of java, some map study and a little pre-ride BS, we headed up into
    the San Gabriels, ready for a great day of riding.

    The sky was much bluer above the prevalent marine layer/smog mix that
    resides in the LA Basin. It's no wonder Drake called Santa Monica
    Bay the Bay of Smokes. The temperatures from bottom to top were pretty
    consistent with the usual when gaining elevation, dropping about two
    degrees for every thousand feet gained. The parking area was bustling
    with activity, not from the many eager outdoorsy types I expected, but
    with a strange array of motorcyclists, tree-hugging hikers and a huge
    gathering of neo-hippies who were engaged in some sort of new age
    gathering, complete with handcrafted hippy items for sale and strange
    flute music that sounded like Ian Anderson on a handful of Quaaludes.
    It was all very entertaining and I'm sure the people-watching
    throughout the gathering would have been as epic as our intended route
    for the day.

    The route was carefully hand-selected and approved by all parties in
    attendance. Our initial section was intended to bypass a few miles of
    very busy mountain highway. It was to be singletrack, to relatively
    unused singletrack, to primitive doubletrack, to a gated/paved road.
    That said, it started out on a well-used and popular singletrack route,
    which was really nice as well as a perfect grade for my 2:1
    singlespeed. The grade on the climb was just about as perfect for the
    conditions as one could hop for. The oak-shaded sections were
    especially nice, as the Sun was starting to warm things up a bit.

    As the main trail took a steep turn up, our route turned into the
    relatively unused singletrack. That turned out to be a bit of an
    understatement, but still seemed a lot better than the prospect of an
    acne-addled 20-something on an overpowered rice rocket careening into
    us on the road. There was a little walking to be done and riding
    in-between, but the initial part was not too bad. Things slowly but
    surely worsened as we got deeper into the primitive and unkempt trail.
    The almost impassable rockfalls became more frequent as did the young
    yucca plants, the latter spiking us in the legs from time to time while
    riding or portaging by them. Eventually, the dastardly spikes at the
    end of the yucca leaves took their toll on our tires as well, rendering
    our hike/ride into just a hike.

    With both bikes double-flatted, we pressed on, agreeing to fix the
    tires as soon as we broke free of the spiky confines riddled throughout
    the chosen route. The brush was so thick in some places it pushed us
    out to the edge of the sidecut, giving us only inches to make our way.
    Some of the rockfalls were somewhat perilous as well, leaving us to
    boulder-hop with sidehill exposure. I was glad to have the 23 pound
    singlespeed and was a bit concerned for Greg because he was lugging his
    5 Spot through the same stuff. We both made it out ok in due time,
    especially when we recognized the flat that the primitive doubletrack
    we were headed for ran across.

    Once on the doubletack, it was time to find some shade and get to fixin
    flats. I had one spare tube and Greg had two, so we had a good start.
    Greg had a total of twelve Rema patches and I had five no-glue type
    patches, so we knew we would be riding out. I suggested that we assess
    the tubes to see which had the fewest holes so we didn't waste
    patches on the tubes that had the most punctures. So, we began to pull
    wheels off and see if we could count the spikes in our tires before and
    after pulling the tubes out. The multi-pliers got a workout, being the
    best tool available for pulling the dreaded spikes out. My front tire
    had about six and back had about eight that were the most readily
    apparent. Greg counted about eight per tire, but after running my
    do-rag through the inside of the tubes, I found a few more spikes in
    his tires as well as in my tires. It was the worst pincuhsioning of
    bicycle tires that I have ever witnessed in my 38 years of cycling,
    which that includes a few goathead patch incidents. My front tube had
    only four readily apparent holes, two of which were close enough
    together to use the one super-sized Rema patch, so I dropped that one
    in the front wheel and put the new spare in the rear wheel. Greg
    attempted to patch one of his pincushions, but was not successful, even
    after using eight patches on it, so he finally conceded to dropping
    both of his new spare tubes into his wheels.

    Finally back on the trail, it was time to ride a little. The first bit
    was on the dirt and it was really nice to be rolling again. The route
    took us through what appeared to be an old CCC camp that was being used
    by the forest circus for something or another. We hit a gate and
    started dropping down a worn pavement road that had a strange alligator
    skin pattern to it from lack of a fresh macadam cap for about the last
    ten years or so. It was very cool looking...for pavement. It wasn't
    long before we found ourselves back on the highway, using it to jog
    over to the much anticipated singletrack drop that was the highlight of
    the route. We luckily had enough shoulder to ride on and little
    traffic to contend with on the road, which was a pleasant surprise.

    The singletrack drop started out very steep and loose, which wasn't
    much of a problem because we both run big tires (when they're not
    flat). The switchbacks were very tight and we both would have had to
    been completely on top of our game to clean them, so the dabs happened.
    After the trail hit a fire road, it commenced with the steepness,
    though not as much, but still with some very tight switchbacks. The
    switchbacks weren't huge technical as much as they were tight
    technical, requiring complete precision and a definite "A-Game" to
    clean them. As the trail flattened out a little, the exposure
    increased, though the switchbacks now opened up a bit. I stopped to
    snap one photo of Greg turning a rocky and exposed corner, jumping back
    on the bike and pedaling on to catch up. It didn't take long because
    when I turned the corner, Greg was issuing an expletive to his rear
    tire as it was flatting from another spiking, obviously caused by an
    increase in yuccas this particular section.

    There was no debate. It was time to wave the white flag because all we
    had left was five no-glue patches and we were both now running low on
    water as well. Greg walked the trip back up to the highway and I rode
    here and there, gauging lines on a few of the switchbacks and even
    giving a couple of them a second whirl. That was until I noticed my
    front tire going a little flat, apparently from a very slow leak I
    missed on the initial patch-o-rama. All that took was a quick pump-up
    and hope for it to really be a very slow leak. It turned out that Greg
    got spiked two more times and the no-glues were applied within a few
    minutes and it was time to hit the highway for a few miles.

    The highway ride was more uneventful than we could have hoped, only
    getting buzzed by one car that was of course a mid-life crisis driving
    a Corvette. Back at the parking lot, the Ian Anderson wannabe was
    still at it, sounding like a second fistful of 'ludes had been
    dropped and chased with a gallon of Ripple. Needless to say, we
    skedaddled rather quickly and headed down into the haze.

    Looking back, I would not have changed a thing about that ride. Sure,
    it was sketchy at times, as well as a bummer that we didn't get to
    ride the whole route. The fact of the matter is that we were out
    there, took the chance to have an adventure, and made it out in one
    piece, thanks to a combination of skill, experience and common sense.
    It sure beats a typical American male Sunday of sitting n the couch,
    gorging oneself and watching a bunch of overpaid athletes try to kill
    each other in vain because there is too much plastic armor on any of
    them to really do the job.

    JD

  2. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Sometimes you just gotta go for it. Sunday was definitely one of those
    days.

    Greg and I met at his new digs, not in any hurry to get going. After a
    cup of java, some map study and a little pre-ride BS, we headed up into
    the San Gabriels, ready for a great day of riding.

    The sky was much bluer above the prevalent marine layer/smog mix that
    resides in the LA Basin. It's no wonder Drake called Santa Monica
    Bay the Bay of Smokes. The temperatures from bottom to top were pretty
    consistent with the usual when gaining elevation, dropping about two
    degrees for every thousand feet gained. The parking area was bustling
    with activity, not from the many eager outdoorsy types I expected, but
    with a strange array of motorcyclists, tree-hugging hikers and a huge
    gathering of neo-hippies who were engaged in some sort of new age
    gathering, complete with handcrafted hippy items for sale and strange
    flute music that sounded like Ian Anderson on a handful of Quaaludes.
    It was all very entertaining and I'm sure the people-watching
    throughout the gathering would have been as epic as our intended route
    for the day.

    The route was carefully hand-selected and approved by all parties in
    attendance. Our initial section was intended to bypass a few miles of
    very busy mountain highway. It was to be singletrack, to relatively
    unused singletrack, to primitive doubletrack, to a gated/paved road.
    That said, it started out on a well-used and popular singletrack route,
    which was really nice as well as a perfect grade for my 2:1
    singlespeed. The grade on the climb was just about as perfect for the
    conditions as one could hop for. The oak-shaded sections were
    especially nice, as the Sun was starting to warm things up a bit.

    As the main trail took a steep turn up, our route turned into the
    relatively unused singletrack. That turned out to be a bit of an
    understatement, but still seemed a lot better than the prospect of an
    acne-addled 20-something on an overpowered rice rocket careening into
    us on the road. There was a little walking to be done and riding
    in-between, but the initial part was not too bad. Things slowly but
    surely worsened as we got deeper into the primitive and unkempt trail.
    The almost impassable rockfalls became more frequent as did the young
    yucca plants, the latter spiking us in the legs from time to time while
    riding or portaging by them. Eventually, the dastardly spikes at the
    end of the yucca leaves took their toll on our tires as well, rendering
    our hike/ride into just a hike.

    With both bikes double-flatted, we pressed on, agreeing to fix the
    tires as soon as we broke free of the spiky confines riddled throughout
    the chosen route. The brush was so thick in some places it pushed us
    out to the edge of the sidecut, giving us only inches to make our way.
    Some of the rockfalls were somewhat perilous as well, leaving us to
    boulder-hop with sidehill exposure. I was glad to have the 23 pound
    singlespeed and was a bit concerned for Greg because he was lugging his
    5 Spot through the same stuff. We both made it out ok in due time,
    especially when we recognized the flat that the primitive doubletrack
    we were headed for ran across.

    Once on the doubletack, it was time to find some shade and get to fixin
    flats. I had one spare tube and Greg had two, so we had a good start.
    Greg had a total of twelve Rema patches and I had five no-glue type
    patches, so we knew we would be riding out. I suggested that we assess
    the tubes to see which had the fewest holes so we didn't waste
    patches on the tubes that had the most punctures. So, we began to pull
    wheels off and see if we could count the spikes in our tires before and
    after pulling the tubes out. The multi-pliers got a workout, being the
    best tool available for pulling the dreaded spikes out. My front tire
    had about six and back had about eight that were the most readily
    apparent. Greg counted about eight per tire, but after running my
    do-rag through the inside of the tubes, I found a few more spikes in
    his tires as well as in my tires. It was the worst pincuhsioning of
    bicycle tires that I have ever witnessed in my 38 years of cycling,
    which that includes a few goathead patch incidents. My front tube had
    only four readily apparent holes, two of which were close enough
    together to use the one super-sized Rema patch, so I dropped that one
    in the front wheel and put the new spare in the rear wheel. Greg
    attempted to patch one of his pincushions, but was not successful, even
    after using eight patches on it, so he finally conceded to dropping
    both of his new spare tubes into his wheels.

    Finally back on the trail, it was time to ride a little. The first bit
    was on the dirt and it was really nice to be rolling again. The route
    took us through what appeared to be an old CCC camp that was being used
    by the forest circus for something or another. We hit a gate and
    started dropping down a worn pavement road that had a strange alligator
    skin pattern to it from lack of a fresh macadam cap for about the last
    ten years or so. It was very cool looking...for pavement. It wasn't
    long before we found ourselves back on the highway, using it to jog
    over to the much anticipated singletrack drop that was the highlight of
    the route. We luckily had enough shoulder to ride on and little
    traffic to contend with on the road, which was a pleasant surprise.

    The singletrack drop started out very steep and loose, which wasn't
    much of a problem because we both run big tires (when they're not
    flat). The switchbacks were very tight and we both would have had to
    been completely on top of our game to clean them, so the dabs happened.
    After the trail hit a fire road, it commenced with the steepness,
    though not as much, but still with some very tight switchbacks. The
    switchbacks weren't huge technical as much as they were tight
    technical, requiring complete precision and a definite "A-Game" to
    clean them. As the trail flattened out a little, the exposure
    increased, though the switchbacks now opened up a bit. I stopped to
    snap one photo of Greg turning a rocky and exposed corner, jumping back
    on the bike and pedaling on to catch up. It didn't take long because
    when I turned the corner, Greg was issuing an expletive to his rear
    tire as it was flatting from another spiking, obviously caused by an
    increase in yuccas this particular section.

    There was no debate. It was time to wave the white flag because all we
    had left was five no-glue patches and we were both now running low on
    water as well. Greg walked the trip back up to the highway and I rode
    here and there, gauging lines on a few of the switchbacks and even
    giving a couple of them a second whirl. That was until I noticed my
    front tire going a little flat, apparently from a very slow leak I
    missed on the initial patch-o-rama. All that took was a quick pump-up
    and hope for it to really be a very slow leak. It turned out that Greg
    got spiked two more times and the no-glues were applied within a few
    minutes and it was time to hit the highway for a few miles.

    The highway ride was more uneventful than we could have hoped, only
    getting buzzed by one car that was of course a mid-life crisis driving
    a Corvette. Back at the parking lot, the Ian Anderson wannabe was
    still at it, sounding like a second fistful of 'ludes had been
    dropped and chased with a gallon of Ripple. Needless to say, we
    skedaddled rather quickly and headed down into the haze.

    Looking back, I would not have changed a thing about that ride. Sure,
    it was sketchy at times, as well as a bummer that we didn't get to
    ride the whole route.

    <snip> (RR should've ended here...) no need in the bringing out the preacher
    man!!

  3. JD said:

    Sometimes you just gotta go for it.

    yep.

    Quoted message said:

    The parking area was bustling
    with activity, not from the many eager outdoorsy types I expected, but
    with a strange array of motorcyclists, tree-hugging hikers and a huge
    gathering of neo-hippies who were engaged in some sort of new age
    gathering, complete with handcrafted hippy items for sale and strange
    flute music that sounded like Ian Anderson on a handful of Quaaludes.

    damn, there's a drug you don't hear much talk about anymore.

    Quoted message said:

    Eventually, the dastardly spikes at the
    end of the yucca leaves took their toll on our tires as well, rendering
    our hike/ride into just a hike.

    what the hell are yuccas...they sound and must feel brutal!

    Quoted message said:

    It was the worst pincuhsioning of
    bicycle tires that I have ever witnessed in my 38 years of cycling,

    at least you and Greg were prepared...

    Quoted message said:

    There was no debate. It was time to wave the white flag because all we
    had left was five no-glue patches and we were both now running low on
    water as well.

    ...holy cr@p JD and Original Prankster waving the white! what has the
    world come to?

    Quoted message said:

    Back at the parking lot, the Ian Anderson wannabe was
    still at it, sounding like a second fistful of 'ludes had been
    dropped and chased with a gallon of Ripple.

    ....ida luv'd 2 c that 1...

    Quoted message said:

    It sure beats a typical American male Sunday of sitting n the couch,
    gorging oneself and watching a bunch of overpaid athletes try to kill
    each other in vain because there is too much plastic armor on any of
    them to really do the job.

    DK's Jock-O-Rama...

    Quoted message said:


    JD

    I'm not sure who's version is better Greg's or yours.

    nice,
    bill

    The First law, Inertia: Unless acted upon by an outside force,
    a body at rest tends to stay at rest,
    and a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
    Sir Isaac Newton

  4. "Bill Wheeler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JD said:

    Eventually, the dastardly spikes at the
    end of the yucca leaves took their toll on our tires as well, rendering
    our hike/ride into just a hike.

    what the hell are yuccas...they sound and must feel brutal!

    http://www.infomotions.com/gallery/heart-of-texas/Pages/DSCN0337.shtml

    When they're that size the edges of the blades are like hacksaws and the
    needles aren't very sharp. But when they're only 12" to 18" tall the
    needles are like the needles they use at the doctor's office to get a blood
    sample. I felt one sliding into me and by the time I stopped walking it
    must have penetrated 2" next to my shinbone. Thankfully they're not barbed
    so I backed up and it slid right back out. But a couple of minutes later I
    had a golf ball size lump where it had punctured my leg. My legs and feet
    are covered with dozens of puncture wounds. I have a feeling I'm going to
    sprout into a yucca one of these days.

    Greg

  5. G.T. said:

    "Bill Wheeler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JD said:

    Eventually, the dastardly spikes at the
    end of the yucca leaves took their toll on our tires as well, rendering
    our hike/ride into just a hike.

    what the hell are yuccas...they sound and must feel brutal!

    http://www.infomotions.com/gallery/heart-of-texas/Pages/DSCN0337.shtml

    When they're that size the edges of the blades are like hacksaws and the
    needles aren't very sharp. But when they're only 12" to 18" tall the
    needles are like the needles they use at the doctor's office to get a blood
    sample. I felt one sliding into me and by the time I stopped walking it
    must have penetrated 2" next to my shinbone. Thankfully they're not barbed
    so I backed up and it slid right back out. But a couple of minutes later I
    had a golf ball size lump where it had punctured my leg. My legs and feet
    are covered with dozens of puncture wounds. I have a feeling I'm going to
    sprout into a yucca one of these days.

    Greg

    As a kid, I knew the small yuccas without the stalk in the middle as
    "[censored] bushes" because those little [censored] hurt when they stuck
    you.

    I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was. I'm ready to
    go hit that drop-in we didn't get to finish. After starting a new yob
    last week and getting new digs this week, I'll be ready to hit the
    dusty trail the weekend after next on Saturday and Sunday. For
    weeknights, it's time to charge the light...

    JD bicycle commuting again!

  6. JD said:

    I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.

    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless slime"
    seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more in there; held
    ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

  7. Bill Sornson said:
    JD said:

    I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.


    I liked both accounts.

    Quoted message said:


    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless slime"
    seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more in there; held
    ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

    We get smaller yuccas here that still hurt like hell when you get poked,
    but usually don;t puncture tires. Those and prickly pears are the
    sharpest things (besides shot up glass from the rednecks) I typically
    encounter on the trail. A tire full of prickly pear spines is a huge PIA
    because you have to find and pull them all out or any new tubes will go
    flat. They can be really hard to find and I've retired tires early
    because of them.

    Matt

  8. MattB said:
    Bill Sornson said:
    JD said:

    I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.

    I liked both accounts.

    Quoted message said:


    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless
    slime" seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more
    in there; held ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

    We get smaller yuccas here that still hurt like hell when you get poked,
    but usually don;t puncture tires. Those and prickly pears are the
    sharpest things (besides shot up glass from the rednecks) I typically
    encounter on the trail. A tire full of prickly pear spines is a huge PIA
    because you have to find and pull them all out or any new tubes will go
    flat. They can be really hard to find and I've retired tires early
    because of them.

    Matt

    We get hypodermic needles, broken bottles, and assorted shanks here.
    Does that count?

    🙂

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  9. G.T. said:

    "Bill Wheeler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JD said:

    Eventually, the dastardly spikes at the
    end of the yucca leaves took their toll on our tires as well, rendering
    our hike/ride into just a hike.

    what the hell are yuccas...they sound and must feel brutal!

    http://www.infomotions.com/gallery/heart-of-texas/Pages/DSCN0337.shtml

    When they're that size the edges of the blades are like hacksaws and the
    needles aren't very sharp. But when they're only 12" to 18" tall the
    needles are like the needles they use at the doctor's office to get a blood
    sample. I felt one sliding into me and by the time I stopped walking it
    must have penetrated 2" next to my shinbone. Thankfully they're not barbed
    so I backed up and it slid right back out. But a couple of minutes later I
    had a golf ball size lump where it had punctured my leg. My legs and feet
    are covered with dozens of puncture wounds. I have a feeling I'm going to
    sprout into a yucca one of these days.

    Greg

    Madre!
    Shoulda dropped some ludes and mellowed out in the parking lot, man.

    /s

  10. Bill Sornson said:
    JD said:

    I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.

    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless slime"
    seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more in there; held
    ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

    So, when are you coming up North to ride? We promise to not kill you
    or your tires...

    JD

  11. JD said:
    Bill Sornson said:
    JD said:

    I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.

    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless
    slime" seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more
    in there; held ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

    So, when are you coming up North to ride? We promise to not kill you
    or your tires...

    Shoot me an invite the next time you two "go epic" and I'll try to make it!
    (How far north are we talkin', anyway?)

    Bill "losing already minimal skills" S.

  12. "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    JD said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    JD wrote:
    > I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.

    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless
    slime" seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more
    in there; held ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

    So, when are you coming up North to ride? We promise to not kill you
    or your tires...

    Shoot me an invite the next time you two "go epic" and I'll try to make


    it!

    Quoted message said:

    (How far north are we talkin', anyway?)

    Oh, McKenzie River Trail this weekend. We're taking my private jet early
    Sat morning to Bend, OR. We'll ride McKenzie on Sat, and some Bend area
    trails on Sun before flying home. Just meet us at Burbank Airport Sat
    morning.....

    .....damn, waking up after a dream is very disappointing.

    Anyway, since anywhere in California is north to you we have plenty of
    options.

    Greg

  13. "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Oh, McKenzie River Trail this weekend. We're taking my private jet early


    Sat morning to Bend, OR. We'll ride McKenzie on Sat, and some Bend area
    trails on Sun before flying home. Just meet us at Burbank Airport Sat
    morning.....

    what, and you didn't invite me and Gab??

    Funny MRT story. We did it last year, with Mr Jerry Bone as our tour guide.
    This was a good thing, as at the bottom of Clear Lake, the trail sign points
    the wrong way. It points right, but that takes you back up the other side of
    the lake to where you came from.
    Hubby of my good friend went down there with his buddiess, and I told them "
    Go the other way at the sign, you need to left and not right". Well, did
    they pay any attention to me? Of course not. The wife, my good friend let it
    out that she had to give them an I told you so.

    Quoted message said:


    ....damn, waking up after a dream is very disappointing.

    it was a good one. Better than my nightmare about people stealing my
    shopping cart at the supermarket...

    penny

  14. Bill Sornson said:
    JD said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    JD wrote:
    > I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.

    My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).

    Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless
    slime" seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more
    in there; held ever since.)

    Bill "I hate flats" S.

    So, when are you coming up North to ride? We promise to not kill you
    or your tires...

    Shoot me an invite the next time you two "go epic" and I'll try to make it!
    (How far north are we talkin', anyway?)

    Bill "losing already minimal skills" S.

    Maybe we should plan for something good for the 7th or 8th of Oct? I'd
    kinda like to hit one of the more difficult trails in the Santa Anas on
    my pig bike. It's all fireroad climb and almost all of the descent is
    singletrack.

    JD

    JD

  15. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Bill Sornson said:
    JD said:

    Bill Sornson wrote:
    > JD wrote:
    >> I just read Greg's account and a fine depiction it was.
    >
    > My server must have dropped it? Never saw it (or any replies).
    >
    > Must say, you guys sure attract your share of [censored]! (My "tubless
    > slime" seems to be working; had one hole leak and squooged some more
    > in there; held ever since.)
    >
    > Bill "I hate flats" S.

    So, when are you coming up North to ride? We promise to not kill you
    or your tires...

    Shoot me an invite the next time you two "go epic" and I'll try to make


    it!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (How far north are we talkin', anyway?)

    Bill "losing already minimal skills" S.

    Maybe we should plan for something good for the 7th or 8th of Oct? I'd
    kinda like to hit one of the more difficult trails in the Santa Anas on
    my pig bike. It's all fireroad climb and almost all of the descent is
    singletrack.

    Sounds good to me. Joplin?

    Although I just saw this:

    "The autonomous robotic vehicles began competing Wednesday in the first of a
    series of qualifying rounds at the California Speedway. Half will advance to
    the Oct. 8 starting line of the so-called Grand Challenge. The grueling,
    weeklong semifinals are designed to test the vehicles' ability to cover a
    roughly 2-mile stretch of the track without a human driver or remote
    control. Participants ranging from souped-up SUVs to military behemoths will
    be graded on how well they can self-drive on rough road, make sharp turns
    and avoid obstacles _ hay bales, trash cans, wrecked cars _ while relying on
    GPS navigation and sensors, radar, lasers and cameras that feed information
    to computers."

    I may head out to the Slash X Ranch for a desert ride on the 8th and to
    watch the carnage. My bro spectated last year and this year it sounds to be
    even more entertaining.

    Greg

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    Sometimes you just gotta go for it. Sunday was definitely one of those
    days.

    Jerry,

    Cool stuff. I've had experiences like the one you guys hooked into. You
    start out with a good plan and good
    friends then at some point on the journey you realize you may have made
    smarter choices in your life! By the time
    you're finally finished you realize you've created some outstanding memories
    and now have even BETTER
    friends!

    Marty

  17. The kind that need no special rims Slime it tubeless
    tires.

  18. Quoted message said:

    <snip> (RR should've ended here...) no need in the bringing out the
    preacher man!!

    To each their own I suppose. I couldn't imagine wasting an afternoon
    watching men play with each other on TV. Sounds kinda gay when you think
    about it.

  19. JohnH said:
    Quoted message said:

    <snip> (RR should've ended here...) no need in the bringing out the
    preacher man!!

    To each their own I suppose. I couldn't imagine wasting an afternoon
    watching men play with each other on TV. Sounds kinda gay when you think
    about it.

    Amen.

    Matt

  20. "JohnH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <snip> (RR should've ended here...) no need in the bringing out the
    preacher man!!

    To each their own I suppose. I couldn't imagine wasting an afternoon
    watching men play with each other on TV. Sounds kinda gay when you think
    about it.

    I wouldn't know, I don't get many homosexual thoughts....

    perhaps a couple guys playing around with themselves and their worn out
    rubbers out on the trail sounds pretty gay too....

    I guess it's all in how you word it, huh?

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