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  1. Hi,

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave him
    Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he ate in
    the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This did not
    make any sense to us.

    His ATC test was just under 7 and his fasting bg was 140. He was told to
    monitor his bg but she wouldn't say what to look for. She, the dietician,
    also didn't know or wouldn't to tell us what normal bg's are. She said it
    doesn't matter he is not normal anymore.

    He really isn't watching his diet. He will do LC for breakfast and pizza for
    supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all over the
    place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the day it
    dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to 159. His
    thyroid is normal.

    Any ideas where to begin? He is only 40 so to have this at such a young age
    does not seem good.

    Thanks

    Shari

  2. I'm one of many on here who have improved HbA1c by cutting carbs. For me,
    cutting out starches like rice and pasta were the big thing.

    I'm not sure what country you are in.

    My health service, Kaiser, told me to eat according to the old food pyramid,
    with lots of complex carbohydrates.

    "skizi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave


    him

    Quoted message said:

    Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he ate in
    the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This did


    not

    Quoted message said:

    make any sense to us.

    His ATC test was just under 7 and his fasting bg was 140. He was told to
    monitor his bg but she wouldn't say what to look for. She, the dietician,
    also didn't know or wouldn't to tell us what normal bg's are. She said it
    doesn't matter he is not normal anymore.

    He really isn't watching his diet. He will do LC for breakfast and pizza


    for

    Quoted message said:

    supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all over


    the

    Quoted message said:

    place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the day it
    dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to 159.


    His

    Quoted message said:

    thyroid is normal.

    Any ideas where to begin? He is only 40 so to have this at such a young


    age

    Quoted message said:

    does not seem good.

    Thanks

    Shari

  3. "skizi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi,
    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave
    him Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he
    ate in the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This
    did not make any sense to us.

    Quoted message said:

    His ATC test was just under 7 and his fasting bg was 140. He was told to
    monitor his bg but she wouldn't say what to look for. She, the dietician,
    also didn't know or wouldn't to tell us what normal bg's are. She said it
    doesn't matter he is not normal anymore.

    Quoted message said:

    He really isn't watching his diet. He will do LC for breakfast and pizza
    for supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all
    over the place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the
    day it dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to
    159. His thyroid is normal.

    Quoted message said:

    Any ideas where to begin? He is only 40 so to have this at such a young
    age does not seem good.

    I was diagnosed with diabetes about a year ago. Looking back I can honestly
    say that it was the healthiest thing that ever happened to me. It gave me
    the necessary motivation to make much needed changes in my life and has
    resulted in me and my family becoming much healthier. I've lost 100 lbs. and
    my wife and eldest daughter have each lost 40-50 lbs.

    The one single best piece of advice I got was to read and follow this link
    from the alt.support.diabetes newsgroup:

    http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

    It was following this advice that got my blood sugars under control - and
    the fact that eating to my meter was leading me to greatly reduce the carbs
    in my diet gave credibility to the whole low carb idea, about which I had
    previously been skeptical. Just following this advice got me down from 390
    to 335. Then I stalled for a couple of months and decided to be more
    purposefully low carb. So even though certain whole wheat breads did not
    spike me I eliminated them. Even though Dreamsfield pasta didn't spike me I
    eliminated it. I bought a digital kitchen scale and a computer program (Life
    Form) and started tracking everything I eat. I keep to 20-30 grams of carb
    (I subtract fiber) but I don't adhere to the Atkins induction food
    restrictions. The stall broke and I resumed losing weight.

    Along the way my Hba1c has gone from 6.4 to 6.9 (following the ADA dietary
    guidelines) to 5.7 to 5.4 to 5.1, currently (following the linked advice
    from Jennifer). My blood pressure has stabilised and my cholesterol numbers
    got much better. I went from 3 meds to 0 meds. My doctor, who had nattered
    at me about weight for years, is amazed because he never thought I could do
    it. I am his model diabetes patient, although I don't know if he would still
    feel that way if I told him how I was doing it. I have a dietary "don't ask
    don't tell" policy with him. I'll tell him if he asks, but I'm not bringing
    it up.

    The point is that getting diagnosed, while traumatic, is not the end of the
    world. It can be used as a jumping off point to a new future of better
    health and lower weight. A year ago I wouldn't have believed it but now I've
    lived it. Your husband can too.

    Rich

  4. "skizi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave
    him Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he
    ate in the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This
    did not make any sense to us.

    Dieticians are usually clueless : (

    Rich has already given you the best possible advice in that Newly Diagnosed
    link, but you might also want to get hold of Gretchen Becker's book, Type 2
    Diabetes; The First Year.

    The newsgroup alt.support.diabetes has a bunch of us around the 40 mark, as
    well as some seniors who've had it for years. He might want to hang out
    there, and ask the zillion questions that he'll have.

    Nicky.

    --
    A1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
    1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
    95/74/72Kg

  5. Looks like he's trying to kill himself.

    Good.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "skizi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    He really isn't watching his diet. He will do LC for breakfast and pizza
    for supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all
    over the place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the
    day it dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to
    159. His thyroid is normal.

  6. Get him this book or you get it and read it:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316093440/qid=1128346807/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-1356886-6652817?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution : A Complete Guide to Achieving
    Normal Blood Sugars (Hardcover)
    by Richard K. Bernstein

    It will save his life.

    TC

    skizi said:

    Hi,

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave him
    Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he ate in
    the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This did not
    make any sense to us.

    His ATC test was just under 7 and his fasting bg was 140. He was told to
    monitor his bg but she wouldn't say what to look for. She, the dietician,
    also didn't know or wouldn't to tell us what normal bg's are. She said it
    doesn't matter he is not normal anymore.

    He really isn't watching his diet. He will do LC for breakfast and pizza for
    supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all over the
    place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the day it
    dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to 159. His
    thyroid is normal.

    Any ideas where to begin? He is only 40 so to have this at such a young age
    does not seem good.

    Thanks

    Shari

  7. :>> Hi,
    :>>
    :>>
    :>>
    :>> My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor
    :>> gave him
    :>> Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he
    :>> ate in
    :>> the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This
    :>> did not
    :>> make any sense to us.

    Stupid-assed dietician.

    :>>
    :>>
    :>>
    :>> His ATC test was just under 7 and his fasting bg was 140. He was
    :>> told to
    :>> monitor his bg but she wouldn't say what to look for. She, the
    :>> dietician,
    :>> also didn't know or wouldn't to tell us what normal bg's are. She
    :>> said it
    :>> doesn't matter he is not normal anymore.
    :>>

    Nonsense. It does matter and it's very important that he aggressively pursue
    achieving normal BG levels.

    :>>
    :>>
    :>> He really isn't watching his diet.

    That's very bad news...

    He will do LC for breakfast and
    :>> pizza for
    :>> supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all
    :>> over the
    :>> place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the day
    :>> it
    :>> dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to
    :>> 159. His
    :>> thyroid is normal.
    :>>
    :>>
    :>>
    :>> Any ideas where to begin? He is only 40 so to have this at such a
    :>> young age
    :>> does not seem good.

    I was dx'ed at 23...I'm 47 now. I control my type 2 via diet and exercise.
    Low carb is the way to go. A1c is at 5, trigs at 47. No meds. It can be
    done.

    Remember, for many, type 2 is very easy to control and can have minimal
    impact of a person's life - if the person becomes compliant. If not, it will
    be a slow, but certain, killer. It is definitely not something to be toyed
    with. I strongly suggest you learn about low carb eating (and dieting, if
    needed) and that you get the books that others have suggested in thread.
    And be very, very careful about any advice you get from a "dietician".
    Argh!

  8. Quoted message said:

    Get him this book or you get it and read it:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316093440/qid=1128346807/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-1356886-6652817?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution : A Complete Guide to Achieving
    Normal Blood Sugars (Hardcover)
    by Richard K. Bernstein

    It will save his life.

    TC

    Read the reviews:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0316093440/qid=1128346807/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-1356886-6652817?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    TC

  9. Hi Skizi...

    It is confusing at first.

    I suggest you join us on alt.support.diabetes.

    But until then... here's the advice I give all those who are trying to
    get their diabetes under control:

    Sounds like you're planning a move to take control of your diabetes... good
    for you.

    There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin
    by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. You won't keel over
    today, you have time to experiment, test, learn, test and figure out just
    how your body and this disease are getting along. The most important
    thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

    More than most anything, what you eat will affect your diabetes and
    your blood glucose numbers.

    And more than anything you eat, carbs will affect your diabetes and
    your blood glucose numbers.

    So, the most important information you can begin to compile about
    yourself, is how your body handles carbs.

    This sounds like you would need a low carb food plan right?

    You don't... what you need to uncover is YOUR Personalized Carb Number.

    Which actually works better for most everyone. Because low to one
    person is wildly high to another, but waaaaay too low for someone
    else.

    Is low carb less than 30g a day? Is it anything less than the
    Pyramid reccomendations?

    Finding your Personalized Carb Number is easy.

    Here's how you can figure out your own Personalized Carb Number.

    The single biggest question a diabetic has to answer is:

    What do I eat?

    Unfortunately, the answer is pretty confusing.

    What confounds us all is the fact that different diabetics can get great
    results on wildly different food plans. Some of us here achieve
    great blood glucose control eating a high complex carbohydrate diet.
    Others find that anything over 75 - 100g of carbs a day is too
    much. Still others are somewhere in between.

    At the beginning all of us felt frustrated. We wanted to be handed
    THE way to eat, to ensure our continued health. But we all
    learned that there is no one way. Each of us had to find our own path,
    using the experience of those that went before, but still having
    to discover for ourselves how OUR bodies and this disease were coexisting.

    Ask questions, but remember each of us discovered on our own what works best
    for us. You can use our experiences as jumping off points, but eventually
    you'll work up a successful plan that is yours alone.

    What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm
    sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our
    Grandmas called "starches"😉 raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein
    and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're
    a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

    You might want to try some experiments.

    First: Eat whatever you've been
    currently eating... but write it all down.
    Test yourself at the following times:

    Upon waking (fasting)
    1 hour after each meal
    2 hours after each meal
    At bedtime

    That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long
    after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to
    "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or
    other carbs gives you a higher reading.

    Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs. Eliminate breads,
    cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all
    your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

    If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good
    readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

    Eventually you can slowly add back carbs until you see them affecting your
    meter.

    The thing about this disease... though we share much in common and we
    need to
    follow certain guidelines... in the end, each of our bodies dictate our
    treatment and our success.

    The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of
    avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that
    everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.
    But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, we give ourselves the
    best shot at heath we've got.
    That's all we can do.

    Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

    FBG under 100
    One hour after meals under 140
    Two hours after meals under 120

    or for those in the mmol parts of the world:

    Fasting Under 6
    One hour after meals Under 8
    Two hours after meals Under 6.5

    Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your
    "after meal" numbers. They may be the most indicative of future
    complications, especially heart problems.

    Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic
    care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You
    will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling
    diabetes than your doctor will. Your meter is your best weapon.

    Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but
    ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what
    foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science
    experiment.

    You'll read about a lot of different ways people use to control their
    diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
    there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
    and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.

    Best of luck!

    Jennifer

    skizi said:

    Hi,

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave him
    Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he ate in
    the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This did not
    make any sense to us.

    His ATC test was just under 7 and his fasting bg was 140. He was told to
    monitor his bg but she wouldn't say what to look for. She, the dietician,
    also didn't know or wouldn't to tell us what normal bg's are. She said it
    doesn't matter he is not normal anymore.

    He really isn't watching his diet. He will do LC for breakfast and pizza for
    supper. What is getting him concerned is that his readings are all over the
    place. He got a 121 after waffles with syrup. Then later in the day it
    dropped to below 70 and finally after a frozen pizza it went up to 159. His
    thyroid is normal.

    Any ideas where to begin? He is only 40 so to have this at such a young age
    does not seem good.

    Thanks

    Shari

  10. "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    .... excellent series of suggestions snipped ...

    Quoted message said:

    diabetes... Many are diametrically opposed. After awhile you'll learn that
    there is no one size fits all around here. Take some time to experiment
    and you'll soon discover the plan that works for you.


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    Jennifer


    Excellent, common sense advice, Jennifer! I hope others reading here are
    taking notes...

    Later all,
    DustyB
    ....

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nicky said:

    "skizi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes. The doctor gave
    him Actos (sp) and told him to see the dietician. She looked at what he
    ate in the past 24 hours and said he needs more starches in his diet. This
    did not make any sense to us.

    Dieticians are usually clueless : (

    Rich has already given you the best possible advice in that Newly Diagnosed
    link, but you might also want to get hold of Gretchen Becker's book, Type 2
    Diabetes; The First Year.

    The newsgroup alt.support.diabetes has a bunch of us around the 40 mark, as
    well as some seniors who've had it for years. He might want to hang out
    there, and ask the zillion questions that he'll have.

    I second the recommendation of alt.support.diabetes, although we're in
    the midst of a troll flamefest right now. :-( (Entertaining, but not
    helpful.)

    In addition I'd like to put in a word for Gretchen Becker's book on the
    first year with type 2 diabetes. It's excellent.

    Priscilla

  12. skizi said:


    Hi,

    My husband was recently diagnosed with Type II diabetes...

    Any ideas where to begin...

    I'm Type 2 as well.
    I just went common-sense low carb and it brought my a1c down to normal levels.
    I check at various times during the day, always at least two hours after
    eating, and find my bg is always between 4 and 7 (72 and 119). You can
    low carb fairly easily if you don't need to lose weight, but if you are
    over, common sense low carbing will bring you down slowly without hardly
    trying. As well as low carb, exercise is important. I am able to manage
    without any medication.

    If he is careful enough, after a while he may be able to manage his
    bg without any medication.

    Forget the syrup and refined carbs! Continued disregard for his bg levels
    can only lead to further need for medications, or possible need for insulin.
    You can control diabetes if you are type 2, but you can't cure it -- it
    can only get worse if abused. Remind him that diabetes is the leading
    cause of non-trauma amputation and blindness! That should make him put
    himself on track!

    Irv

    --
    --------------------------------------
    Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001
    Beating it with diet and exercise!
    297/215/210 (to be revised lower)
    58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!)
    --------------------------------------
    Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/index.html
    Visit my Baby Sofia website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/index.htm
    Visit my OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/index.htm
    --------------------
    Irv Finkleman,
    Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada

  13. "dori" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    ....

    Quoted message said:

    All this means you have to read labels a lot, but after a while it


    Okay! Somebody's gonna hafta clue me in where that "label" is on this bunch
    of broccoli I'm fondling! (:-o)!

    More than anything, our meander over to the "low-carb" WOE has removed the
    need to read so many labels. Fresh, unprocessed things don't have/need
    labels, and that's almost exclusively what I use these days.

    But we don't approach LC with the near religious zeal that many reading here
    do. If I have to use something out of a box or can, I still try to keep it
    simple and will try to choose the item with the least "processing" involved.
    It just doesn't happen all that much any more...because I won't let it. For
    instance, I may buy a can of pinto beans, or stewed tomatoes. And the label
    should say something like, "Ingredients: <vegetable name>, water, salt,
    ...." Never a dried soup mix or something with other ingredients that then
    seem to need some sort of preservatives or "extenders" or emulsifiers or
    preservatives or sweetener, etc...

    Quoted message said:

    becomes automatic and you don't have to think about it much anymore.
    I've been doing this for about 5 years. The hardest part is giving up
    sweet treats 🙁


    You're right about it becoming automatic. Besides, it's fun too...

    Enjoy!
    Dusty
    ....

  14. Dusty Bleher <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> "dori" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :> news:[email hidden]...
    :> ...
    :>> All this means you have to read labels a lot, but after a while it
    :> Okay! Somebody's gonna hafta clue me in where that "label" is on
    :> this bunch of broccoli I'm fondling! (:-o)!
    :>
    :> More than anything, our meander over to the "low-carb" WOE has
    :> removed the need to read so many labels. Fresh, unprocessed things
    :> don't have/need labels, and that's almost exclusively what I use
    :> these days.

    www.fitday.com

    :>
    :> But we don't approach LC with the near religious zeal that many
    :> reading here do.

    uh-huh.

    If I have to use something out of a box or can, I
    :> still try to keep it simple and will try to choose the item with the
    :> least "processing" involved. It just doesn't happen all that much
    :> any more...because I won't let it. For instance, I may buy a can of
    :> pinto beans, or stewed tomatoes. And the label should say something
    :> like, "Ingredients: <vegetable name>, water, salt, ..." Never a
    :> dried soup mix or something with other ingredients that then seem to
    :> need some sort of preservatives or "extenders" or emulsifiers or
    :> preservatives or sweetener, etc...
    :>
    :>> becomes automatic and you don't have to think about it much anymore.
    :>> I've been doing this for about 5 years. The hardest part is giving
    :>> up sweet treats 🙁
    :> You're right about it becoming automatic. Besides, it's fun too...
    :>
    :>
    :> Enjoy!
    :> Dusty
    :> ...

  15. "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic
    numbers.

    FBG under 100
    One hour after meals under 140
    Two hours after meals under 120

    So, if for the most part he is getting these kinds of numbers, then does he
    not really have to watch what he eats? The exception to this would be to
    avoid foods that cause spikes. The one that is off is the FBG where he is
    getting readings of 105 to 110.What about the low side of the numbers? Does
    it make a difference if it is 90 or 80 as long as it is below the above
    number? Does the range of his lowest number in a day to his highest number
    matter?

    How does his size play into all of this? He is 5'10" and 290 (at least that
    is what he will admit to). The dietician said that a person may not be able
    to produce enough insulin either due to damage somewhere or just that the
    pancreas is not strong enough for the person's volume of blood.

    Thanks again,

    Shari

  16. x-no-archive: yes

    dori said:

    Forgot to add:
    Normal FASTING bg is under 120 but above 70.

    Normal, non diabetic fasting is under 100, not 120. Type 2 diabetics
    can achieve this with good control and carb restriction.

    A1c should be below 6.5 or

    Quoted message said:

    even better below 6.

    Below 6 is a good start, but CVD risks rise dramatically with every
    point over 5%. Non diabetics have A1c between 4.8 - 5%.

    Eating always raises bg, and the fasting bg is the

    Quoted message said:

    one that is most important.

    Eating does not always raise bg, not in my life or on my meter. Eggs
    for breakfast don't budge it, frex. The fasting bg is the least
    informative; I've been diabetic for years, have never had an fbg above
    111, and that was only once. The most important numbers are the ones one
    and two hours after eating, to detect foods that cause dangerous highs
    that cause permanent damage.

    Susan

  17. x-no-archive: yes

    skizi said:

    "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic
    numbers.

    FBG under 100
    One hour after meals under 140
    Two hours after meals under 120

    Those aren't *actually* non-diabetic numbers, those are the numbers
    arbitrarily chosen. In fact, you can't get a non-diabetic, or glucose
    intolerant person over 105 after a sugar meal.

    Susan

  18. : >
    : > Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic
    : > numbers.: So, if for the most part he is getting these kinds of numbers,
    then does he
    : not really have to watch what he eats?

    Are you serious? The man weighs 290 and you are asking if he "not really has
    to watch what he eats?" He had better lose some weight and get on the Atkins
    diet for awhile.

    : How does his size play into all of this? He is 5'10" and 290 (at least
    that
    : is what he will admit to). The dietician said that a person may not be
    able
    : to produce enough insulin either due to damage somewhere or just that the
    : pancreas is not strong enough for the person's volume of blood.
    :
    : Thanks again,
    :
    : Shari

  19. Not "arbitrarily" chosen by me...

    But by the Joslin Diabetes Center.

    Who say those are non-diabetic numbers.

    Jennifer

    Susan said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    skizi said:

    "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic
    numbers.

    FBG under 100
    One hour after meals under 140
    Two hours after meals under 120

    Those aren't *actually* non-diabetic numbers, those are the numbers
    arbitrarily chosen. In fact, you can't get a non-diabetic, or glucose
    intolerant person over 105 after a sugar meal.

    Susan

  20. "skizi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic
    numbers.

    FBG under 100
    One hour after meals under 140
    Two hours after meals under 120

    So, if for the most part he is getting these kinds of numbers, then does
    he not really have to watch what he eats? The exception to this would be
    to avoid foods that cause spikes.

    Definitely. Sounds like he's in early progression of diabetes, you don't
    want to go further down the road if at all possible.

    Quoted message said:

    The one that is off is the FBG where he is getting readings of 105 to 110.

    You may need metformin to cope with that, if low-carbing and exercise don't
    help.

    Quoted message said:

    What about the low side of the numbers? Does it make a difference if it is
    90 or 80 as long as it is below the above number? Does the range of his
    lowest number in a day to his highest number matter?

    No - so long as he's staying in the normal range. If he's going low, that's
    a problem too.

    Quoted message said:


    How does his size play into all of this? He is 5'10" and 290 (at least
    that is what he will admit to).

    Then he needs to lose weight and take up an exercise program, as a matter of
    urgency. Diabetes is a contributing factor to heart attack and stroke; he
    needs to get fitter fast. Cardiac doctors count diabetics as already having
    had a heart attack, the risk is so high. Quite apart from that, building
    muscle mass will help regulate his blood glucose, hopefully having an effect
    on those fasting figures too. Losing fat mass will help his insulin
    resistance, and help stop the diabetes progression.

    Nicky.

    --
    A1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
    1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
    95/74/72Kg

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