Zurich Predictions

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1. Bettini
2. Cunego
3.Piil

Valverde instead of Cunego.

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1. Bettini
2. Cunego
3.Piil

Valverde instead of Cunego.

Quite possibly. It wouldn't surprise if Piil won. Ekimov could be a top
five--gritty guy.

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1. Bettini
2. Cunego
3.Piil

Valverde instead of Cunego.

Quite possibly. It wouldn't surprise if Piil won. Ekimov could be a top
five--gritty guy.

I agree about Piil. He's in the form of his life. He was the strongest last
Sunday. And he was climbing really well in the Vuelta.

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> 1. Bettini
> 2. Cunego
> 3.Piil
Valverde instead of Cunego.

Quite possibly. It wouldn't surprise if Piil won. Ekimov could be a top
five--gritty guy.

I agree about Piil. He's in the form of his life. He was the strongest last
Sunday. And he was climbing really well in the Vuelta.

He is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is a different
kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't believe he'll win (I
could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd will win. And DiLuca will stay
in the lead of the ProTour.

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Howard Kveck said:

[Piil] is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is a different
kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't believe he'll win (I
could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd will win. And DiLuca will stay
in the lead of the ProTour.

Impossible.

Boogerd will be second, and DiLuca will keep the ProTour lead.
One of these is inevitable. The other is a mathematical
certainty.

Kim Kirchen to win. I wonder if Fabian Wegmann will have to
ride for Rebellin (who hasn't done anything recently) or have
a free hand.

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Howard Kveck said:

[Piil] is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is a
different
kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't believe he'll
win (I
could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd will win. And DiLuca will
stay
in the lead of the ProTour.

Impossible.

Boogerd will be second, and DiLuca will keep the ProTour lead.
One of these is inevitable. The other is a mathematical
certainty.

Well, Boogerd does have a knack for being second, but I can dream, can't I? I
hope he wins, but hope isn't a plan, is it? And as for DiLuca, you're right that
no one at Zurich can make up the lead he has in this race. I should have been
more specific and said he'll keep the ProTour lead for the rest of the year.

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Kim Kirchen to win. I wonder if Fabian Wegmann will have to
ride for Rebellin (who hasn't done anything recently) or have
a free hand.

Kirchen's been very good this year. He won Trofeo Laiguelia in mid February,
and the Tour of Poland a couple of weeks ago (including a stage win and the
points competition), and had a raft of good finishes in between. He seems to be
a little underrated as a rider (but Fassa is a pretty strong team, in general,
so it's sort of understandable that he sometimes flys beneath the radar).

I guess Wegman's chances to ride for himself are pretty dependent on how
generous Rebellin is feeling.

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Howard

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Howard Kveck said:

[Piil] is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is
a different
kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't believe he'll
win (I
could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd will win. And DiLuca
will stay
in the lead of the ProTour.

Impossible.

Boogerd will be second, and DiLuca will keep the ProTour lead.
One of these is inevitable. The other is a mathematical
certainty.

Not yet a mathematical certainty. Very likely, but a crash for DiLuca or no
point placings, and good showings by Vino or Rebellin could mathematically
change who wins the PT.

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Howard Kveck said:

[Piil] is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is
a different
kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't believe he'll
win (I
could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd will win. And DiLuca
will stay
in the lead of the ProTour.

Impossible.

Boogerd will be second, and DiLuca will keep the ProTour lead.
One of these is inevitable. The other is a mathematical
certainty.

Not yet a mathematical certainty. Very likely, but a crash for DiLuca or no
point placings, and good showings by Vino or Rebellin could mathematically
change who wins the PT.

Unless they take the lead from the results of the Zurich race, then it
would be a mathematical certainty that Diluca will stay in the lead of
the ProTour. That doesn't say he will be the eventual winner.

Of course, you can parse the phrase 'will stay in the lead' to mean
something it usually does not (ie the same as 'winning'😉, but you're
on your own on that one.

Curtis L. Russell
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Unless they take the lead from the results of the Zurich race, then it
would be a mathematical certainty that Diluca will stay in the lead of
the ProTour. That doesn't say he will be the eventual winner.

Of course, you can parse the phrase 'will stay in the lead' to mean
something it usually does not (ie the same as 'winning'😉, but you're
on your own on that one.

With his 4th place today, Di Luca has mathematiccaly wrapped up the ProTour.
So this argument is now moot. (In RBR terms, that means that there will be
no more than 50 new posts on the subject, unless someone introduces helmets
or Iraq into the thread.)

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Impossible.

Boogerd will be second, and DiLuca will keep the ProTour lead.
One of these is inevitable. The other is a mathematical
certainty.

Not yet a mathematical certainty. Very likely, but a crash for DiLuca or no
point placings, and good showings by Vino or Rebellin could mathematically
change who wins the PT.

Apart from the winning vs. keeping the lead distinction:
I said that one of those events was inevitable and the
other a mathematical certainty. I didn't say which one
was which.

Ben
mathematics is not a science

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Impossible.

Boogerd will be second, and DiLuca will keep the ProTour lead.
One of these is inevitable. The other is a mathematical
certainty.

Not yet a mathematical certainty. Very likely, but a crash for DiLuca or
no
point placings, and good showings by Vino or Rebellin could
mathematically
change who wins the PT.

Apart from the winning vs. keeping the lead distinction:
I said that one of those events was inevitable and the
other a mathematical certainty. I didn't say which one
was which.

Ben
mathematics is not a science

As the VeloNews photo caption says,
"DiLuca has a lock on it now"

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/8989.0.html

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>> 1. Bettini
>> 2. Cunego
>> 3.Piil
> Valverde instead of Cunego.
>
Quite possibly. It wouldn't surprise if Piil won. Ekimov could be a
top
five--gritty guy.

I agree about Piil. He's in the form of his life. He was the strongest
last
Sunday. And he was climbing really well in the Vuelta.

He is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is a
different
kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't believe he'll
win (I
could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd will win. And DiLuca
will stay
in the lead of the ProTour.

Exactly, Piil was climbing well in the Vuelta, which didn't really suit him
since he's not a pure climber. Zurich is much more his type of profile.

Anyway, we'll never know because Boogerd was a DNS and Piil was a DNF-
crashed out and broke his hip ;(

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He is in great shape right now, but the climbing in the Vuelta is a
different kind than in Zurich. I think he should do well, but I don't
believe he'll win (I could be wrong, though). I'll say Michael Boogerd
will win. And DiLuca will stay in the lead of the ProTour.

Exactly, Piil was climbing well in the Vuelta, which didn't really suit him
since he's not a pure climber. Zurich is much more his type of profile.

I was rather impressed with his climbing in the Vuelta.

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Anyway, we'll never know because Boogerd was a DNS and Piil was a DNF-
crashed out and broke his hip ;(

I wonder why Boogerd didn't start - the weather? It looks to have been pretty
foul. Only 49 finishers, with some huge gaps between bunches. Piil's hip break
is not good news. I hope it's not a serious break and he comes back strong again
next season. Bartoli had lots of problems with his hip after he broke it a few
years ago.

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Howard

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Howard Kveck said:

I wonder why Boogerd didn't start - the weather?

He usually does well in bad weather. He pulled out Saturday with continuing
back pains. I hadn't heard of the back pains before, so can't say more.

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