new tires

Guy at the LBS tried to sell me new tires, saying the folded type with
kevlar bead was better and lighter than the type with metal beads.

True, or false? $45 bucks vs $25 for regular hanging (non-foldable) tires.

(The folded ones were not slicks, but had ///// type tread on either side
of the center line, but the tread was much closer and tigher than the above
representation. He said they had better traction, but I'm dubious.)

Thanks.

jj

jj said:

Guy at the LBS tried to sell me new tires, saying the folded type with
kevlar bead was better and lighter than the type with metal beads.

True, or false? $45 bucks vs $25 for regular hanging (non-foldable) tires.

(The folded ones were not slicks, but had ///// type tread on either side
of the center line, but the tread was much closer and tigher than the above
representation. He said they had better traction, but I'm dubious.)

Thanks.

jj

Lighter yes, for the same tire. Many kinds come either/or with about a
$5-10 price hike for folding variety. Better - ?? Depends what you want.

There are lots of folders that can be had for ~$25.

--
My bike blog:
http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

jj said:

Guy at the LBS tried to sell me new tires, saying the folded type with
kevlar bead was better and lighter than the type with metal beads.

True, or false? $45 bucks vs $25 for regular hanging (non-foldable) tires.

(The folded ones were not slicks, but had ///// type tread on either side
of the center line, but the tread was much closer and tigher than the
above
representation. He said they had better traction, but I'm dubious.)

Best traction on pavement is obtained with slicks (more rubber in contact
with the road). Kevlar bead is a lttle lighter than wire bead, and easier to
store.

Other things to consider are tire width, materials (carbon black or
"silica"😉, and number of threads per inch in the casing.

Super narrow or lightweight tires aren't necessarily better. Depends what
you want them to do. I wouldn't pay $40 for a tire. Heck, I wouldn't even
pay $25!

Art Harris

Arthur Harris said:

jj said:

Guy at the LBS tried to sell me new tires, saying the folded type with
kevlar bead was better and lighter than the type with metal beads.

True, or false? $45 bucks vs $25 for regular hanging (non-foldable) tires.

Same brand?

$45 seems a little steep for a training tire for me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(The folded ones were not slicks, but had ///// type tread on either side
of the center line, but the tread was much closer and tigher than the
above representation. He said they had better traction, but I'm dubious.)

You should be. If you're riding on pavement, slicks will provide the
best traction, period, even in the wet.

Quoted message said:

Best traction on pavement is obtained with slicks (more rubber in contact
with the road). Kevlar bead is a lttle lighter than wire bead, and easier to
store.

Kevlar beads are also easier to work with. They can easily be rolled
on and off the rims when the tube is deflated, so there's less risk of
pinching the tube prying the bead on or off with tire levers. At most,
I start the bead off with a pair of tire levers, but then I can finish
R&R-ing a folder with my bare hands.

Quoted message said:

Other things to consider are tire width, materials (carbon black or
"silica"😉, and number of threads per inch in the casing.

Super narrow or lightweight tires aren't necessarily better. Depends what
you want them to do. I wouldn't pay $40 for a tire. Heck, I wouldn't even
pay $25!

What tires do you use?

I pay $30ish for my tires (I run Specialized folding slicks, 700cx23,
120tpi. I stick with 'em because they seem to be *extremely* resistant
to flats. I managed to work some metal into one of them after a few
thousand miles, and even at that, I still ended up with only a slow leak).

--
Chris BeHanna
'03 Specialized Allez Elite 27
'04 Specialized Hardrock Pro Disc

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Arthur Harris said:

jj said:

Guy at the LBS tried to sell me new tires, saying the folded type with
kevlar bead was better and lighter than the type with metal beads.

True, or false? $45 bucks vs $25 for regular hanging (non-foldable) tires.

(The folded ones were not slicks, but had ///// type tread on either side
of the center line, but the tread was much closer and tigher than the
above
representation. He said they had better traction, but I'm dubious.)

Best traction on pavement is obtained with slicks (more rubber in contact
with the road). Kevlar bead is a lttle lighter than wire bead, and easier to
store.

Other things to consider are tire width, materials (carbon black or
"silica"😉, and number of threads per inch in the casing.

Super narrow or lightweight tires aren't necessarily better. Depends what
you want them to do. I wouldn't pay $40 for a tire. Heck, I wouldn't even
pay $25!

Art Harris

Hey Art,
Where do you get your tires? My LBS starts at about $40.00 and goes up
from there for a 700 type tire. Sure you may find one a X-Mart for less
but when you air them up they are likely to explode (experience here),
since all the cheap ones come from China. I went to about 5 stores
looking for 26" x 1.75" road tires for my MTB and they were all Chinese
so I just bought the beefiest looking ones. One is still working at 60
PSI and the front one died on the first day with a big split down the
middle. I lowered the pressure to about 25 PSI and limped home, cursing
'Globalization' all the way.
Bill

Bill said:

Hey Art,
Where do you get your tires? My LBS starts at about $40.00 and goes up
from there for a 700 type tire.

I've been using IRC Road Winners (labeled as 700x28, but actually measure
25mm). Wire bead, kevlar belt, 275g. These are made in Japan by the same
company that makes Avocet (although I think the new Avocets are made in
Korea). I get over 3,000 miles out of a rear tire, and can't remember the
last time I had a flat.

I buy them from Nashbar on sale at $10 to $13. The IRC Triathlon is
similar, but measures 23mm wide.

Art Harris

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:12:58 -0400, Chris BeHanna <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Kevlar beads are also easier to work with. They can easily be rolled
on and off the rims when the tube is deflated, so there's less risk of
pinching the tube prying the bead on or off with tire levers. At most,
I start the bead off with a pair of tire levers, but then I can finish
R&R-ing a folder with my bare hands.

This not always true, I have had more trouble getting a new set of
folding tires on my rims[the first time], than I ever have with wire
beads. So, there are variables here, the brand of tire and the brand
of rim.

I've been using 700 x 25c Conti Ultra Gatorskins, which sell for
$32-34 per tire. So far, I've 4800 flat free miles on my current set,
which, to me, makes them a good value.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Bill said:

Hey Art,
Where do you get your tires? My LBS starts at about $40.00 and goes up
from there for a 700 type tire. Sure you may find one a X-Mart for less
but when you air them up they are likely to explode (experience here),
since all the cheap ones come from China. I went to about 5 stores
looking for 26" x 1.75" road tires for my MTB and they were all Chinese
so I just bought the beefiest looking ones. One is still working at 60
PSI and the front one died on the first day with a big split down the
middle. I lowered the pressure to about 25 PSI and limped home, cursing
'Globalization' all the way.

All of my tires were made in China[1] and have never had that kind of a
problem.

Not sure how much they cost since I've never replaced a tire. First
bike was gettting close to needing replacement (around 500 miles) when
it got stolen. Second, third, fifth, and sixth bikes never got
anywhere near close to needing replacement before getting stolen.
Fourth bike was given away when I moved and didn't get anywhere near
needing replacement. Seventh (last bike) made it 1000 miles without
replacing the tires though the rear one will need it soon.

Have replaced two or three tubes. But even on the new expensive
expensive bike the tube I replaced today was only 15 renminbi.

-M

[1] Note - I live in China and only really started bicycling after I
arrived here.

Quoted message said:

Bill said:

Hey Art,
Where do you get your tires? My LBS starts at about $40.00 and goes up
from there for a 700 type tire. Sure you may find one a X-Mart for less
but when you air them up they are likely to explode (experience here),
since all the cheap ones come from China. I went to about 5 stores
looking for 26" x 1.75" road tires for my MTB and they were all Chinese
so I just bought the beefiest looking ones. One is still working at 60
PSI and the front one died on the first day with a big split down the
middle. I lowered the pressure to about 25 PSI and limped home, cursing
'Globalization' all the way.

All of my tires were made in China[1] and have never had that kind of a
problem.

Not sure how much they cost since I've never replaced a tire. First
bike was gettting close to needing replacement (around 500 miles) when
it got stolen. Second, third, fifth, and sixth bikes never got
anywhere near close to needing replacement before getting stolen.
Fourth bike was given away when I moved and didn't get anywhere near
needing replacement. Seventh (last bike) made it 1000 miles without
replacing the tires though the rear one will need it soon.

Have replaced two or three tubes. But even on the new expensive
expensive bike the tube I replaced today was only 15 renminbi.

-M

[1] Note - I live in China and only really started bicycling after I
arrived here.

What happened was that I went to 3 stores to find the best 1.75" tire
and they were all made in China so I picked the best looking one, with
plenty of meat where the rubber meets the road. I got 2 of them and the
pressure rating was 40 to 60 PSI so I went for the 60 PSI verified it
with 2 industrial dial type gages I made. The little stick gages at the
tire shop are often off by 50%, really bad. Everything looked good until
the next day when I went for a ride to go up into the mountains and I
was about 12 miles from home on the roller coaster section leading into
the big climbs. Slowly but surely I felt this bump, bump, every rotation
and thought I picked up a piece of gum or something. When I looked at
the tire it had split the rubber about a half inch right on the road
contact spot and the bump was the cord threads hitting the road. I let
out air down to about 30 PSI and limped home at much lower speed just in
case it did blow. When I got home I put back the front knobbie which
still has thousands of miles to go, but knobbie on the front and street
tire on the back rides a little weird, especially no hands riding and
cornering. Basically, the only tires I can find for 26" MTBs are made in
China unless 'maybe' one of my LBS's carries good ones.
Bill

Bill said:

What happened was that I went to 3 stores to find the best 1.75" tire
and they were all made in China so I picked the best looking one, with
plenty of meat where the rubber meets the road. I got 2 of them and the
pressure rating was 40 to 60 PSI so I went for the 60 PSI verified it
with 2 industrial dial type gages ...

Holy [censored]! Bill's actually used some type of instrumentation to verify
his claims!

Quoted message said:

industrial dial type gages *I made*.

Uhh.... nevermind.

And by the way Bill, everything you buy at Wal-Mart is made in China.
So either start shopping somewhere else or stop complaining about
Chinese goods.

Rich

Rich said:

Bill said:

What happened was that I went to 3 stores to find the best 1.75" tire
and they were all made in China so I picked the best looking one, with
plenty of meat where the rubber meets the road. I got 2 of them and
the pressure rating was 40 to 60 PSI so I went for the 60 PSI verified
it with 2 industrial dial type gages ...

Holy [censored]! Bill's actually used some type of instrumentation to verify
his claims!

Quoted message said:

industrial dial type gages *I made*.

Uhh.... nevermind.

And by the way Bill, everything you buy at Wal-Mart is made in China. So
either start shopping somewhere else or stop complaining about Chinese
goods.

Rich

Rich,
The Wal-Mart and 2 auto parts stores plus one hardware store are in
walking distance, about 1.5 miles each way. The gages are the real deal
only with an air inflating chuck on them, one is a 60 PSI and the other
is a 100 PSI and they agree. I know about China-Mart, but it is the only
store within reasonable walking distance unless I want to get a smog
maker fired up. Even my 2 LBS's have taken to selling stuff made in
China, even though they try to keep good stuff in stock but sometimes
have no choice. Ever tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would
but can't since the Asian's have put just about everybody out of
business. Same thing for American made Televisions, Kodak cameras, and
on and on.
Bill

Bill said:

. Ever tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would
but can't since the Asian's have put just about everybody out of
business.
Bill

little bill, you are so full of it. There are Triumph dealers
throughout California.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

Just click on "Dealers".

So, what's your excuse going to be now?

Life is Good!
Jeff

Bill said:

Hey Art,
Where do you get your tires? My LBS starts at about $40.00 and goes up
from there for a 700 type tire.

Performance, Nashbar, Pricepoint, etc., have scads of excellent tires for half
that or less. There's no reason to pay $40.00 for a bicycle tire.

Matt O.

Quoted message said:

Performance, Nashbar, Pricepoint, etc., have scads of excellent tires for half
that or less. There's no reason to pay $40.00 for a bicycle tire.

Hmm, love to see a recommendation for a sub-$40 tire which meets the
following requirements:

1) 25mm width
2) rated for 120 psi
3) Good cut resistance
4) OK for use on tandem

Chris Neary
[email hidden]

"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

Jeff Starr said:

Bill said:

. Ever tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would
but can't since the Asian's have put just about everybody out of
business.
Bill

little bill, you are so full of it. There are Triumph dealers
throughout California.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

Just click on "Dealers".

So, what's your excuse going to be now?

Life is Good!
Jeff

Where?
I haven't seen a new Triumph since the Trident back in the 70's. How
about BSA's and Nortons? You trying to say that the Japanese putting
everyone else out of business was a good thing? Get you head out of your
self righteous ass some time, hopefully in the near future.
Bill

Chris Neary said:

Quoted message said:

Performance, Nashbar, Pricepoint, etc., have scads of excellent tires for half
that or less. There's no reason to pay $40.00 for a bicycle tire.

Hmm, love to see a recommendation for a sub-$40 tire which meets the
following requirements:

1) 25mm width
2) rated for 120 psi
3) Good cut resistance
4) OK for use on tandem

Chris Neary
[email hidden]

"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

OK,
I admit I would like a Kevlar bullet proof tire rated for 120 PSI
minimum, but why use them on a tandem? That is a lot of weight to put on
2 tiny tires. A tandem with 27" x 1 3/8" makes more sense to me, but of
course nobody ever agrees with me about things like that, so....
Bill

Bill said:

Jeff Starr said:

Bill said:

. Ever tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would
but can't since the Asian's have put just about everybody out of
business.
Bill

little bill, you are so full of it. There are Triumph dealers
throughout California.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

Just click on "Dealers".

So, what's your excuse going to be now?

Life is Good!
Jeff

Where?
I haven't seen a new Triumph since the Trident back in the 70's. How
about BSA's and Nortons? You trying to say that the Japanese putting
everyone else out of business was a good thing? Get you head out of your
self righteous ass some time, hopefully in the near future.
Bill

Hey Genuis, did you click on the link I provided? Nortons are still
being made too, but finding a dealer could be more difficult.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/

I'm trying to say, that the Japanese didn't put the all the British
motorcycle companies out of business. I'm saying that as usual, you
don't know what you are talking about.

You said that you would buy a Triumph, if you could find one. " Ever
tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would but can't since the
Asian's have put just about everybody out of business."

I showed you that Triumphs are still made and I gave you a link as to
where dealers in California are located, so are you going to buy one?
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

If anyone's head is up their ass, it would be you. You post a false
statement and when corrected, you want to make it about me.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff Starr said:

Bill said:

Jeff Starr said:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:42:21 -0700, Bill <[email hidden]> wrote:

>. Ever tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would
>but can't since the Asian's have put just about everybody out of
>business.
>Bill

little bill, you are so full of it. There are Triumph dealers
throughout California.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

Just click on "Dealers".

So, what's your excuse going to be now?

Life is Good!
Jeff

Where?
I haven't seen a new Triumph since the Trident back in the 70's. How
about BSA's and Nortons? You trying to say that the Japanese putting
everyone else out of business was a good thing? Get you head out of your
self righteous ass some time, hopefully in the near future.
Bill

Hey Genuis, did you click on the link I provided? Nortons are still
being made too, but finding a dealer could be more difficult.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/

I'm trying to say, that the Japanese didn't put the all the British
motorcycle companies out of business. I'm saying that as usual, you
don't know what you are talking about.

You said that you would buy a Triumph, if you could find one. " Ever
tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would but can't since the
Asian's have put just about everybody out of business."

I showed you that Triumphs are still made and I gave you a link as to
where dealers in California are located, so are you going to buy one?
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

If anyone's head is up their ass, it would be you. You post a false
statement and when corrected, you want to make it about me.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Today I clicked and saw what would count with me as real motorcycles
that I would ride. What I probably should have said is that these are
revived companies who either did go out of business for a while or were
just so low profile you would think they were out of business. I would
have to do some research without getting interrupted by my home office
phone so that will be another day.
I have to make call now so, another day.
Bill

Jeff Starr said:

Bill said:

Jeff Starr said:

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 13:42:21 -0700, Bill <[email hidden]> wrote:

>. Ever tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would
>but can't since the Asian's have put just about everybody out of
>business.
>Bill

little bill, you are so full of it. There are Triumph dealers
throughout California.

http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

Just click on "Dealers".

So, what's your excuse going to be now?

Life is Good!
Jeff

Where?
I haven't seen a new Triumph since the Trident back in the 70's. How
about BSA's and Nortons? You trying to say that the Japanese putting
everyone else out of business was a good thing? Get you head out of your
self righteous ass some time, hopefully in the near future.
Bill

Hey Genuis, did you click on the link I provided? Nortons are still
being made too, but finding a dealer could be more difficult.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/

I'm trying to say, that the Japanese didn't put the all the British
motorcycle companies out of business. I'm saying that as usual, you
don't know what you are talking about.

You said that you would buy a Triumph, if you could find one. " Ever
tried to buy a British motorcycle lately? I would but can't since the
Asian's have put just about everybody out of business."

I showed you that Triumphs are still made and I gave you a link as to
where dealers in California are located, so are you going to buy one?
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/5.aspx

If anyone's head is up their ass, it would be you. You post a false
statement and when corrected, you want to make it about me.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Try looking at the history, fellow genius?
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/company/history.asp
They went under in 1976, just like I said, and for the reason I said.
Beezers are history, period, and Triumph probably went down to a 2 man
company before getting refinanced. Looking at their home page 2 out of
the three look an awful lot like Japanese bikes and even the third looks
like a 30 year old design with some fiberglass junk on it.
I'm not the stupid one here, you just can't interpret what has been
going on.
Bill (use monosyllables when talking to Jeff) Baka