canning

"Nancy Lother" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

If you go on over the rec.food.preserving you will get lots of help🙂

O

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Nancy Lother) said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options
for how sweet you want the liquid they're canned in. You'll want to pay
attention to how you process them. Your best bet, IMNSHO, for a paper
text is the Ball Blue Book; for a website, go to the National Center for
Home Food Preservation (NCHFP) at the University of Georgia
<http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/>, they're the only university currently doing
research for the USDA. For newsgroups, Usenet's rec.food.preserving is
frequented by some helpful and very pleasant folks (the horse's ass left
about 2-1/2 years ago) who will be happy to advise on any specifics that
you might not understand from the NCHFP site. The BBB (Ball Blue Book)
has illustrations to give you some confidence, I'd say.

My very first net friend was a woman in Seattle who I taught to can --
via email. Fond memories. We met in person a few years later. If you
want to email me, do it from my website: www.jamlady.eboard.com -
there's an envelope in the upper left corner; click on that.
-Barb
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-26-05

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))

O

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Nancy Lother) said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options
for how sweet you want the liquid they're canned in. You'll want to pay
attention to how you process them. Your best bet, IMNSHO, for a paper
text is the Ball Blue Book; for a website, go to the National Center for
Home Food Preservation (NCHFP) at the University of Georgia
<http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/>, they're the only university currently doing
research for the USDA. For newsgroups, Usenet's rec.food.preserving is
frequented by some helpful and very pleasant folks (the horse's ass left
about 2-1/2 years ago) who will be happy to advise on any specifics that
you might not understand from the NCHFP site. The BBB (Ball Blue Book)
has illustrations to give you some confidence, I'd say.

My very first net friend was a woman in Seattle who I taught to can --
via email. Fond memories. We met in person a few years later. If you
want to email me, do it from my website: www.jamlady.eboard.com -
there's an envelope in the upper left corner; click on that.
-Barb
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-26-05

"Ophelia" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote ...

(Nancy Lother) wrote:>>> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a
receipe for canning

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options
for how sweet you want the liquid they're canned in. You'll want to pay
attention to how you process them. Your best bet, IMNSHO, for a paper
text is the Ball Blue Book; for a website, go to the National Center for
Home Food Preservation (NCHFP) at the University of Georgia
<http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/>, they're the only university currently doing
research for the USDA. For newsgroups, Usenet's rec.food.preserving is
frequented by some helpful and very pleasant folks (the horse's ass left
about 2-1/2 years ago) who will be happy to advise on any specifics that
you might not understand from the NCHFP site. The BBB (Ball Blue Book)
has illustrations to give you some confidence, I'd say.

My very first net friend was a woman in Seattle who I taught to can --
via email. Fond memories. We met in person a few years later. If you
want to email me, do it from my website: www.jamlady.eboard.com -
there's an envelope in the upper left corner; click on that.
-Barb
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-26-05

This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a WebTVer.
She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly restrained
in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't quite... She
wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.

What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just point
their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain lurking
and searching? Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

The only other newsgroup to which I regularly post is rec.art.mystery. We
don't get much of the WebTV scene; some crossposting with other groups, but
we're small enough and nasty enough (outside the group) to fight back. The
very few
WebTVer's who have shown up over the years have been very circumspect.

I keep thinking that there should be a firewall when WebTVers start
posting---"Read this www and Usenet and whatever manual. There will be a
test. If you do not pass the test, phhffttt, you can't play." I know
that's not fair---look at all the a***oles out here! It's just that they
come in here like they have the keys to kingdom and who are we---give us a
break!

Oh, well, I'm tired, cranky, and am trying to clean up and pack up this
****hole we call a computer room so Ed will let me have the "good" computer
on the move this weekend.

Pam

"pjjehg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a WebTVer.
She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly restrained
in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't quite... She
wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.

What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just
point their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain
lurking and searching?

Ahh I didn't know.

Quoted message said:

Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

I can't answer that but I think it is lovely that you do. I am sure I
would care too if I understood the problems

I know absolutely nothing about WebTV and its problems🙁

O

Ophelia said:

"pjjehg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a WebTVer.
She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly restrained
in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't quite... She
wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.

What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just
point their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain
lurking and searching?

Ahh I didn't know.

Quoted message said:

Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

I can't answer that but I think it is lovely that you do. I am sure I
would care too if I understood the problems

I know absolutely nothing about WebTV and its problems🙁

O

WebTV does seem to have a disproportionate number of idiots (all ISP's
have their share), but I have no idea what set off Pam; Nancy's post
looked perfectly reasonable to me. No dancing frogs or singing kittens
or fully animated local weather reports... ;-)

Welcome to Nancy. But you'll get more and better *canning* advice at
rec.food.preserving

Best regards,
Bob

In article <[email hidden]>, "Ophelia"

Quoted message said:

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))

O

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Nancy Lother) said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options

You're flattering, and I thank you for that, but it's just not so. I
know a fair amount about a few things but others actually DO more than I
do -- I'd trust George Shirley with my life. And maybe zxcvbob. Maybe.
?-)
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-26-05

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Ophelia"

Quoted message said:

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))

O

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Nancy Lother) wrote:

> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
> pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
> nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options

You're flattering, and I thank you for that, but it's just not so. I
know a fair amount about a few things but others actually DO more than I
do -- I'd trust George Shirley with my life. And maybe zxcvbob. Maybe.
?-)

Peeling a pear is easy. The texture is similar to a potato(nice and
firm), I use a potato peeler.

Nancy Lother said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

Hi Nancy. I do a lot of canning including peaches and pears. Right now
I'm in the middle of doing up various tomato products and have posted
links to pictures of some of them. When I get tired of seeing tomatoes
I switch and do up a batch of something using apples. Today I'm taking
a break from tomatoes and apples and doing up mint jelly 🙂 The best
resouce is the Ball Blue Book. A good website is homecanning.com and
Melba posted an excellent link in her reply. Here's the link to
homecanning's instructions for doing peaches
http://www.homecanning.com/can/AlRecipes.asp?R=103 Since you are new to
canning you would find it quite helpful to read through canning basics
at the homecanning website. As others have mentioned
rec.food.preserving is a great newsgroup with lots of friendly and
knowledgable posters. I post there too. If you need any help just ask.

A couple of tips when doing peaches or pears - I find the 1 L (quart)
size of jars to be the best size to use. I like using a thin flexible
spatula for removing air bubbles.

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Ophelia"

Quoted message said:

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))

O

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Nancy Lother) wrote:

>i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
>pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
>nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options

You're flattering, and I thank you for that, but it's just not so. I
know a fair amount about a few things but others actually DO more than I
do -- I'd trust George Shirley with my life. And maybe zxcvbob. Maybe.
?-)

George has to be the most knowledgeable person when it comes to peppers
and hot sauce! I love reading about his hot sauce. I'm so envious that
I haven't been able to make a batch yet. I only grow enough of the
various hot peppers to make salsa with so never have enough for much of
anything else. Maybe next year I'll take over another section of yard
for more veggies. You know zxcvbob is rather iffy. Everyone says the
canning has gone right to his head - LOL R&D

day said:

Melba's Jammin said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Ophelia"

Quoted message said:

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))

O

"Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

>In article <[email hidden]>,
>[email hidden] (Nancy Lother) wrote:
>
>
>>i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
>>pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
>>nancy
>
>What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
>pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options

You're flattering, and I thank you for that, but it's just not so. I
know a fair amount about a few things but others actually DO more than I
do -- I'd trust George Shirley with my life. And maybe zxcvbob. Maybe.
?-)

Peeling a pear is easy. The texture is similar to a potato(nice and
firm), I use a potato peeler.

I don't mind peeling pears either. I use DH 🙂

"~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nancy Lother said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

Hi Nancy. I do a lot of canning including peaches and pears. Right now
I'm in the middle of doing up various tomato products and have posted
links to pictures of some of them. When I get tired of seeing tomatoes I
switch and do up a batch of something using apples. Today I'm taking a
break from tomatoes and apples and doing up mint jelly 🙂 The best
resouce is the Ball Blue Book. A good website is homecanning.com and
Melba posted an excellent link in her reply. Here's the link to
homecanning's instructions for doing peaches
http://www.homecanning.com/can/AlRecipes.asp?R=103 Since you are new to
canning you would find it quite helpful to read through canning basics at
the homecanning website. As others have mentioned rec.food.preserving is
a great newsgroup with lots of friendly and knowledgable posters. I post
there too. If you need any help just ask.

A couple of tips when doing peaches or pears - I find the 1 L (quart) size
of jars to be the best size to use. I like using a thin flexible spatula
for removing air bubbles.

I love to read your postings, but I'm thinking that the food ng 'preserving'
would really enjoy your postings as well. For some reason, subscribers seem
not to like 'cross-postings.' I've not done any, but I always wonder why.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall said:

"~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Nancy Lother said:

i was wondering if anyone could help me with a receipe for canning
pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
nancy

Hi Nancy. I do a lot of canning including peaches and pears. Right now
I'm in the middle of doing up various tomato products and have posted
links to pictures of some of them. When I get tired of seeing tomatoes I
switch and do up a batch of something using apples. Today I'm taking a
break from tomatoes and apples and doing up mint jelly 🙂 The best
resouce is the Ball Blue Book. A good website is homecanning.com and
Melba posted an excellent link in her reply. Here's the link to
homecanning's instructions for doing peaches
http://www.homecanning.com/can/AlRecipes.asp?R=103 Since you are new to
canning you would find it quite helpful to read through canning basics at
the homecanning website. As others have mentioned rec.food.preserving is
a great newsgroup with lots of friendly and knowledgable posters. I post
there too. If you need any help just ask.

A couple of tips when doing peaches or pears - I find the 1 L (quart) size
of jars to be the best size to use. I like using a thin flexible spatula
for removing air bubbles.

I love to read your postings, but I'm thinking that the food ng 'preserving'
would really enjoy your postings as well. For some reason, subscribers seem
not to like 'cross-postings.' I've not done any, but I always wonder why.
Dee Dee

Thank-you for your kind words. I post on rec.food.preserving and on
rec.garden.edible. Many of the posters here do the same thing so they
would likely get bored seeing the same messages. If you can or freeze
chances are good you garden and chances are even better you like to
cook. Most of the canning is seasonal so I should be back to regular
cooking soon. Wait until I post pick of my lasagne! My quiche isn't
all that bad either. Well I still have mushrooms and a couple of soups
to can as well as finish up salsa. My canned and frozen goodies is what
helps me to cook healthy meals the rest of the year 🙂 I'm not sure
what the problem with cross posting is as long as the two groups are
related.

"pjjehg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Ophelia" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Ahh you have Barb herself.. you don't need any preserving group🙂)))
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote ...

(Nancy Lother) wrote:>>> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a
receipe for canning

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> pears, or peaches. its my first time at anything like this. thanks,
> nancy

What do you want to know? (I think peaches are easier to peel than
pears.) The "recipes" are pretty simple, Nancy, and you have options
for how sweet you want the liquid they're canned in. You'll want to pay
attention to how you process them. Your best bet, IMNSHO, for a paper
text is the Ball Blue Book; for a website, go to the National Center for
Home Food Preservation (NCHFP) at the University of Georgia
<http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/>, they're the only university currently doing
research for the USDA. For newsgroups, Usenet's rec.food.preserving is
frequented by some helpful and very pleasant folks (the horse's ass left
about 2-1/2 years ago) who will be happy to advise on any specifics that
you might not understand from the NCHFP site. The BBB (Ball Blue Book)
has illustrations to give you some confidence, I'd say.

My very first net friend was a woman in Seattle who I taught to can --
via email. Fond memories. We met in person a few years later. If you
want to email me, do it from my website: www.jamlady.eboard.com -
there's an envelope in the upper left corner; click on that.
-Barb
--
-Barb, <http://www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-26-05

This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a WebTVer.
She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly restrained
in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't quite... She
wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.

What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just
point their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain
lurking and searching? Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

The only other newsgroup to which I regularly post is rec.art.mystery. We
don't get much of the WebTV scene; some crossposting with other groups,
but we're small enough and nasty enough (outside the group) to fight back.
The very few
WebTVer's who have shown up over the years have been very circumspect.

I keep thinking that there should be a firewall when WebTVers start
posting---"Read this www and Usenet and whatever manual. There will be a
test. If you do not pass the test, phhffttt, you can't play." I know
that's not fair---look at all the a***oles out here! It's just that they
come in here like they have the keys to kingdom and who are we---give us a
break!

Oh, well, I'm tired, cranky, and am trying to clean up and pack up this
****hole we call a computer room so Ed will let me have the "good"
computer on the move this weekend.

Pam

Could you please explain what being a webtver has to do with the ability to
can? Does being able to use a computer confer some special ability to can?

Kathy

"zxcvbob" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Ophelia said:

"pjjehg" wrote...

Quoted message said:

This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a
WebTVer. She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly
restrained in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't
quite... She wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.

What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just
point their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain
lurking and searching?

Ahh I didn't know.

Quoted message said:

Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

I can't answer that but I think it is lovely that you do. I am sure I
would care too if I understood the problems

I know absolutely nothing about WebTV and its problems🙁

O

WebTV does seem to have a disproportionate number of idiots (all ISP's
have their share), but I have no idea what set off Pam; Nancy's post
looked perfectly reasonable to me. No dancing frogs or singing kittens or
fully animated local weather reports... ;-)

Welcome to Nancy. But you'll get more and better *canning* advice at
rec.food.preserving

Best regards,
Bob

Sorry, Nancy and Bob, I'm very cranky these days---I'm moving. I think part
of my problem with the WebTV crew is that they never seem to take the time
to lurk and read, to learn how this or that particular group operates, to
learn just some basic netiquette. Have you seen even a basic Hi, I'm so and
so, from any of them? We just had an 18-year-old dude with a question on
cooking with wine who had the manners to introduce himself to the group.
Jacqui works very hard to educate this group, and I applaud her. I'm just
not all that patient these days, and I apologize.

BTW, for those who don't know me, I'm one of the original trollops. I
posted regularly for some time (under various addresses), disappeared for
awhile, wandered in again, disappeared again, wandered in, and disappeared,
and have been back for a fair time at this point. I'm not always mannerly,
but I try to be! I live a looong way down the street from Melba, but in the
same part of the world, although Ed and I are moving to
Colorado---officially 10/1. Ed is responsible for introducing to the world
"Campbell's" Cream of Lutefisk Soup.

Dang, Carol, I promised that we pass the official
"first-off-the-assembly-line" cans to you and Gene. We'll get to
that---unless you're afraid to have them in the house! Now that I think of
it, they might blow up during transport.

Pam

"kr_gentner" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

"pjjehg" wrote

This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a WebTVer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly
restrained in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't
quite... She wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.

What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just
point their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain
lurking and searching? Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

The only other newsgroup to which I regularly post is rec.art.mystery.
We don't get much of the WebTV scene; some crossposting with other
groups, but we're small enough and nasty enough (outside the group) to
fight back. The very few
WebTVer's who have shown up over the years have been very circumspect.

I keep thinking that there should be a firewall when WebTVers start
posting---"Read this www and Usenet and whatever manual. There will be a
test. If you do not pass the test, phhffttt, you can't play." I know
that's not fair---look at all the a***oles out here! It's just that they
come in here like they have the keys to kingdom and who are we---give us
a break!

Oh, well, I'm tired, cranky, and am trying to clean up and pack up this
****hole we call a computer room so Ed will let me have the "good"
computer on the move this weekend.

Pam

Could you please explain what being a webtver has to do with the ability
to can? Does being able to use a computer confer some special ability to
can?

Kathy

Sorry, Kathy, I'm just cranky these days. Please read the other post I sent
in reply on this thread.

Pam

pjjehg said:

"zxcvbob" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Ophelia said:

"pjjehg" wrote...

>This is all well and good, Ophelia and Barb. However, Nancy is a
>WebTVer. She hasn't had (sp?) jacqui's training session. She was fairly
>restrained in this OP, but I caught an earlier one from her that wasn't
>quite... She wasn't abusive, she just wasn't in the neighborhood.
>
>What is it? Does WebTV give these incredible specials or do they just
>point their clients at newsgroups periodically? Why can't they explain
>lurking and searching?

Ahh I didn't know.

>Oh, who do I think I am and why do I care? ;-)

I can't answer that but I think it is lovely that you do. I am sure I
would care too if I understood the problems

I know absolutely nothing about WebTV and its problems🙁

O

WebTV does seem to have a disproportionate number of idiots (all ISP's
have their share), but I have no idea what set off Pam; Nancy's post
looked perfectly reasonable to me. No dancing frogs or singing kittens or
fully animated local weather reports... ;-)

Welcome to Nancy. But you'll get more and better *canning* advice at
rec.food.preserving

Best regards,
Bob

Sorry, Nancy and Bob, I'm very cranky these days---I'm moving. I think part
of my problem with the WebTV crew is that they never seem to take the time
to lurk and read, to learn how this or that particular group operates, to
learn just some basic netiquette. Have you seen even a basic Hi, I'm so and
so, from any of them? We just had an 18-year-old dude with a question on
cooking with wine who had the manners to introduce himself to the group.
Jacqui works very hard to educate this group, and I applaud her. I'm just
not all that patient these days, and I apologize.

BTW, for those who don't know me, I'm one of the original trollops. I

I've been posting here long enough that I might remotely be considered a
regular. I still don't know what a trollop is but I assume it is a
good thing?

Quoted message said:

posted regularly for some time (under various addresses), disappeared for
awhile, wandered in again, disappeared again, wandered in, and disappeared,
and have been back for a fair time at this point. I'm not always mannerly,
but I try to be! I live a looong way down the street from Melba, but in the
same part of the world, although Ed and I are moving to
Colorado---officially 10/1. Ed is responsible for introducing to the world
"Campbell's" Cream of Lutefisk Soup.

Dang, Carol, I promised that we pass the official
"first-off-the-assembly-line" cans to you and Gene. We'll get to
that---unless you're afraid to have them in the house! Now that I think of
it, they might blow up during transport.

Pam

"~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

I've been posting here long enough that I might remotely be considered a
regular. I still don't know what a trollop is but I assume it is a good
thing?

Well, Damsel is the head trollop, and most of us are charter members.
If she says you can join, you will be 37 years of age forthwith and anon.

nancy

"~patches~" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

pjjehg wrote:

lots of snippage

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

BTW, for those who don't know me, I'm one of the original trollops. I

I've been posting here long enough that I might remotely be considered a
regular. I still don't know what a trollop is but I assume it is a good
thing?

Oh, yes, trollop is good. Just ask Carol (Damsel). She started it, IIRC,
and the rest of us all sang in harmony!!!!! ;-) Barb (Melba), Terry
(Squeaks) ... dang, who all was there at the time? Kay Hartman, Mary
Frye---both coasts were well represented.

BTW, I think I started in '95 or '96 or thereabouts. I'd have to check.

Pam