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    Bill Eitner
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    Today is my 100th day without a drink.
    When I decided that a change was needed
    I researched alternatives to AA because
    I don't care for the 12-step approach.
    The two that made the most sense to me
    were MM (Moderation Management) and RR
    (Rational Recovery). It sounds like MM
    might be a good fit for you. The entire
    program is online so it's very easy to
    explore. I highly recommend it.

    My involvement with MM started with my
    choosing to employ a 30 day abstinence.
    At first I liked the idea that I wouldn't
    have to commit to permanent abstinence.
    However, by the end of the 30 days
    permanent abstinence was making a lot
    more sense. The way it stands now, I
    understand the rules/limits of moderation.
    If I ever drink again it'll be by those
    rules/limits.

    As for weight loss, not drinking helps
    in a number of ways. Successful weight
    and health management requires adopting
    a way of life that leads to ones goals
    and can be done continuously for the rest
    of ones life. Reducing drinking to
    moderate or abstinence levels is only
    one of a handful of things that have to
    be done. At this point you need to
    commit yourself to a drinking program
    and an eating program. I recommend
    that you do some research first. If
    you try to do this by making random,
    half-hearted changes, you'll probably
    fail.

    Good luck.
    --

    Alan said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks everyone (well, almost everyone!) for their comments. Much
    appreciated. I will keep you posted. I had some drinks at home
    (vodka, whisky, etc.) which I have now poured down the sink.

    I don't want to overemphasise the alcohol consumption. Most doctors
    wouldn't think it was excessive at all. I'm certainly not someone
    whose life revolves around alcohol. I can go for a week without
    drinking very easily. The only problem is that if I have one, I tend
    to have a few more. Also I like the Great British Pub - it's just a
    nice place to hang out! And for various reasons the last two weeks
    have involved a lot of socialising in situations where it's hard to
    resist having a drink or two.

    However, much as I enjoy spending time in the pub, I know what is more
    important to me in the long run - losing weight and improving my body
    image. So I will need to act accordingly. I guess there's no easy
    answer - I'll just have to grit my teeth & get on with it.

    Alan.

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  2. workdramas
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    Today is my 100th day without a drink.

    Congrats, Bill!

    I haven't had a drink since Dec 31, 1999. I feel the same way you do
    about AA, but MM never worked for me. I simply cannot drink in
    moderation <shrug>. Abstinence is a much better option for me. I still
    go to clubs, I go to Vegas, I "party" with my friends, but I don't have
    any hangovers and I always remember what I did the night before. It
    rules. Unfortunately, I think people love the social aspect of drinking
    so much and don't want to be seen as nerdly that they'll continue to
    drink even if it's not the best thing for them. There are some people
    in this world who simply should not drink, but nobody wants to see
    themself that way even if it's true. Self awareness is so much cooler
    than being a lush, but lot's of folks just don't get it.

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  3. Saffire
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    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Today is my 100th day without a drink.

    Congrats, Bill!

    I haven't had a drink since Dec 31, 1999.

    Congrats to BOTH of you!

    Quoted message said:

    I feel the same way you do
    about AA, but MM never worked for me. I simply cannot drink in
    moderation <shrug>. Abstinence is a much better option for me. I still
    go to clubs, I go to Vegas, I "party" with my friends, but I don't have
    any hangovers and I always remember what I did the night before. It
    rules. Unfortunately, I think people love the social aspect of drinking
    so much and don't want to be seen as nerdly that they'll continue to
    drink even if it's not the best thing for them. There are some people
    in this world who simply should not drink, but nobody wants to see
    themself that way even if it's true. Self awareness is so much cooler
    than being a lush, but lot's of folks just don't get it.

    I've never had a problem with alcohol -- I can take it or leave it and,
    since it presumably wouldn't mix well with some medications I take, I
    just decided not to drink anymore after about 1991 or so (but sometimes
    I cook with wine), so it's hard for me to relate ... until I think about
    it in the same terms as being addicted to high-carb foods. It was
    pretty hard to conceive of not having all those cookies, candies,
    breads, etc., and I seriously doubt I would have been able to commit to
    it so well without the support and enthusiasm of people here. Since I
    feel so much better, it seems like a no-brainer now -- but I wouldn't
    have "gotten it" pre-low-carb.

    I know being addicted to carbs is not the same thing as being addicted
    to alcohol or some chemical substance, but it's probably as close as I
    can get to relating -- God knows I felt like like most of the time and
    hated myself for not being able to control my carb intake, and it sure
    as hell played havoc with my body.

    I know that alcoholism DOES run in families, and my father was an
    alcoholic, so I feel like I dodged a bullet there. His (presumably)
    alcohol-influenced behavior sure as hell had a life-long effect on MY
    outlook on life, I can tell you THAT! My parents split up when I was 7,
    and he died when I was 13; I didn't know that he had been an alcoholic
    until I was 17 and my mom finally felt that me and my sister were old
    enough to know about it. It explained a LOT, but I'm STILL mad at him
    for things he did and didn't do (not sexual, but emotional), and I
    turned 50 last June. Since he died before any of this could be
    addressed, it will never be resolved for me and I'll always be somewhat
    angry at him. So any of you out there that suspect you may have a
    drinking problem, think about how YOUR children (assuming you have any)
    might feel about YOU when they are 50. That should sober you up a
    little, or at least slow you down.

    --
    Saffire
    205/130/125
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

    *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
    in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

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  4. workdramas
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Today is my 100th day without a drink.

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats, Bill!

    Quoted message said:

    I haven't had a drink since Dec 31, 1999.

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats to BOTH of you!

    Thank you, Saffie :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I know being addicted to carbs is not the same thing as being addicted
    to alcohol or some chemical substance

    Actually it might be more similar than you think. I've read about links
    between alocoholism and hypoglycemia/carb cravings. Here's a link that
    discusses it in detail. I hope people won't get turned off by the AA
    reference. Hopefully most folks can read it for the scientific data and
    ignore any dogma or AA stigma. I'm pressed for time otherwise I would
    be madly googling for other links.

    http://204.147.80.67/~brecovery/correcting_chemistry.html

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  5. Hannah Gruen
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    "workdramas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Actually it might be more similar than you think. I've read about links
    between alocoholism and hypoglycemia/carb cravings.

    You might be interested to know that there was an informal poll done on
    asdl-c several years ago on this very subject. There were a *lot* of
    responses - this group was extremely busy at that point in history. The poll
    related problems handling carbs - cravings, etc., probably roughly
    coincident to insulin resistance - to family history of alcoholism. Not
    surprisingly, there was a marked association between the two.

    This was just an informal poll and therefore not scientific in any way, but
    the results definitely did correspond to what you are indicating here.
    Someone might want to Google the group for that, if they have the time. I
    thought it was interesting.

    HG

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  6. workdramas
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    Hahhah said:

    You might be interested to know that there was an informal poll done on
    asdl-c several years ago on this very subject.

    Yes, of course! VERY interesting. Sorry if I came off sounding like a
    know-it-all. People here obviously know this stuff . In fact it's
    possible this forum was where I initially learned of the
    hypoglycemia/alcoholism link back when I was mosly lurking. My bad.

    Here is a link to the survey results compiled by a nice lady named
    Tamera:
    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/browse_frm/thread/18ef22e2d64d7b41/f5241b3789c66efd?q=family+history+of+alcoholism+poll&rnum=2&hl=en#f5241b3789c66efd

    Thanks all!

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