Poll; Lanyard

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:30 +0100, Dewi
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Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

NO

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:30 +0100
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Dewi <[email hidden]> wrote :

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Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

IT DEPENDS
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Dewi said:

Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

ABSTAIN.
(no, it's not a good idea, nor is it a particularly bad one.)

Why do you ask?

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wonderful person Dewi <[email hidden]> said

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Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

It depends on what you are doing, and what the alternatives are. I
almost always have my MP3 player on a lanyard, but it's tucked in a
pocket so there is no lanyard free to catch on anything. I sometimes
have a GPS on a lanyard, when having it on a belt clip is likely to get
it wrecked. Rock climbing it would probably be stupid - too many things
you could hook up on. Walking, you'd have to try really, really hard to
do any damage, and =most= lanyards are designed to break before your
neck does anyway (although you could still strangle yourself, slowly).

It isn't a mega problem. You can strangle yourself just as well on your
vest, rucksack, jacket, or hood...

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Yes or No

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Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:43:41 +0100, "Howey" <[email hidden]>

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Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

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Yes or No

Tut, tut: get it right!

YES or NO in the body.

:-))

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Peewiglet said:

On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:43:41 +0100, "Howey" <[email hidden]>

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"Dewi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

Quoted message said:

Yes or No

Tut, tut: get it right!

YES or NO in the body.

:-))

Best wishes,

Stir that pot!

Dewi said:

Poll; Is it a good idea to have a lanyard (With; compass or GPS or Map
case etc ) around ones neck.

to vote; reply with YES or NO in the body.

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Whatever is convienent at the time......

Use common sense. There is no clear YES or NO.
I lean towards NO, but often have something else around my neck, but
secured and not flapping about, like a camera or binoculars. Compass in
outside pack pocket, maps in the outside flap of my partners pack. It
is readable then without a lot of fuss. When solo, its in mine in a
side pocket I can reach easily.

Why put something around your neck that you can choke or gag upon?
(smile)

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Rock climbing it would probably be stupid - too many things
you could hook up on.

Back in the dim and distant past when I did a bit of climbing ISTR that
the neck was *the* convenient place to hang spare slings from. ;-)

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Rock climbing it would probably be stupid - too many things
you could hook up on.

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Back in the dim and distant past when I did a bit of climbing ISTR that
the neck was *the* convenient place to hang spare slings from. ;-)

And remains so. You /could/ clip them onto your harness but you've a
much better chance of catching them on something and pulling yourself
off if they're dangling down there. And of course it's reasonably
common to climb in a helmet, which has a chin strap. People have been
hanged by their own helmets before, so you need to address that fact
before you get too paranoid about anything else around your neck.

I don't have much time for jewelery myself, but the legions of necklace
wearers in the world don't seem to be dying in accident related droves
on the hills and crags...

Pete.
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:02:49 +0100, Peter Clinch

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I don't have much time for jewelery myself, but the legions of necklace
wearers in the world don't seem to be dying in accident related droves
on the hills and crags...

Pete.

And how easy is it to break the 'necklace', very in my experience.

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Dewi said:

And how easy is it to break the 'necklace', very in my experience.

Varies from necklace to necklace. While many will break they'd still
leave a nasty injury before they went, yet I don't see many walkers and
climbers with scarred necks, but I do see a lot in necklaces. Some make
them out of cord to dangle a pendant on, which is (a) more likely to
catch on something and (b) the cord is /not/ easily broken. Yet these
people aren't dying either...

Time to face facts Dewi, if you're intent on absolutely maximising
safety to 100 decimal places then a neck lanyard may well be a problem,
but in terms of them actually causing problems in reality it's basically
a non-issue for recreational walkers. Every year about 350 people are
killed in trips and falls, majoring on stairs. So you'd probably do far
more for your safety coming down any stairs you use on all fours than
you would by never putting a lanyard round your neck. Do you do that?
No? Why not? Because "more dangerous" isn't necessarily dangerous
/enough/ to be worth doing anything about it is why I don't, I suspect
it's the same for you.

Pete.
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On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:53:55 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
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| Because "more dangerous" isn't necessarily dangerous
| /enough/ to be worth doing anything about it is why I don't, I suspect
| it's the same for you.

In the UK we kill about 10 people per day in road accidents.
If the death rate is more than, or about equal to that I do something about
it.
If the death rate, because of a risk, is much less than 10 people per day,
I ignore that risk.

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Dave Fawthrop said:

In the UK we kill about 10 people per day in road accidents.
If the death rate is more than, or about equal to that I do something about
it.
If the death rate, because of a risk, is much less than 10 people per day,
I ignore that risk.

I'd be a bit more careful about your measures. Base jumping is almost
certainly more dangerous than driving, but far, far fewer than 10 people
a day get killed doing it in the UK. You need to take into account the
size of the population who take the risk and the frequency with which
they are exposed to it.

Wearing stuff around your neck is a case in point where a /lot/ of
people do it on a daily basis, often on a 24/7 basis! So probably a
fair assessment in this particular case, but "if less than 10 people get
killed a day in the UK it's pretty safe" isn't, of itself, a very good
measure. From the dry version, taken literally, you wouldn't bother
taking avalanche risk into account while winter hillwalking, which is
not a Cunning Plan IMHO.

Pete.
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It absolutely astounds me! I made a simple comment in jest( complete
with the smile in parentheses) about hanging things around the neck and
choking. And two days later people are still disputing the concept or
debating it, I cannot tell.

Right, I have not seen many people hanging from their necklaces in the
wilderness either. Nor from their lanyards.

I did not realize this question was relative to CLIMBING, I came in on
Sept 19 when it seemed like a simple question. A poll.

Alas, Alack! Moving on...

On 22 Sep 2005 19:16:10 -0700, "Hiker" <[email hidden]>

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I did not realize this question was relative to CLIMBING, I came in on
Sept 19 when it seemed like a simple question. A poll.

Welcome to urw! I'm surprised it's stayed as close to the original
topic as it has, not one mention of Photoshop so far. Until now, that
is - bugger!

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It seems that this issue has been adressed by the U.S. Military:

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/Grimloc-Locking-D-ring-P589C48.aspx

🙂

With regard to the risk thing. Now-a-days most companies seem to regard
product design as a damage limitation excercise. Or " We must reduce the
chance of us being sued" (Do you think Silva need warning about that red
cord they put on their compasses? 🙂 )
Has anyone seen a Baby Burco water boiler recently? You know? The water
boilers belovéd of Mothers Unions, Womens Institutes, Scout Troops or
any organisation that needs to make lots of tea/coffee/bovril. No side
handles as in days of yore. They're paranoid someone will strain
themselves lifting it, or spill boiling water on themselves carrying it.
As http://www.wheresthepath.com/ says in their, for me un-necessary,
caveat "we're not your mum", because my mum used to say: "Don't be a
baby" & "Serves you right for...." 🙂
N.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:02:46 GMT, Neil Roberts

dropped their trousers and said:

With regard to the risk thing. Now-a-days most companies seem to regard
product design as a damage limitation excercise. Or " We must reduce the
chance of us being sued" (Do you think Silva need warning about that red
cord they put on their compasses? 🙂 )

The cord is a very useful part of the compass. Most people I suspect
use the lanyard to attach the compass to a belt loop, through a button
hole or around their wrist if doing a speed event.

Plain daft to put it around your neck, never mind what some people
say...

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