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>> "MikeyOz" == MikeyOz <[email hidden]> writes:

MikeyOz> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/parking-space-tax-to-hit-city-commuters/2005/09/23/1126982188797.html

A couple of weeks ago I went for a coffee with a couple of colleagues
during the working day. One's a cyclist, the other's just transferred
over from on of our contracted company.

Over coffee the new guy was asking about the parking 'cause his old firm
paid all that for him. Our people get concession rates but it does come
out of their own pocket. Anyway five minutes of this and I eventually
said "I don't really know mate, you'll have to ask a motorist."

Colleague grins evilly and says "Exactly."

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Euan said:

>>>>> "MikeyOz" == MikeyOz <[email hidden]> writes:

MikeyOz> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/parking-space-tax-to-hit-city-commuters/2005/09/23/1126982188797.html

A couple of weeks ago I went for a coffee with a couple of colleagues
during the working day. One's a cyclist, the other's just transferred
over from on of our contracted company.

Over coffee the new guy was asking about the parking 'cause his old firm
paid all that for him. Our people get concession rates but it does come
out of their own pocket. Anyway five minutes of this and I eventually
said "I don't really know mate, you'll have to ask a motorist."

Colleague grins evilly and says "Exactly."

:-)
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Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

This brings me to a question I wonder about everytiume we hear "Motorists slugged by petrol prices.... etc.etc."

When do you become a motorist? (as opposed to just a bloke sitting in a car)

Is it the driving gloves? The hat? A number of hours in the week sitting idle in traffic? When you read the Drive section in The Age? When you do more mileage in your car than on your bike?

MikeyOz said:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/
parking-space-tax-to-hit-city-commuters/2005/09/23/1126982188797.html

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Jennifer Cunich, executive director of the Property Council of
Australia, said it would slug a two-car family, who had no choice but to
drive to work, about $50 per week.

"No choice"? I find that *very* hard to believe. The CBD is so well
serviced by public transport, I'm sure that there are alternatives that
won't cost that much.

I also have to agree with Fraser Brindley. If I had the money to give
away, there are two projects that I'd be doing as a matter of priority:
duplicating the rail line out to Epping (it's single line for a
considerable distance, which puts a major crimp on the services that can
run), and a rail line out to Monash Uni. Then I'd look at putting a line
down the middle of the Eastern Freeway, as was originally planned.
(grrrrr.)

"What would I do if I won Tattslotto?" 🙂

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"He also said there would be exemptions for shift workers, temporary
car parks for events such as the football and disabled car parks."

What!? That's exactly the thing you don't want people to drive to!
All those idjits going to a freaking football match, clogging up the
roads not letting bicycle traffic through, can fit easily enough in
trains.

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MikeyOz said:

theage.com.au1126982188797.htmlOpen ↗

see the story on page 2 outlining how much cycling has increased in the CBD (albeit over the last 13 years!) and that the Spotswood Ferry is going to increase services due to demand from cyclists 7 days a week during peakhour!!!

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>> "Shabby" == Shabby <[email hidden]> writes:

Shabby> This brings me to a question I wonder about everytiume we
Shabby> hear "Motorists slugged by petrol prices.... etc.etc."

Shabby> When do you become a motorist? (as opposed to just a bloke
Shabby> sitting in a car)

When the car is the only transport option that you can consider.

Seriously, same guy he lives in Narre Warren. I can't remember the exact
figures but just the parking worked out at $35 for five days and a five
pack of tickets came to something like $47?ish? Hadn't even crossed his
mind to check the PT option even though it'd save him a heap of cash and
frustration.
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flyingdutch said:

see the story on page 2 outlining how much cycling has increased in the CBD (albeit over the last 13 years!) and that the Spotswood Ferry is going to increase services due to demand from cyclists 7 days a week during peakhour!!!

Cool.... what better way to get to work! So the money instead of going to oil companies will go to other companies! yeah!

Ive heard the energy companies are struggling, apparently they need some "money" or "excise" to help them investigate sustainable fuel *cough*

I mean im sure thats where the money would have gone, but unfortunately they would not have found anything.

MikeyOz said:

Cool.... what better way to get to work! So the money instead of going to oil companies will go to other companies! yeah!

Ive heard the energy companies are struggling, apparently they need some "money" or "excise" to help them investigate sustainable fuel *cough*

I mean im sure thats where the money would have gone, but unfortunately they would not have found anything.

<cynicism> No, they will just invest that money in patents on anything viable and put it in the cupboard till they have milked out as much money fro mcurrent systems </cynicism>

Shabby said:

This brings me to a question I wonder about everytiume we hear "Motorists slugged by petrol prices.... etc.etc."

When do you become a motorist? (as opposed to just a bloke sitting in a car)

Is it the driving gloves? The hat? A number of hours in the week sitting idle in traffic? When you read the Drive section in The Age? When you do more mileage in your car than on your bike?

Dunno about when you become a motorist, but I'm prepared to claim anyone as a cyclist as soon as their bum hits the bike saddle for the first time 😄

SteveA

Stuart Lamble said:

"No choice"? I find that *very* hard to believe. The CBD is so well
serviced by public transport,

Yes, THE CBD is well served with public transport.

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I'm sure that there are alternatives that won't cost that much.

It isn't the cost of the train and bus tickets, but the time you wait
waiting to change from one service to another.

The problem, if you live in the burbs, is that most jobs are not in the
CBD and if you are lucky to have a job in the CBD, then you still have
to get to a major PT artery first.

Now whilst I was young and fit, it was nothing to walk 20 minutes to the
train station then a bus and do the reverse on the homeward leg.

but lets face it, PT isn't good and isn't a complete solution.

which is why I think bicycle routes are;
they are individual,
they are far cheaper than roads or PT,
they are healthier,
etc,

TimC said:

"He also said there would be exemptions for shift workers, temporary
car parks for events such as the football and disabled car parks."

What!? That's exactly the thing you don't want people to drive to!
All those idjits going to a freaking football match, clogging up the
roads not letting bicycle traffic through, can fit easily enough in
trains.

Spot on. With planning it is possible, e.g. Sydney Olympic Park.
Now, if only they had enough trains to not have to rob every other line
for trains.

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Terry Collins said:

Stuart Lamble said:

"No choice"? I find that *very* hard to believe. The CBD is so well
serviced by public transport,

Yes, THE CBD is well served with public transport.

And this is exactly the area we're talking about here -- this is the
area that will be "slugged" with this tax, hence my comment.

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I'm sure that there are alternatives that won't cost that much.

It isn't the cost of the train and bus tickets, but the time you wait
waiting to change from one service to another.

The problem, if you live in the burbs, is that most jobs are not in the
CBD and if you are lucky to have a job in the CBD, then you still have
to get to a major PT artery first.

Which is not that big a deal for the *most* part. Some areas, like
Doncaster, Templestowe, Rowville, and the like, don't have ready access
to train services; those are the areas I'd be targetting with new rail
lines (as I said, if I had the money to burn). Other areas are
sufficiently close to rail that it's easy to drive the car to the train
station and board up.

As for the waiting time, if you don't have ready access to a train
service, there's usually a bus service that will get you to said train
service without too much fuss, and during peak hour, you aren't waiting
very long for a train. I'm somewhat lucky, in that I'm on the Ringwood
line (trains every five minutes in peak hour), but even on the least
serviced routes, I'm sure there's a service at least every fifteen
minutes, possibly less.

As for those that don't work in the CBD, that's not the context of my
comment, as I said above. We're looking at an article about a tax on CBD
car parking spots (as I understand it); hence, I'm looking at
alternative ways to get in to the CBD.

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but lets face it, PT isn't good and isn't a complete solution.

It's a good starting point. First step is to reduce the cars on the
roads; second step is to eliminate them altogether. PT takes care of the
first; bikes are how we do the second. 🙂

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which is why I think bicycle routes are;
they are individual,
they are far cheaper than roads or PT,
they are healthier,
etc,

Oh, I definitely agree we need to see more people cycling to work. I'm
just saying that one of the best ways to do that is to get them out of
the rush, rush, rush mentality, and make them learn to slow down a
little. Then we can get them on the bikes without them whinging that
it's too slow (it isn't -- I'm faster getting to work on my bike than in
my car -- but that's one of the perceptions.)

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On 2005-09-22, Stuart Lamble (aka Bruce)
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MikeyOz said:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/
parking-space-tax-to-hit-city-commuters/2005/09/23/1126982188797.html

Quote:
Jennifer Cunich, executive director of the Property Council of
Australia, said it would slug a two-car family, who had no choice but to
drive to work, about $50 per week.

"No choice"? I find that *very* hard to believe. The CBD is so well
serviced by public transport, I'm sure that there are alternatives that
won't cost that much.

I read it as "2 car families, who have no choice buy to drive to work,
but 1 car families do have the choice.". Because, you know, obviously.

Car pooling is so tricksy for my tiny little co-co-nut head!

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TimC

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You seem to be implying here that one gets rich after gaining a PhD?

Of course one does. The other 99 out of a hundred get bitter.
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>>> "MikeyOz" == MikeyOz <[email hidden]>
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MikeyOz>
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/parking-space-tax-to-hit-city-commuters/2005/09/23/1126982188797.html

A couple of weeks ago I went for a coffee with a couple of colleagues
during the working day. One's a cyclist, the other's just transferred
over from on of our contracted company.

Over coffee the new guy was asking about the parking 'cause his old firm
paid all that for him. Our people get concession rates but it does come
out of their own pocket. Anyway five minutes of this and I eventually
said "I don't really know mate, you'll have to ask a motorist."

Colleague grins evilly and says "Exactly."

:-)
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Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

After I voiced a criticism of 4WDs, one person responded that his xxxxx 4WD
was more economical than a Volvo or a Mercedez. "I don't drive any of these"
I answered. "I ride my bicycle to work. I haven't filled up my Pulsar for
four weeks".

Henry.