Trek mis-statement

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From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always
packed booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With
a Trek winning the Tour once again with Lance and for the first time
ever, an American bike has won the Giro d'Italia, so there is a huge
demand for Trek's high end road bikes even in Italy!"

Apparently Italy's Trek importer doesn't follow the Giro very well.
Or just lies because he is a Trek dealer.

Last I knew Cannondale was an American bike and they have won the Giro
several times in the past. Most recently in 2004 with Cunego. Simoni
and Gotti before that I believe.

What bike was Hampsten using in 1988 with 7-Eleven? Huffy/Serotta or
Merckx?

Sad to see cyclingnews reprinting PR releases. But their focus has changed
a lot in 2005. Reprinting and not even reading, it also seems. Jeff should
leave the beer for after, not before, editing. Maybe a helium leak got to
him. Would that work ?

Cannodale? I think it's French. America disowned them.

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Last I knew Cannondale was an American bike and they have won the Giro
several times in the past. Most recently in 2004 with Cunego. Simoni
and Gotti before that I believe.

Isn't C'dale dutch? I know they have a factory here somewhere, althoughh
that could just be an acquired property.

Jasper

Jasper Janssen said:

Isn't C'dale dutch? I know they have a factory here somewhere, althoughh
that could just be an acquired property.

from http://cannondale.com/company/index.html:

"Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and
produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company
operates subsidiaries in Holland, Japan, and Australia, and and is owned
by Pegasus Partners II, L.P., a private equity investment firm based in
Greenwich, Connecticut."

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Dave
dvt at psu dot edu

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From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With a Trek
winning the Tour once again with Lance and for the first time ever, an
American bike has won the Giro d'Italia, so there is a huge demand for
Trek's high end road bikes even in Italy!"

The quote now excludes the "first time ever" part.

--
Dave
dvt at psu dot edu

dvt said:

Jasper Janssen said:

Isn't C'dale dutch? I know they have a factory here somewhere, althoughh
that could just be an acquired property.

from http://cannondale.com/company/index.html:

"Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and
produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company
operates subsidiaries in Holland, Japan, and Australia, and and is owned
by Pegasus Partners II, L.P., a private equity investment firm based in
Greenwich, Connecticut."

Ah, so it's just a subsidiary. Thanks.

Jasper

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From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth.

I was at EICMA, and the Trek booth wasn't nearly as crowded as the
Colnago 'villa', particularly when Ernesto said 'bon jurno'. Trek and
other american booths were there, of course, but it seemed the
populace(this was a consumer show) were more interested in the many
Italian brands, most of which never make it to the USA.

Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With a Trek

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winning the Tour once again with Lance and for the first time ever, an
American bike has won the Giro d'Italia, so there is a huge demand for
Trek's high end road bikes even in Italy!"

Apparently Italy's Trek importer doesn't follow the Giro very well. Or
just lies because he is a Trek dealer.

Last I knew Cannondale was an American bike and they have won the Giro
several times in the past. Most recently in 2004 with Cunego. Simoni
and Gotti before that I believe.

What bike was Hampsten using in 1988 with 7-Eleven? Huffy/Serotta or
Merckx?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With a Trek
winning the Tour once again with Lance and for the first time ever, an
American bike has won the Giro d'Italia, so there is a huge demand for
Trek's high end road bikes even in Italy!"

Apparently Italy's Trek importer doesn't follow the Giro very well. Or
just lies because he is a Trek dealer.

Last I knew Cannondale was an American bike and they have won the Giro
several times in the past. Most recently in 2004 with Cunego. Simoni
and Gotti before that I believe.

You don't understand politico-speak. This was transcribed from a verbal
statement. Just change the last two commas to semi-colons and you have
a statement that could have come straight from the mouths of Scott
Mclellan (Bush press secretary) or Bush himself. And of course it would
be absolutely true, so help them God.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

I was at EICMA, and the Trek booth wasn't nearly as crowded as the
Colnago 'villa', particularly when Ernesto said 'bon jurno'. Trek and

Buon giorno.

Jasper (You may parla Campy, but the Italian not so much 😉 )

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always
packed booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With
a Trek winning the Tour once again with Lance and for the first time
ever, an American bike has won the Giro d'Italia, so there is a huge
demand for Trek's high end road bikes even in Italy!"

Apparently Italy's Trek importer doesn't follow the Giro very well.
Or just lies because he is a Trek dealer.

Last I knew Cannondale was an American bike and they have won the
Giro several times in the past. Most recently in 2004 with Cunego.
Simoni and Gotti before that I believe.

You don't understand politico-speak. This was transcribed from a
verbal statement. Just change the last two commas to semi-colons and
you have a statement that could have come straight from the mouths of
Scott Mclellan (Bush press secretary) or Bush himself. And of course
it would be absolutely true, so help them God.

Wow. So even Trek's marketing mistakes are Bush's fault? The man must
/really/ be all-powerful!

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From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With a Trek
winning the Tour

That's false. The Tour is not won by machinery, but by riders and
teams. It has been won for the last 7 years by Lance.

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once again with Lance and for the first time ever, an
American bike has won the Giro d'Italia,

No, the Giro is also won by human beings, not by inanimate hardware.

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23 Sep 2005 16:51:59 -0400 Sheldon Brown said:

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From Cycling News

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Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With a Trek
winning the Tour

That's false. The Tour is not won by machinery, but by riders and
teams. It has been won for the last 7 years by Lance.

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once again with Lance and for the first time ever, an
American bike has won the Giro d'Italia,

No, the Giro is also won by human beings, not by inanimate hardware.

Sheldon "People, Not Machines" Brown

True, but I think Lance put it better:

"It's not about the bike."

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In article <[email hidden]>,

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From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth. Trek importer Phil Edwards told Cyclingnews that "With a Trek
winning the Tour once again with Lance and for the first time ever, an
American bike has won the Giro d'Italia, so there is a huge demand for
Trek's high end road bikes even in Italy!"

Trek's fortunes might change with a mountain stage win by Ivan Basso
and his Cervelo -- a Canadian bike maker based in Montreal, Quebec not
too far from Guru bikes. Cervelo is basically king of the mountain in
the triathlon and TT arena.

But wait, some Trek dealers would love to enlighten people not to buy
Cervelos because they have shorter chainstays and they wear faster blah
blah blah!

Wake up folks.. Tours are won by riders, 7 of them by Lance and not by
machines. Whether you ride a Trek, Cannondale, Cervelo, Guru or even
Litespeed -- it doesn't really matter. In fact, Lance rode a Litespeed
Blade painted in USPS banner in his earlier TT events on earlier tours.

Little do anyone here know that, some TDF riders ride with a different
make bike than that sponsored by their team!! Some riders ride
Litespeeds or Cervelos or whatever painted over with either their
European or North American team and bike maker logos. You simply can't
be sure. The reason for this I suspect is probably "FIT"! Yes, fit is
very important and Lance doesn't take this very lightly. He insists
upon it and that's why, his bikes are all the same fit, so he can
exercise his infamous turbo power mashing on the TT or on the Alps..

The motto is always simple. Buy a bike that fits you right. Don't buy
a bike simply because you're afraid your chain and cassette are
guaranteed to wear down quicker than a Trek or a Cannondale. There's
one guarantee nothing will wear down much at all and that is a poorly
fitted bike and you're not riding at all.

David..

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si parla Campagnolo said:

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From Cycling News

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Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth.

I was at EICMA, and the Trek booth wasn't nearly as crowded as the
Colnago 'villa', particularly when Ernesto said 'bon jurno'. Trek and
other american booths were there, of course, but it seemed the
populace(this was a consumer show) were more interested in the many
Italian brands, most of which never make it to the USA.

But you can get Italian workmanship plus more with Guru bikes, based
out of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.. I'll pick a Guru Carbone over a
Colnago C40, basically on craftmanship and superb quality control..

David..

David said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Qui

si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted message said:

>From Cycling News

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052

Yo Big Tex
Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
booth.

I was at EICMA, and the Trek booth wasn't nearly as crowded as the
Colnago 'villa', particularly when Ernesto said 'bon jurno'. Trek and
other american booths were there, of course, but it seemed the
populace(this was a consumer show) were more interested in the many
Italian brands, most of which never make it to the USA.

But you can get Italian workmanship plus more with Guru bikes, based
out of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.. I'll pick a Guru Carbone over a
Colnago C40, basically on craftmanship and superb quality control..

David..

I would think you would get French workmanship from Montreal based
Guru. You would have to get a Marinoni to get Italian craftsmanship.
Also near Montreal though.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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David said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Qui

si parla Campagnolo said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> >From Cycling News
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2005/shows/eicma05/?id=results/eicma052
>
> Yo Big Tex
> Lance Armstrong couldn't make it to the EICMA show this year, but his
> seven Tour de France wins were heavily featured in Trek's always packed
> booth.

I was at EICMA, and the Trek booth wasn't nearly as crowded as the
Colnago 'villa', particularly when Ernesto said 'bon jurno'. Trek and
other american booths were there, of course, but it seemed the
populace(this was a consumer show) were more interested in the many
Italian brands, most of which never make it to the USA.

But you can get Italian workmanship plus more with Guru bikes, based
out of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.. I'll pick a Guru Carbone over a
Colnago C40, basically on craftmanship and superb quality control..

David..

I would think you would get French workmanship from Montreal based
Guru. You would have to get a Marinoni to get Italian craftsmanship.
Also near Montreal though.

Hi Rus,

Guru Bikes are co-owned by Tony Giannascoli and Rob Pinazza. Adelina
Giannascoli runs the office. If you would ever think they do "french"
workmanship, they will immediately correct you on the spot.

Having said that, Guru is the only North American italian bike company
I believe to have a factory that manufacture bikes in 4 different
materials (steel, aluminium, titanium and carbon). Their first
official language in the shop is italian, though they can speak french
and english fluently too. If you look at their road bikes, they are
reminiscent of the old fashion design you'll get to expect from DeRosa,
Colnago and Pinarello (all Italian bikes). After all, the designer is
old school italian. The only problem from this company is their
company's name! Guru doesn't sound at all italian.
Guru uses prime tubing, the best Dedacciai tubings (force or U2 --
similar to Easton's Scandium) plus Ti and carbon. Dedacciai tubes are
being used by top European bike makers as well.

Craftmanship is top notch and quality control is superb -- you can't
get any better stuff, especially the Guru Crono carbon.

David.

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I would think you would get French
workmanship from Montreal based
Guru.

Have you seen the bikes up close?

JT

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I would think you would get French workmanship from Montreal based
Guru. You would have to get a Marinoni to get Italian craftsmanship.

Alex Singer and Rene Herse, boy did they suck. Those TA and Stronglight
cranks, so poorly finished and designed. Michelin tires, man what a
joke. Anything from Gilles Berthoud or Follis, stay away. And what
about the Notre Dame Cathedral and the Eiffel Tower, don't go inside
because they're gonna fall any minute!

Sheldon Brown said:

No, the Giro is also won by human beings, not by inanimate hardware.

Not being a big sports fan, I wonder how much this type of statement is
heard regarding other sports.

"Once again, the Boston Marathon was won by a Nike!"

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