No come back for Lance

"Madelaine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He needs to hire a handler--his comments have that chip-on-the-shoulder
sound. If Lance had stuck to swimming, he wouldn't have all these
problems.

I do admire Lance for coming back from cancer in such a grueling endurance
sport, but I have always found him somewhat unappealing. He is very
handsome but his face lacks expression. I also find bike racing kind of an
unappealing sport. They ride through some of the most beautiful scenery
anywhere looking at a one-foot square of pavement.

It worries me a little that just coming back from cancer isn't enough
anymore. People expected so much so soon from Mario LeMieux after he had
Hodgekin's disease.
Madelaine

All cyclists that aren't French have been accused of something or another
from time to time. I don't blame him for not going back, what else is there?
Maybe an hour record attempt, but that's hardly his bag. It would be nice to
see him on the triathlon circuit for a year or two...

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Madelaine said:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-wada-armstrong&prov=ap&type=lgns

He needs to hire a handler--his comments have that chip-on-the-shoulder
sound. If Lance had stuck to swimming, he wouldn't have all these
problems.

I do admire Lance for coming back from cancer in such a grueling
endurance sport, but I have always found him somewhat unappealing. He
is very handsome but his face lacks expression. I also find bike racing
kind of an unappealing sport. They ride through some of the most
beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a one-foot square of pavement.

It worries me a little that just coming back from cancer isn't enough
anymore. People expected so much so soon from Mario LeMieux after he had
Hodgekin's disease.
Madelaine

Lance came back from cancer because he's winner. All those people who
die from cancer... They don't want IT bad enough, I guess. They must be
just losers then.

Lance would have come back from cancer no matter when he lived 1990s or
1890s, it doesn't matter. The drugs and treatment techniques weren't
what won the battle. Lance is a hero.

But if he took EPO, he's a dirtbag.

"didgerman" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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All cyclists that aren't French have been accused of something or another
from time to time.

Yes, and french cyclists have been CONSTANTLY accused of doping.

Like Armstrong, they never tested positive.

But Virenque, Brochard, Moreau, Dufaux, Hervé, Gaumont, Vasseur... have been
prosecuted, handcuffed, undressed and searched, put in jail, they had their
home and car searched, their wife questionned, their friends, doctors and
coaches pressured by the police... until they confessed to the judge that
they doped.

That is being tough on doping.

But of course, nobody ever dared to do that with King Lance...

-- Olivier

Maybe one of them was innocent and simply confessed to avoid the
tactics you describe, which border on torture. And your response to
that sorry state of affairs is to ask that the illegal treatment be
extended to the competitors from other countries. Why not instead
insist that the French judicial system enter the 21st century?
Eric

Quoted message said:

Maybe one of them was innocent and simply confessed to avoid the
tactics you describe, which border on torture. And your response to
that sorry state of affairs is to ask that the illegal treatment be
extended to the competitors from other countries. Why not instead
insist that the French judicial system enter the 21st century?
Eric

Yes, it sounds like the Inquisition, as if the actual racing were not
torture enough. They can be broken on the two wheels... Although it
sounds like a pretty good reality show...
Madelaine
Although of French descent, I always found the Tour a bore

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Maybe one of them was innocent and simply confessed to avoid the
tactics you describe, which border on torture. And your response to
that sorry state of affairs is to ask that the illegal treatment be
extended to the competitors from other countries. Why not instead
insist that the French judicial system enter the 21st century?
Eric

Do you mean implement the prohibition of unreasonable search and seizure
and eliminate drug testing?

U.S. Constitution: Fourth Amendment

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Winning a stage of the TdF isn't probable cause. Nor is being a member
of a professional baseball team.

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Madelaine said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe one of them was innocent and simply confessed to avoid the
tactics you describe, which border on torture. And your response to
that sorry state of affairs is to ask that the illegal treatment be
extended to the competitors from other countries. Why not instead
insist that the French judicial system enter the 21st century?
Eric

Yes, it sounds like the Inquisition, as if the actual racing were not
torture enough. They can be broken on the two wheels... Although it
sounds like a pretty good reality show...
Madelaine
Although of French descent, I always found the Tour a bore

I agree that as a spectator sport, it is a bore, but having trained as a
swimmer for years and knowing what hard training is like, if not
winning, and especially after having completed a 170 kilometer bike
race, I think it is interesting to follow the daily results and keep
track of where everyone is.

<[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Quoted message said:

Maybe one of them was innocent and simply confessed to avoid the
tactics you describe, which border on torture. And your response to
that sorry state of affairs is to ask that the illegal treatment be
extended to the competitors from other countries. Why not instead
insist that the French judicial system enter the 21st century?

Well no physical violence was exerted. The treatment was tough, but legal.
This is usual police procedure to put some "pressure" to have people confess
their crime. Due to their investigation, the Police had serious reason to
believe that the cyclist doped, before prosecuting them.

And the mentionned cyclist DID cheat. After the procedure, they were all
speaking freely about it - they felt better that way, their conscience endly
relieved. EPO doping was such a common thing at the end of the 90s...

And I would not compare that to what was (is?) happening in Abu Ghraib or
Guantanemo - which IS torture...

-- Olivier

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Quoted message said:

Maybe one of them was innocent and simply confessed to avoid the
tactics you describe, which border on torture. And your response to
that sorry state of affairs is to ask that the illegal treatment be
extended to the competitors from other countries. Why not instead
insist that the French judicial system enter the 21st century?

Maybe we could send them instead to Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo - now there's a
21st century justice system at work...

Martin Smith said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-wada-armstrong&prov=ap&type=lgns

He needs to hire a handler--his comments have that chip-on-the-shoulder
sound. If Lance had stuck to swimming, he wouldn't have all these
problems.

I do admire Lance for coming back from cancer in such a grueling
endurance sport, but I have always found him somewhat unappealing. He
is very handsome but his face lacks expression. I also find bike racing
kind of an unappealing sport. They ride through some of the most
beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a one-foot square of pavement.

It worries me a little that just coming back from cancer isn't enough
anymore. People expected so much so soon from Mario LeMieux after he had
Hodgekin's disease.
Madelaine

Lance came back from cancer because he's winner. All those people who
die from cancer... They don't want IT bad enough, I guess. They must be
just losers then.

Lance would have come back from cancer no matter when he lived 1990s or
1890s, it doesn't matter. The drugs and treatment techniques weren't
what won the battle. Lance is a hero.

But if he took EPO, he's a dirtbag.

You have obviously not read his autobiography "It's Not About The
Bike".

In it, he expressly says (quoting from memory, but the sentiment if not
the exact words are correct):
"I didn't beat cancer. The doctors, nurses, drugs and treatments beat
the cancer. I survived cancer".

Liz D

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

I also find bike racing
kind of an unappealing sport. They ride through some of the most
beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a one-foot square of pavement.

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the view?

Dave Rusin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

I also find bike racing
kind of an unappealing sport. They ride through some of the most
beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a one-foot square of pavement.

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the view?

Let me explain about the aesthetics of the black line. It is a thing of
exquisite minimalist beauty, to be contemplated with full attention,
undistracted by all those green fuzzy things that stand between the
bicyclist and serious athletic activity.

ruth kazez

rtk said:

Dave Rusin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

I also find bike racing kind of an unappealing sport. They ride
through some of the most beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a
one-foot square of pavement.

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the
view?

Let me explain about the aesthetics of the black line. It is a thing of
exquisite minimalist beauty, to be contemplated with full attention,
undistracted by all those green fuzzy things that stand between the
bicyclist and serious athletic activity.

ruth kazez

See an artist can tell you. Besides, the black line agains the lighter
tile has way more contrast than the grey pavement. Also, when you swim
if you look to the side all you see is the side of the pool, not the
Alps. I would be too busy looking at the scenery to be an effective
bike racer--which is just as well, since I'm the sturdy, non-areodynamic
type.

However, I have to say that the tactile nature of swimming is part of
its appeal for me, and there may be some non-visual sensory nature of
bike racing that is not apparent on TV--like oh, the wonderful smell of
the vinyards and the feel of the breeze.
Madelaine

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

rtk said:

Dave Rusin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Madelaine <[email hidden]> wrote:

> I also find bike racing kind of an unappealing sport. They ride
> through some of the most beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a
> one-foot square of pavement.

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the
view?

Let me explain about the aesthetics of the black line. It is a thing of
exquisite minimalist beauty, to be contemplated with full attention,
undistracted by all those green fuzzy things that stand between the
bicyclist and serious athletic activity.

ruth kazez

See an artist can tell you. Besides, the black line agains the lighter
tile has way more contrast than the grey pavement. Also, when you swim
if you look to the side all you see is the side of the pool, not the
Alps. I would be too busy looking at the scenery to be an effective
bike racer--which is just as well, since I'm the sturdy, non-areodynamic
type.

However, I have to say that the tactile nature of swimming is part of
its appeal for me, and there may be some non-visual sensory nature of
bike racing that is not apparent on TV--like oh, the wonderful smell of
the vinyards and the feel of the breeze.
Madelaine

Both sports are satisfying to compete in but deadly boring to watch.

"Dave Rusin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

I also find bike racing
kind of an unappealing sport. They ride through some of the most
beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a one-foot square of pavement.

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the
view?

You underestimate the eternal beauty of that thin blue line.....

"rtk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dave Rusin said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Madelaine said:

I also find bike racing kind of an unappealing sport. They ride through
some of the most beautiful scenery anywhere looking at a one-foot square
of pavement.

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the
view?

Let me explain about the aesthetics of the black line. It is a thing of
exquisite minimalist beauty, to be contemplated with full attention,
undistracted by all those green fuzzy things that stand between the
bicyclist and serious athletic activity.

ruth kazez

Oh, beaten to it...

In article <[email hidden]>,

didgerman said:

Quoted message said:

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the view?

Quoted message said:

You underestimate the eternal beauty of that thin blue line.....

Not at all. I'm a mathematician -- the lines I ponder have no width at all!

dave

(... who counts laps as " ..., 1681^(1/2), 1764^(1/2), 1849^(1/2), ..." )

In article <[email hidden]>,

didgerman said:

Quoted message said:

Let me get this straight -- a SWIMMER is teasing BICYCLISTS about the view?

Quoted message said:

You underestimate the eternal beauty of that thin blue line.....

Not at all. I'm a mathematician -- the lines I ponder have no width at all!

dave

(... who counts laps as " ..., 1681^(1/2), 1764^(1/2), 1849^(1/2), ..." )

The "Thin Blue Line" denotes the final barrier which stands between our
citizens and chaos. Thus begins the final arguments of the Prosecutor
in the famous murder trial in Dallas County, Texas, whose documentary
bears its name.