Road rage sentence

Peter B said:

A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was given a life
sentence. Mind you he had a string of previous convictions.

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Did you read this bit?

"McKinney could be out on parole in just three years."

It seems that a life sentence can mean as little as 3 years - 25 years I'd say should be the minimum
time served for a life sentence.
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>> "Peter" == Peter B <[email hidden]> writes:

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A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was given a
life sentence. Mind you he had a string of previous convictions.

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Given life but in the BBC report it says: "McKinney could be out on parole in just three years."

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A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was given
a life sentence. Mind you he had a string of previous convictions.

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Given life but in the BBC report it says: "McKinney could be out on parole in just three years."

Three years is a long time, do you think 25 years would really do anyone any good?

AIUI life also means that he will only be released on license, which I think means it is easier to
put him back in Jail if he behaves badly.

Does anyone know if he has been banned from driving?

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>>> "Peter" == Peter B <[email hidden]> writes:

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A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was given
a life sentence. Mind you he had a string of previous convictions.

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news.bbc.co.uk3133743.stmOpen ↗

Given life but in the BBC report it says: "McKinney could be out on parole in just three years."

Three years is a long time, do you think 25 years would really do anyone any good?

AIUI life also means that he will only be released on license, which I think means it is easier to
put him back in Jail if he behaves badly.

Does anyone know if he has been banned from driving?

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Given life but in the BBC report it says: "McKinney could be out on parole in just three years."

I read the report several times but it didn't say anything about cutting his goolies off. Something
wrong, there...

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Frank X said:

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>>>> "Peter" == Peter B <[email hidden]> writes:

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A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was
given a life sentence. Mind you he had a string of previous convictions.

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Given life but in the BBC report it says: "McKinney could be out on parole in just three years."

Three years is a long time, do you think 25 years would really do anyone any good?

I didn't express an opinion on way or the other.. I do think "life" is a little misleading when in
fact someone might only serve 3 years.

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AIUI life also means that he will only be released on license, which I think means it is easier to
put him back in Jail if he behaves badly.

Yes, although that'll presumably be of little comfort to victims if he runs someone over again...

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Does anyone know if he has been banned from driving?

Dunno.

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I didn't express an opinion on way or the other.. I do think "life" is a little misleading when in
fact someone might only serve 3 years.

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AIUI life also means that he will only be released on license, which I

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means it is easier to put him back in Jail if he behaves badly.

A life sentence is also never "spent" under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.

But still inadequate.

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Three years is a long time, do you think 25 years would really do anyone

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good?

Well, it would mean an additional 22 years where he can't kill/maim anyone

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a car. That is a benefit IMO.

Keeping people in jail cost a lot of money. We have far too many people in jail, I'm not sure it
does any good.

Might as well kill them as keep them in jail for long periods.

But I think we all agree that it should be a life driving ban.

Frank X said:

Does anyone know if he has been banned from driving?

I'm pretty certain he is banned for 10 years and will have to retake his test. Of course, a ten year
ban means that he'll be tempted to drive without a licence, assuming he's been released.

James

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A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was given a life
sentence. Mind you he had a string of previous convictions.

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Strange. I missed out the bit about cycling.

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James Hodson said:

Frank X said:

Does anyone know if he has been banned from driving?

I'm pretty certain he is banned for 10 years and will have to retake his test.

Personally I would like everyone who is banned from driving to have to retake their test.

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:26:22 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be "Peter B" <[email hidden]>
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A motorist who reversed into a pedestrian after the ped had waved his arms at him was given a life
sentence.

news.bbc.co.uk3133743.stmOpen ↗

I think that his mistake was driving his car into a pedestrian. Even worse a pedestrian walking
a dog IIRC.

Had he driven his car into two cyclists he would have had a much smaller sentence, as we
saw recently.

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"Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It seems that a life sentence can mean as little as 3 years - 25 years I'd say should be the
minimum time served for a life sentence.

Odd how so many people seem to be able to think of a more suitable sentence and prison term after
reading a two hundred word news story than the judge who's had to sit through the entire court case
(not to mention accumulating decades of legal experience) and the parole workers who have to write
and justify detailed reports on each individual case.

Next time you get a puncture at the roadside, forget your prior knowledge and expertise and listen
to that eight year old who's telling you to use a penknife as a tyre lever. You know it makes sense.

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Andy Leighton said:

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I'm pretty certain he is banned for 10 years and will have to retake his test.

Personally I would like everyone who is banned from driving to have to retake their test.

I was banned for one year in 1984 for D&D when I was aged 20. I doubt I would have enjoyed havig
to take my test again - which is the whole point. However, I'm now somewhat older and I'm all
for the idea.

The biggest penalty for me was neither the 12 months ban nor the £100 fine (£75 fine + £25 costs) -
D&D was not taken as seriously in the early '80s as it is now. Rather, it was the many years of
increased insurance premiums.

James

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Robert Bruce said:

"Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It seems that a life sentence can mean as little as 3 years - 25 years I'd say should be the
minimum time served for a life sentence.

Odd how so many people seem to be able to think of a more suitable sentence and prison term after
reading a two hundred word news story than the judge who's had to sit through the entire court case
(not to mention accumulating decades of legal experience) and the parole workers who have to write
and justify detailed reports on each individual case.

Next time you get a puncture at the roadside, forget your prior knowledge and expertise and
listen to that eight year old who's telling you to use a penknife as a tyre lever. You know it
makes sense.

Do you really think that the term *life sentence* is appropriate for *three years gaol*?
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Does anyone know if he has been banned from driving?

Yes, a 10 year ban. See: news.bbc.co.uk3130161.stmOpen ↗

Pete

Gonzalez said:

Robert Bruce said:

"Gonzalez" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It seems that a life sentence can mean as little as 3 years - 25 years I'd say should be the
minimum time served for a life sentence.

Odd how so many people seem to be able to think of a more suitable sentence and prison term after
reading a two hundred word news story than the judge who's had to sit through the entire court
case (not to mention accumulating decades of legal experience) and the parole workers who have to
write and justify detailed reports on each individual case.

Next time you get a puncture at the roadside, forget your prior knowledge and expertise and
listen to that eight year old who's telling you to use a penknife as a tyre lever. You know it
makes sense.

Do you really think that the term *life sentence* is appropriate for *three years gaol*?

You have to understand what the UK term "life sentence" means. Yes, this [censored] can be out in as
little as 3 years but, if he so much as litters and gets pulled by the police they can dump him
back inside.

"Life sentence" means you are put on a life licence. You are technically never free - just at large.
AFAIK a judge cannot rescind one either - it can only be done by the secretary of state.

Of course, someone of that mentality may not be able to control his activities, so he may end up
inside sooner than he'd like - but at least the law gives him the chance. I'd prefer to have him
become a productive member of the crash test dummy brigade.

Gary

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"Sky Fly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Strange. I missed out the bit about cycling.

Not so strange, cyclists weren't mentioned. So why post it you might say? Because as a recreational
cyclist I, and many others, use public roads and topics like this do have a relevence. Note the
interest generated.

I also note that you still found the time to reply even though you presumably found the OP
off-topic.

Now, when I've had my breakfast I'm going for a bike ride safe in the knowledge that at least there
is one moron less on the road for at least the next three years.

Pete

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Odd how so many people seem to be able to think of a more suitable

sentence

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and prison term after reading a two hundred word news story than the judge who's had to sit
through the entire court case (not to mention

accumulating

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decades of legal experience) and the parole workers who have to write and justify detailed reports
on each individual case.

The judge is not using his experience to decide on a suitable sentence, he or she is using the
guidlines provided by the Lord Chancellor's Dept and/or politicians. I've no doubt that in many
cases, not necessarily this particular one, judges fundamentally disagree with the sentences that
they impose. Like the rest of us, judges are expected to follow the rules that are imposed by
others. In many instances these rules, and guidelines etc, are decided my ploticicians or officials
who do not necessarily have years of experience, and most certainly have not heard the specifics of
a particular case.

Of course there may be mitigating circumstances that haven't been reported, and it's proper that the
judge takes this into account. Nonetheless, I don't think this should prevent the public from
expressing the opinion that the sentence for this type of offence should be greater. If we don't
express such opinions then politicians and officials will assume we agree with what they are doing
and will apply such lenient sentences where there are no mitigating circumstances.

Trevor.