Bike hire

"Jonathan Stafford" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:EVAYa.2838
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Hey group Is there a bike hire shop in Caernarfon? Details would be appreciated. Jonathan

yell.com gives 2. I have no idea if they are any real or not.

Beics Beddgelert Hafod Ruffydd Uchaf Beddgelert Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 4UU

Tel: 01766 890434

Beics Menai 1, Slate Quay Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 2PB

Tel: 01286 676804

Fragg

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"Jonathan Stafford" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:EVAYa.2838
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Hey group Is there a bike hire shop in Caernarfon? Details would be appreciated. Jonathan

yell.com gives 2. I have no idea if they are any real or not.

Beics Beddgelert Hafod Ruffydd Uchaf Beddgelert Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 4UU

Tel: 01766 890434

Beics Menai 1, Slate Quay Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 2PB

Tel: 01286 676804

Fragg

It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original! I've always wondered to what extent Welsh
suffers from creeping anglicisation. I'm sure that I've heard phrases like "Barry John yn scorio
try" or "(many Welsh words) hydroelectric power station (many more Welsh words)". And, of course,
there are words like 'sospan' and 'tebot'. Perhaps one of our Welsh speakers could enlighten me.
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(Born and raised in Cardiff but knowledge of our national language unfortunately limited to two
years of school lessons.)

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Thanking Michael and the Fragg for their help. Watch out Wales we are on our way, well for a quiet
week camping and cycling anyway!

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Hey group Is there a bike hire shop in Caernarfon? Details would be appreciated. Jonathan

yell.com gives 2. I have no idea if they are any real or not.

Beics Beddgelert Hafod Ruffydd Uchaf Beddgelert Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 4UU

Tel: 01766 890434

Beics Menai 1, Slate Quay Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 2PB

Tel: 01286 676804

Fragg

It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original! I've always wondered to what extent
Welsh suffers from creeping anglicisation. I'm sure that I've heard phrases like "Barry John yn
scorio try" or "(many Welsh words) hydroelectric power station (many more Welsh words)". And, of
course, there are words like 'sospan' and 'tebot'. Perhaps one of our Welsh speakers could
enlighten me.
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It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original! I've always wondered to what extent
Welsh suffers from creeping anglicisation. I'm sure that I've heard phrases like "Barry John yn
scorio try" or "(many Welsh words) hydroelectric power station (many more Welsh words)". And, of
course, there are words like 'sospan' and 'tebot'. Perhaps one of our Welsh speakers could
enlighten me.

While there is, of course, no reason for Wales other than somewhere to keep all the sheep shaggers
and a very good place to cycle (that should get the flame throwers out in force), there is a massive
amount of commonality and borrowing between all the Indo European languages. A basic word such as
Father can be traced in various recognisable forms form western Europe through to the Indian sub
continent. (Vater, Pater etc. and, via corruptions to Pere etc.)

So the tendency for the Welsh to 'borrow' words from their more powerful neighbour is
understandable.

T

PS -- it is revealing that you go back to the 70's for Barry John scorio try -- since no sheep
shagger has scorioed any significant tryo sinceo boyo!!

: )

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PS -- it is revealing that you go back to the 70's for Barry John scorio try -- since no sheep
shagger has scorioed any significant tryo sinceo boyo!!

I think this says more about my age than about the success of Welsh rugby.

I fondly remember the 8th June 1987, the Quarter Final of the first World Cup. Wales 16, England 3.
I had great fun on that day. I have never seen so many Englishmen so totally gutted.

Wales then lost to NZ in the Semi Final but went on to beat Australia (the original favourites to
win the competition) 22-21.

I know things aren't going well for Wales at the moment. But the wheel will turn.

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It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original!

As original as our use of the word shop (English for "siop"😉.

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I've always wondered to what extent Welsh suffers from creeping anglicisation.

Ditto, and vice versa. I'm not keeping score, as I'd rather just be able to communicate with as many
people as possible. When we come up with something which needs a new word, using one which is easily
understood by the maximum number of people in the maximum number of languages is a good idea if you
ask me. Unless its for corporate marketing, or it enrages the French.

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While there is, of course, no reason for Wales other than somewhere to keep all the sheep shaggers
and a very good place to cycle (that should get the flame throwers out in force), there is a
massive amount of commonality and borrowing between all the Indo European languages. A basic word
such as Father can be traced in various recognisable forms form western Europe through to the
Indian sub continent. (Vater, Pater etc. and, via corruptions to Pere etc.)

Bad choice of example, as you seem to think the Welsh have none. In fact every Welsh person has
several, as per the song "Land of my fathers". And Anne Robinson is your mother (well, you wanted a
flame). 🙂

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So the tendency for the Welsh to 'borrow' words from their more powerful neighbour is
understandable.

So if I referred to a LBS, would I be using an English or Welsh abreviation? (local is lleol)

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PS -- it is revealing that you go back to the 70's for Barry John scorio try -- since no sheep
shagger has scorioed any significant tryo sinceo boyo!!

Well, there was Neil Kinnock on a beach...

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In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Price <[email hidden]> writes

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I've always wondered to what extent Welsh suffers from creeping anglicisation.

Ditto, and vice versa.

How many instances are there of Welsh words being commonly used in English?
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"Michael MacClancy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original!

Unlike bicycle, a good English word that, no borrowings from Greek or Lastin there, no sir!

I'm sure I remember 'deurod' being used for bicycle in some Welsh textboo= ks about 30 years
ago, though.

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So if I referred to a LBS, would I be using an English or Welsh abreviation? (local is lleol)

Wouldn't it be SBLl in Welsh (Si=F4p Beic Lleol)?

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boyo!!

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Well, there was Neil Kinnock on a beach...

I reckon Nicole Cooke should be the new Welsh sporting idol, myself!

Note to the original poster, the shop below appears to be just outside Beddgelert, about 10 miles
from Caernarfon.

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Beics Beddgelert Hafod Ruffydd Uchaf Beddgelert Caernarfon Gwynedd LL55 4UU

Tel: 01766 890434

Mike (or should that be Meic?)

Disgruntled Goat said:

Jim Price said:

Bad choice of example, as you seem to think the Welsh have none. In fact every Welsh person has
several, as per the song "Land of my fathers".

Is that the one that goes...

My hen laid a haddock, one hand oiled a flea, Glad farts and centurions threw dogs in the sea I
could stew a hare here and brandish Dan's flan, Don's ruddy bog's blocked up with sand.

Chorus: Dad! Dad! Why don't you

^^^^^^^^^ Yep, all the evidence you need. Also proves "Barry" John "Two Dads" Prescott is
Welsh.

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oil Auntie Gad? Can't [censored] appear in beer bottle pies? O butter the hens as they fly!

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>It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original!

Unlike bicycle, a good English word that, no borrowings from Greek or Lastin there, no sir!

Quite, but I would have thought that Welsh would try to avoid anglicisation in the same way as
French does. The theory being that maintaining a unique identity does a lot to ensure continued use.
If Welsh gradually became a sort of English dialect fewer people would probably bother speaking it
than do at the moment. I'm sure that it's possible to use a more Welsh word than 'beic'. There are a
lot of borrowed words in German but the Germans still have the word 'Fahrrad' for everyday use.
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www.macclancy.demon.co.uk

In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Price <[email hidden]> writes

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I gave one example, and also said I wasn't keeping score. Your nan can give you another (nain).

Shop doesn't count. It's origins are in German and French. I bet it was used in English before
entering Welsh. Apparently the origin of 'nan' lies in the Greek 'nanna'. As above regarding which
language used it first.

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I did hear one person theorise that there were no Welsh swear words. This may be because the
English have them on loan.

Ffwl = Fool [censored] = [censored] (obviously means "someone not of welsh descendency"😉 Cont = a rather
more rude word Hwran = [censored] Cach = $#!+ - I wonder if English people are aware of the connotations
of phrases like "clearing the cack from my throat"😉

Thanks for your assistance in helping us swear in Welsh. We can obviously do so by just speaking
English. None of these words above have Welsh origins, I believe.

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Michael MacClancy said:

Shop doesn't count.

I'd better give them the right money then.

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It's origins are in German and French. I bet it was used in English before entering Welsh.

I bet the language it was first used in would be an antecedent of any of those languages. I have to
admit to choosing words which have most likely been around a long time, given their meaning.

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Thanks for your assistance in helping us swear in Welsh. We can obviously do so by just speaking
English.

Or gargling a bucket of phlegm. I just thought I'd pick some words which no-one would want to claim
as their own.

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None of these words above have Welsh origins, I believe.

Ah, the purity of the Welsh🙂

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Michael MacClancy said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Mike K Smith <[email hidden]> writes

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> "Michael MacClancy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >It looks like the Welsh for bike is 'beic'. Very original!

Unlike bicycle, a good English word that, no borrowings from Greek or Lastin there, no sir!

Quite, but I would have thought that Welsh would try to avoid anglicisation in the same way as
French does. The theory being that maintaining a unique identity does a lot to ensure
continued use.

I'm sure there is a committee of learned people sitting in a book-filled room in Cardiff or
Aberystwyth creating 'real' Welsh words for things. On the other hand, ordinary people who are
bilingual might find it easier to just borrow an English word.

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If Welsh gradually became a sort of English dialect fewer people would probably bother speaking it
than do at the moment.

If that were the case you may be right, but even when people borrow English nouns, or verbs, they
still keep to Welsh grammar. 'Dim Parcio' for 'No Parking' is an example.

If it is creeping anglicisation, it has been creeping for a while. I can certainly remember people
using English words in Welsh when I was a child in the 60s. I don't live in Wales any more, so I
don't hear Welsh spoken very often.

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I'm sure that it's possible to use a more Welsh word than 'beic'. There are a lot of borrowed
words in German but the Germans still have the word 'Fahrrad' for everyday use.

I mentioned 'deurod' earlier, and 'ceffyl haearn' (iron horse) also appears in the dictionary[1].

Elsewhere in the thread you asked

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How many instances are there of Welsh words being commonly used in English?

'Cwm' has made into Merriam-Webster, the OED and the map of the Himalayas (Western Cwm).

[1]cs.cf.ac.ukLexiconForms.htmlOpen ↗

In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Price <[email hidden]> writes

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Thanks for your assistance in helping us swear in Welsh. We can obviously do so by just speaking
English.

Or gargling a bucket of phlegm.

No need to bring Flemish into this conversation. ;-)
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Michael MacClancy

www.macclancy.demon.co.uk

Tony W said:

PS -- it is revealing that you go back to the 70's for Barry John scorio try -- since no sheep
shagger has scorioed any significant tryo sinceo boyo!!

You are obviously forgetting the disaster at Twickenham (or was it Wembley - might have been when
they were building the Millennium Stadium?) three years or so ago - on our way to the Grand Slam and
the they score a try in the last few seconds...

David (who has tickets for the friendly on the23rd...)

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Tony W said:

PS -- it is revealing that you go back to the 70's for Barry John scorio try -- since no sheep
shagger has scorioed any significant tryo sinceo boyo!!

You are obviously forgetting the disaster at Twickenham (or was it Wembley - might have been when
they were building the Millennium Stadium?) three years or so ago - on our way to the Grand Slam
and the they score a try in the last few seconds...

David (who has tickets for the friendly on the23rd...)

'Friendly'? That'll be a first!

;-)
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www.macclancy.demon.co.uk

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You are obviously forgetting the disaster at Twickenham (or was it Wembley - might have been when
they were building the Millennium Stadium?) three years or so ago - on our way to the Grand Slam
and the they score a try in the last few seconds...

Yes, but you just have to mouth the word "Italy" and that shuts them up.

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You are obviously forgetting the disaster at Twickenham (or was it Wembley - might have been when
they were building the Millennium Stadium?) three years or so ago - on our way to the Grand Slam
and the they score a try in the last few seconds...

Totally blanked from the memory -- clearly never happened ; )

Anyway, England were similarly stuffed by the Scots -- which was much more fun!!

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David (who has tickets for the friendly on the23rd...)

Lucky [censored].

T

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You are obviously forgetting the disaster at Twickenham (or was it Wembley - might have been when
they were building the Millennium Stadium?) three years or so ago - on our way to the Grand Slam
and the they score a try in the last few seconds...

Totally blanked from the memory -- clearly never happened ; )

Happens all too often... I've been following England since Bob Hiller was the kicker and they've
ALWAYS managed to stuff up at the last minute until the last year - it's very disconcerting this new
habit of winning crucial games. I keep waiting for us to go back to normal - I suspect it will be in
a crucial pool match against Georgia or something...

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Anyway, England were similarly stuffed by the Scots -- which was much more fun!!

Another disaster - happened in 1990 and 2000 - at least there's another 7 years to go on that
trend. ;-)

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David (who has tickets for the friendly on the23rd...)

Lucky [censored].

Got them on Ticketmaster - the papers are saying that they're not all sold out so give it a go....
I've only seen England once - at Twickenham, against Italy (80odd points to 8ish).

Mind you, I'm still half expecting the match on the 23rd to be the start of the great Welsh revival,
just because I'll be there!

David