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  1. I picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,
    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=1126808676/
    sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8697222-1580023?v=glance&s=books>

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.

    First, what could the acid be? What would interact with the baking soda?
    If nothing, why add baking soda? Second, it DOES have baking powder,
    too, so what's she talking about about choosing to use baking soda? I
    know that some recipes use both, but (a), baking soda is often used to
    also neutralize an acid, and (b) she seems to imply she was substituting
    one for the other. OK, maybe that's a nitpick. Third, by saying that
    baking soda makes the cookies spread rather than puff, doesn't that mean
    it ISN'T a leavening agent here? And finally, how on earth would baking
    soda add "a wonderful buttery flavor"???

    --
    to respond (OT only), change "spamless.invalid" to "optonline.net"

    <http://www.thecoffeefaq.com/>

  2. "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,
    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=1126808676/
    sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8697222-1580023?v=glance&s=books>

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.

    First, what could the acid be?

    In the baking powder.

    baking powder
    A LEAVENER containing a combination of baking soda, an acid (such as CREAM OF
    TARTAR) and a moisture-absorber (such as cornstarch). When mixed with liquid,
    baking powder releases carbon dioxide gas bubbles that cause a bread or cake to
    rise. There are three basic kinds of baking powder. The most common is
    double-acting, which releases some gas when it becomes wet and the rest when
    exposed to oven heat. Single-acting tartrate and phosphate baking powders (hard
    to find in most American markets because of the popularity of double-acting
    baking powder) release their gases as soon as they're moistened. Because it's
    perishable, baking powder should be kept in a cool, dry place. Always check the
    date on the bottom of a baking-powder can before purchasing it. To test if a
    baking powder still packs a punch, combine 1 teaspoon of it with 1/3 cup hot
    water. If it bubbles enthusiastically, it's fine.

    What would interact with the baking soda?

    see above

    Quoted message said:

    If nothing, why add baking soda? Second, it DOES have baking powder,
    too, so what's she talking about about choosing to use baking soda? I
    know that some recipes use both, but (a), baking soda is often used to
    also neutralize an acid,

    And cause Fizz.....

    baking soda
    Also known as bicarbonate of soda , baking soda is used as a LEAVENER in baked
    goods. When combined with an acid ingredient such as buttermilk, yogurt or
    molasses, baking soda produces carbon dioxide gas bubbles, thereby causing a
    dough or batter to rise. Because it reacts immediately when moistened, it should
    always be mixed with the other dry ingredients before adding any liquid; the
    resulting batter should be placed in the oven immediately. At one time, baking
    soda was used in the cooking water of green vegetables to preserve their color.
    That practice was discontinued, however, when it was discovered that baking soda
    destroys the vitamin C content of vegetables.
    © Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on THE FOOD LOVER'S
    COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler

    and (b) she seems to imply she was substituting

    Quoted message said:

    one for the other. OK, maybe that's a nitpick. Third, by saying that
    baking soda makes the cookies spread rather than puff, doesn't that mean
    it ISN'T a leavening agent here? And finally, how on earth would baking
    soda add "a wonderful buttery flavor"???

    Don't know.other than the possibel added sodium.

    Dimitri

  3. "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,
    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=1126808676/
    sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8697222-1580023?v=glance&s=books>

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    The baking soda will reduce the pH, and may marginally strengthen the gluten
    and increase browning. I can't see how it CAUSES spreading. I see
    spreading being a function of the melting profile of the fat and the oven
    temperature. It may allow spreading because without an acid, it does
    nothing. In other words, it is passive and the spreading has been
    erroneously attributed to it. It' like saying that drinking alcohol at a
    bar makes people appear sexy and attractive, while drinking water makes them
    appear ordinary and dull.

  4. Scott wrote:
    picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,
    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=11268086...>

    Quoted message said:

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    Baking soda in the absence of any acid salt will make the cookie dough
    slightly alkaline. Now alkaline conditions will alsoto promote
    Maillard's reaction promoting the formation of flavors.

    Quoted message said:

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.
    First, what could the acid be? What would interact with the baking soda?

    If baking soda is heated:
    2NaHCO3 ( heat) = Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2, it does not need any acid to
    release the gas which can contribute some leavening action.

    Quoted message said:

    If nothing, why add baking soda?

    It is added primarily to generate CO2 but it has other effect on the
    cookie dough also.
    Baking soda is used alone in some cookie formulation but in my
    experience is not the best leavening salt; I prefer ammonium
    bicarbonate instead as it can produce more gases per molecule of the
    salt
    NH4HCO3 ( heat) = NH3 +CO2 + H2O
    Therefore for every molecule of ammonium bicarbonate it releases three
    molecule of leavening gases; ammonia, carbon dioxide, and steam .
    Where as two molecules of baking soda as shown above will only release
    a molecule each of carbon dioxide and steam.. Therefore in per molecule
    basis ( NaHCO3)its not efficient. Besides the sodium ion has a
    tightening effect on the protein due ionic bonding with the amino acids
    in the protein molecule which can confer some stabilizing effect .
    Now if the thesis is cookie spread, the reason for that is the cookie
    dough alkalinity which will tend to loosen the gluten structure but not
    much exhibited by baking soda actually.
    The pH of the ammonium bicarbonate leavened cookie is slightly higher
    and so promote more dough relaxation allowing it to spread better
    resulting in flatter cookie with wider diameter than the ones leavened
    with baking soda.
    As the ammonia does not form a tigher ionic bond than the sodium oon
    the cookie texture is more loose and so tends to spreads more.
    The only advantage of baking soda against bicarbonate of ammonia (
    baking ammonia) is that it does not leave any ammoniacal smell to the
    cookie.
    But I don't see that the spread factor( the ratio of the cookie
    diameter to its height is significant with baking soda and that can be
    influenced also by the amount of fat present in the recipe as well as
    the nature of the flour used.

    Quoted message said:

    Second, it DOES have baking powder,

    That is self explanatory, baking soda alone does not leaven the cookie
    dough efficiently but needs a boost from the baking powder. Besides it
    needs a higher temperature for the baking soda to evolve the needed
    carbon dioxide so if used alone and baked at moderate baking
    temperature you will not get what you expect in terms of leavening
    performance.. In addition the reaction of baking powder once its
    hydrated allow for the formation of some gas cells which are expanded
    by the released steam and CO2 from the oven heat release of baking soda
    and from residual amount of baking soda in the baking powder

    Quoted message said:

    too, so what's she talking about about choosing to use baking soda?

    I would say that her selection is opinionated based upon her limited
    experience in chemical leavening application .. If she happened to be
    well experienced and more knowledgeable with the chemistry of
    leavening agents she should not say that! I

    Quoted message said:

    know that some recipes use both, but (a), baking soda is often used to
    also neutralize an acid,

    You are right, baking soda is used in baking with acidulant for the
    efficient release of the carbon dioxide

    Quoted message said:

    and (b) she seems to imply she was substituting
    one for the other. OK, maybe that's a nitpick

    Her employment of two CO2 generating agents is due to the fact that
    with a slightly alkaline dough due to the formation of sodium carbonate
    will promote the cookie to brown faster resulting in a nice cookie
    color if baked at just moderate temperatures. If she is only employing
    baking powder it will appear to be pale colored as the slightly acidic
    dough does not promote the cookie crust to brown .
    Besides the crumb color will be not pale colored as well for the same
    reason.

    Quoted message said:

    Third, by saying that
    baking soda makes the cookies spread rather than puff, doesn't that mean
    it ISN'T a leavening agent here?

    I have already stated above the reasons for spreading . but its
    presence will add a bit more of CO2 to added baking powder.

    Quoted message said:

    And finally, how on earth would baking
    soda add "a wonderful buttery flavor"???

    It is self explanatory,s the uses butter here which when it heated
    volatilizes the aroma components , and is the main source of butter
    flavor.
    But it does not hold if you use a bland tasting fat in the dough and I
    had confirmed thate extensively in the past.
    Butter flavor can arise if you use substances that contains it such as
    added butter flavor, the use of some margarines and surely of pure
    butter and anhydrous milk fat.
    Even the use of full cream milk and buttermilk seems to generate the
    buttery aroma also in cookies.
    I have used baking soda /baking powder tandem in the past to leaven
    some cookies containing vegetable shortening and I get a different
    smell , artificial and unappetizing more soapy in character. These is
    due to minimal fat breakdown resulting in the release of fatty acids
    which will combine with the sodium ion to forms soapy tasting cookie

  5. Vox Humana said:

    . It' like saying that drinking alcohol at a
    bar makes people appear sexy and attractive, while drinking water makes them
    appear ordinary and dull.

    I don't know about you, but I found that to be true. YMMV hic

    Pan Ohco

  6. Vox Humana said:

    erroneously attributed to it. It' like saying that drinking alcohol at a
    bar makes people appear sexy and attractive, while drinking water makes
    them appear ordinary and dull.

    Drinking alcohol makes *me* more sexy and attractive. It also makes me ten
    feet tall and bulletproof.

    Bob

  7. "chembake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Scott wrote:
    picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,
    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=11268086...>

    Quoted message said:

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    Baking soda in the absence of any acid salt will make the cookie dough
    slightly alkaline. Now alkaline conditions will alsoto promote
    Maillard's reaction promoting the formation of flavors.

    Quoted message said:

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.
    First, what could the acid be? What would interact with the baking soda?

    If baking soda is heated:
    2NaHCO3 ( heat) = Na2CO3 + H2O + CO2, it does not need any acid to
    release the gas which can contribute some leavening action.

    Quoted message said:

    If nothing, why add baking soda?

    It is added primarily to generate CO2 but it has other effect on the
    cookie dough also.
    Baking soda is used alone in some cookie formulation but in my
    experience is not the best leavening salt; I prefer ammonium
    bicarbonate instead as it can produce more gases per molecule of the
    salt
    NH4HCO3 ( heat) = NH3 +CO2 + H2O
    Therefore for every molecule of ammonium bicarbonate it releases three
    molecule of leavening gases; ammonia, carbon dioxide, and steam .
    Where as two molecules of baking soda as shown above will only release
    a molecule each of carbon dioxide and steam.. Therefore in per molecule
    basis ( NaHCO3)its not efficient. Besides the sodium ion has a
    tightening effect on the protein due ionic bonding with the amino acids
    in the protein molecule which can confer some stabilizing effect .
    Now if the thesis is cookie spread, the reason for that is the cookie
    dough alkalinity which will tend to loosen the gluten structure but not
    much exhibited by baking soda actually.
    The pH of the ammonium bicarbonate leavened cookie is slightly higher
    and so promote more dough relaxation allowing it to spread better
    resulting in flatter cookie with wider diameter than the ones leavened
    with baking soda.
    As the ammonia does not form a tigher ionic bond than the sodium oon
    the cookie texture is more loose and so tends to spreads more.
    The only advantage of baking soda against bicarbonate of ammonia (
    baking ammonia) is that it does not leave any ammoniacal smell to the
    cookie.
    But I don't see that the spread factor( the ratio of the cookie
    diameter to its height is significant with baking soda and that can be
    influenced also by the amount of fat present in the recipe as well as
    the nature of the flour used.

    Quoted message said:

    Second, it DOES have baking powder,

    That is self explanatory, baking soda alone does not leaven the cookie
    dough efficiently but needs a boost from the baking powder. Besides it
    needs a higher temperature for the baking soda to evolve the needed
    carbon dioxide so if used alone and baked at moderate baking
    temperature you will not get what you expect in terms of leavening
    performance.. In addition the reaction of baking powder once its
    hydrated allow for the formation of some gas cells which are expanded
    by the released steam and CO2 from the oven heat release of baking soda
    and from residual amount of baking soda in the baking powder

    Quoted message said:

    too, so what's she talking about about choosing to use baking soda?

    I would say that her selection is opinionated based upon her limited
    experience in chemical leavening application .. If she happened to be
    well experienced and more knowledgeable with the chemistry of
    leavening agents she should not say that! I

    Quoted message said:

    know that some recipes use both, but (a), baking soda is often used to
    also neutralize an acid,

    You are right, baking soda is used in baking with acidulant for the
    efficient release of the carbon dioxide

    Quoted message said:

    and (b) she seems to imply she was substituting
    one for the other. OK, maybe that's a nitpick

    Her employment of two CO2 generating agents is due to the fact that
    with a slightly alkaline dough due to the formation of sodium carbonate
    will promote the cookie to brown faster resulting in a nice cookie
    color if baked at just moderate temperatures. If she is only employing
    baking powder it will appear to be pale colored as the slightly acidic
    dough does not promote the cookie crust to brown .
    Besides the crumb color will be not pale colored as well for the same
    reason.

    Quoted message said:

    Third, by saying that
    baking soda makes the cookies spread rather than puff, doesn't that mean
    it ISN'T a leavening agent here?

    I have already stated above the reasons for spreading . but its
    presence will add a bit more of CO2 to added baking powder.

    Quoted message said:

    And finally, how on earth would baking
    soda add "a wonderful buttery flavor"???

    It is self explanatory,s the uses butter here which when it heated
    volatilizes the aroma components , and is the main source of butter
    flavor.
    But it does not hold if you use a bland tasting fat in the dough and I
    had confirmed thate extensively in the past.
    Butter flavor can arise if you use substances that contains it such as
    added butter flavor, the use of some margarines and surely of pure
    butter and anhydrous milk fat.
    Even the use of full cream milk and buttermilk seems to generate the
    buttery aroma also in cookies.
    I have used baking soda /baking powder tandem in the past to leaven
    some cookies containing vegetable shortening and I get a different
    smell , artificial and unappetizing more soapy in character. These is
    due to minimal fat breakdown resulting in the release of fatty acids
    which will combine with the sodium ion to forms soapy tasting cookie

    Yeah! OK! Yep! Mmmm! Yeah! Umm! Ah ha!!

  8. Hi Jen,

    I am pleased to know that the 'baking powder chemistry'was your
    'intellectual frreplay' that led you to a state of orgasm< grin>.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah! OK! Yep! Mmmm! Yeah! Umm! Ah ha!!

  9. "chembake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Jen,

    I am pleased to know that the 'baking powder chemistry'was your
    'intellectual frreplay' that led you to a state of orgasm< grin>.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah! OK! Yep! Mmmm! Yeah! Umm! Ah ha!!


    Oh yeah! It was good!!

    Jen

  10. My pleasure....if I had contributed somehow in stimulating you
    intellectually....!
    More is to come..in due time..if some interesting queries comes up....I
    will keep on 'fondling ' you ' lovingly 'so as to keep you in a
    multiple orgasmic delirium....<grin>.

    Jen said:

    "chembake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Jen,

    I am pleased to know that the 'baking powder chemistry'was your
    'intellectual frreplay' that led you to a state of orgasm< grin>.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah! OK! Yep! Mmmm! Yeah! Umm! Ah ha!!


    Oh yeah! It was good!!

    Jen

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dimitri said:
    Quoted message said:

    First, what could the acid be?

    In the baking powder.

    But the acid in the baking powder SHOULD be just enough to react to the
    baking soda contained in the BAKING POWDER. There shouldn't be enough
    left over to react with the additional baking soda. Baking powder should
    net neutral, the two components canceling each other out.

    Just defining the basics of baking soda and baking powder doesn't add
    any new information to the question--the definitions were implied
    already.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If nothing, why add baking soda? Second, it DOES have baking powder,
    too, so what's she talking about about choosing to use baking soda? I
    know that some recipes use both, but (a), baking soda is often used to
    also neutralize an acid,

    And cause Fizz.....

    That's why I said "ALSO neutralize..." (emphasis added). If baking
    powder is being added for leavening purposes, baking soda is sometimes
    added to smooth the taste of the recipe by neutralizing excess acid.

    --
    to respond (OT only), change "spamless.invalid" to "optonline.net"

    <http://www.thecoffeefaq.com/>

  12. "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dimitri said:
    Quoted message said:

    First, what could the acid be?

    In the baking powder.

    But the acid in the baking powder SHOULD be just enough to react to the
    baking soda contained in the BAKING POWDER. There shouldn't be enough
    left over to react with the additional baking soda. Baking powder should
    net neutral, the two components canceling each other out.

    If you look at the original toll house recipe there is no powder at all, all
    you need is soda.

    Dimitri

    2 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
    1 teaspoon baking soda
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 cup (2 sticks) butter or margarine, softened
    3/4 cup granulated sugar
    3/4 cup packed brown sugar
    1 teaspoon vanilla extract
    2 large eggs
    2 cups (12-ounce package) NESTLÉ TOLL HOUSE Semi-Sweet Chocolate Morsels
    1 cup chopped nuts

  13. "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,
    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=1126808676/
    sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8697222-1580023?v=glance&s=books>

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.

    Butter is acidic.

    Buttermaking involves converting cream, an emulsion of butterfat-in-serum, into
    butter, an emulsion of serum in butterfat. The cream has about 40% butterfat and
    finished butter has about 80%. Ingredients include water, curd and salt. Raw
    milk pH levels are between 6.5 and 6.8. Measuring the pH detects the presence of
    lactic acid that can lower the pH and affect the flavor. Sometimes depressed pH
    in milk or cream can be corrected by neutralizing with sodium carbonate and
    sodium hydroxide. The raw milk is then separated into cream and skim milk and
    the cream is pasteurized. The cream must cool before churning. A byproduct of
    churning is buttermilk, which is drained before the water and salt are mixed in.
    The butter is then packaged. The final pH value should be near 5 for maximum
    flavor.

    Dimitri

  14. "chembake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    My pleasure....if I had contributed somehow in stimulating you
    intellectually....!
    More is to come..in due time..if some interesting queries comes up....I
    will keep on 'fondling ' you ' lovingly 'so as to keep you in a
    multiple orgasmic delirium....<grin>.

    OOOOHHHHHHHHH! Can't wait.

    Jen

  15. "Dimitri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,


    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=1126808676/

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8697222-1580023?v=glance&s=books>

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.

    Butter is acidic.

    As is the brown sugar.

  16. Butter is acidic.
    Buttermaking involves converting cream, an emulsion of
    butterfat-in-serum, into
    butter, an emulsion of serum in butterfat. The cream has about 40%
    butterfat and
    finished butter has about 80%. Ingredients include water, curd and
    salt. Raw
    milk pH levels are between 6.5 and 6.8. Measuring the pH detects the
    presence of
    lactic acid that can lower the pH and affect the flavor. Sometimes
    depressed pH
    in milk or cream can be corrected by neutralizing with sodium carbonate
    and
    sodium hydroxide. The raw milk is then separated into cream and skim
    milk and
    the cream is pasteurized. The cream must cool before churning. A
    byproduct of
    churning is buttermilk, which is drained before the water and salt are
    mixed in.
    The butter is then packaged. The final pH value should be near 5 for
    maximum
    flavor.
    Dimitri
    As is the brown sugar.

    .....IMO the very slight acidity of butter and brown sugar has nothing
    to do with the addition of baking soda aside from the baking powder

    Besides flour solids had a buffering effect on the batter if the
    resulting batter acidity is 'somewhat made negligible" it does not
    affect much the acid -base balance of the cookie dough.
    However distinctly acidic substance such buttermilk and molasses can
    decrease the pH which needs to be neutralized by small amount of baking
    soda.hence resulting in a more neutral pH at equilibrium. In the baked
    cookie crumb.
    Besides such materials can liberate CO2 even during the batter stage
    contributing more to the number of gas bubbles in the batter.
    Now if you add two leavening agents say baking soda and baking powder
    with not a hint of acidulant in the cookie dough, the resulting cookie
    will have a slight alkaline crumb pH and as I mentioned previously will
    promote a slightly more open grain as well as better crust coloration.
    IF the amount of soda added is higher then the pH balance will tip more
    to the alkaline side and will promote the formation of soapy aftertaste
    and the flavor volatiles that emanate during baking will not as good as
    if the soda addition is very minimal.
    Therefore as what I related in the earlier post it will not improve
    the cookie flavor nor contribute a so called butter flavor to the
    product as claimed by the author.
    Roy

    Vox Humana said:

    "Dimitri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I picked up a copy of Baking 9-1-1 by Sarah Phillips,


    <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743246829/qid=1126808676/

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    sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-8697222-1580023?v=glance&s=books>

    and came across a statement that piqued my interest. In her recipe for
    sugar cookies, she writes "most cookies use baking powder for leavening;
    I chose to use baking soda. It causes the cookies to spread rather than
    puff, perfect for a crispy cookie, and have a wonderful buttery flavor
    you can't get with baking powder."

    The ingredients are: unbleached AP flour, baking soda (1/2 tsp), baking
    powder (1/4 tsp), salt, unsalted butter, sugar, an egg, vanilla extract,
    and an optional 1/2 tsp lemon extract.

    Butter is acidic.

    As is the brown sugar.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dimitri said:

    If you look at the original toll house recipe there is no powder at all, all
    you need is soda.

    Dimitri

    2 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
    1 teaspoon baking soda
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 cup (2 sticks) butter or margarine, softened
    3/4 cup granulated sugar
    3/4 cup packed brown sugar
    1 teaspoon vanilla extract
    2 large eggs
    2 cups (12-ounce package) NESTLÉ TOLL HOUSE Semi-Sweet Chocolate Morsels
    1 cup chopped nuts

    But the Tollhouse recipe has brown sugar, which is acidic. The recipe I
    posted used regular sugar.

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