New gym;

R P said:

I received a post card invitation to visit a new gym just opened near
me.
It features a "circuit-type" training principal,...as far as the
equipment,..you work against air-filled cylinders at each station,
{adjustable 0-almost solid} the method is to push-pull,10-12 reps, very
quickly,"explosive movements" is the term they use.
They go on to say one full-body circuit is recommended,working up to
three full body circuits,max!
Any one here,tried it?........know anything about it?..........opinions

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Sounds like the Cybex machines that the local YMCA replaced their
Nautilus machines with a few years ago. The tricep push down was the
only one that didn't feel strange to me, so it was the only one that I
ever used when I need a week or so's break from the free weight room.

Ryan

I think they were named Cybex,.........you push a button on the handles
to raise or lower the resistance,which applies more,or less air
pressure.

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R P said:

I think they were named Cybex,.........you push a button on the handles
to raise or lower the resistance,which applies more,or less air
pressure.

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Yeah, left handle raises the pressure, right handle lowers it. I didn't
care for the angles in the geometery of them. I have been on better
designed machines. The infinitely adjustable weight idea was cool. Most
machines you have to be happy with the size of the plates they come with
and maybe a removable 5lber. But the machines just didn't follow good
movements for me. YMMV of course. See if they will give you a week free
trial membership.

Ryan

(R P) said:

I received a post card invitation to visit a new gym just opened near
me.
It features a "circuit-type" training principal,...as far as the
equipment,..you work against air-filled cylinders at each station,
{adjustable 0-almost solid} the method is to push-pull,10-12 reps, very
quickly,"explosive movements" is the term they use.
They go on to say one full-body circuit is recommended,working up to
three full body circuits,max!

isn't this curves? i can understand that some gym owners don't
want the hassle of free weights. if only people could put away
what they take out. my gym is leaning towards more selectorized
equipment in the future just for that reason.
....thehick

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Quoted message said:

(R P) said:

I received a post card invitation to visit a new gym just opened near
me.
It features a "circuit-type" training principal,...as far as the
equipment,..you work against air-filled cylinders at each station,
{adjustable 0-almost solid} the method is to push-pull,10-12 reps, very
quickly,"explosive movements" is the term they use.
They go on to say one full-body circuit is recommended,working up to
three full body circuits,max!

isn't this curves? i can understand that some gym owners don't
want the hassle of free weights. if only people could put away
what they take out. my gym is leaning towards more selectorized
equipment in the future just for that reason.
...thehick

Then you are not lifting at a real gym. Any gym that gives up free weights
is not a gym that any real lifter should be going to.

frank-in-toronto said:

(R P) said:

I received a post card invitation to visit a new gym just opened
near me. It features a "circuit-type" training principal,...as far
as the equipment,..you work against air-filled cylinders at each
station, {adjustable 0-almost solid} the method is to
push-pull,10-12 reps, very quickly,"explosive movements" is the term
they use. They go on to say one full-body circuit is
recommended,working up to three full body circuits,max!

isn't this curves? i can understand that some gym owners don't want
the hassle of free weights. if only people could put away what they
take out. my gym is leaning towards more selectorized equipment in
the future just for that reason. ...thehick

What's the point of paying money to work out at a "gym" that doesn't
have free weights. That's like paying money to swim at an empty
pool.

Jason

I like that " it's like paying money to swim in an empty pool"...<G>

This place has some really nice & complete free weights,benches
etc.,......in another room.
They just seem to push the Cybex-circuit!

It cost $100.00,initial fee the $30.00 p/month after that,....no
contract.

So I might try it for a while.
I have a fairly nice gym here at home [free-weight] + a stationary bike.
It just seems like I go through {lazy} spells,start making excuses,&
so-on. But if I go to a commercial gym for a while,.......I won't
[censored]-away the money ,..so-to-speak, & somehow that get me through my
"lazy-spell"..............Ron

(R P) said:

I like that " it's like paying money to swim in an empty pool"...<G>

Thanks 🙂.

Quoted message said:

This place has some really nice & complete free weights,benches
etc.,......in another room. They just seem to push the
Cybex-circuit!

Of course they are pushing the Cybex circuit. They probably paid a
quadzillion dollars for their Cybex circuit, and it's precisely the
sort of thing that your average workout enthusiast can't duplicate at
home or at a less expensive gym. If they can get you to believe that
the Cybex circuit is the "one true path" then they can guarantee that
you'll keep paying your dues.

Besides, machines aren't nearly as scary to newbies as free weights.
Gyms make a substantial percentage of their money from New Year's
Resolutionists that join a gym and only go once or twice. Gyms have
to have actual equipment to attract the actual fitness enthusiasts
that serve as free advertisement for their services, but they also
need some equipment that doesn't scare their newbie customers into the
waiting arms of a competitor.

Quoted message said:

It cost $100.00,initial fee the $30.00 p/month after that,....no
contract.

That sounds pretty good. It's a little less than the power rack,
bench, and Olympic set I am looking at, and you'd have access to a lot
more equipment.

Quoted message said:

So I might try it for a while. I have a fairly nice gym here at
home [free-weight] + a stationary bike. It just seems like I go
through {lazy} spells,start making excuses,& so-on. But if I go to a
commercial gym for a while,.......I won't [censored]-away the money
,..so-to-speak, & somehow that get me through my
"lazy-spell"..............Ron

Whatever it takes to get you to workout. Besides, a lot of people
like the social aspect of working out in a gym. Personally, I don't
think that I would work out if I had to drive somewhere to do it.

Jason

R P said:

This place has some really nice & complete free weights, benches
etc.,......in another room.
They just seem to push the Cybex-circuit!

Do they also have a variety of cardio equipment? A Concept 2 rower, an
elliptical machine, maybe a dreadmill?

I like having a gym membership as well as a bench and weights at home.
I not only appreciate the squat rack, hack squat and other high cost
equipment, but I like having a variety of cardio equipment for
cross-training or when I've got an injury that prevents me from doing my
regular cardio.

Quoted message said:

It cost $100.00,initial fee the $30.00 p/month after that,....no
contract.

That seems reasonable if you'll get more than the Cybex out of it. I
have used the cybex stuff and I like it for when I'm being particularly
brain-dead and just want to go through the motions - keep my base but
nothing more. It's fast, it doesn't need a lot of concentration, you
just strap yourself in and set the dial and go. I wouldn't sign up for
it when I was pushing for gains. But it's good enough for when you are
just trying to drag your carcass into the gym when other stuff has your
attention.

Quoted message said:

So I might try it for a while.
I have a fairly nice gym here at home [free-weight] + a stationary bike.
It just seems like I go through {lazy} spells,start making excuses,&
so-on. But if I go to a commercial gym for a while,.......I won't
[censored]-away the money ,..so-to-speak, & somehow that get me through my
"lazy-spell"..............Ron

You've got a good point about changing things up being a way to kill the
doldrums. I like the social atmosphere of the gym and find that it
works to re-enforce me exercising. Sometimes I'll go just in case I
should see a friend, and almost accidently end up with a good workout
in. (Sometimes I'll tell myself I'm going just to see who's there, and
really INTEND to get a good workout in but I'm just tricking myself to
get me into the gym. Self-deception has always been a good tool for me.
YMMV.)

I wouldn't count on guilt over money spent being enough of a motivator.
The fitness industry is pile sky-high in money spent for equipment not
used.

Dally

Dally said:

That seems reasonable if you'll get more than the Cybex out of it. I
have used the cybex stuff and I like it for when I'm being particularly
brain-dead and just want to go through the motions - keep my base but
nothing more. It's fast, it doesn't need a lot of concentration, you
just strap yourself in and set the dial and go. I wouldn't sign up for
it when I was pushing for gains. But it's good enough for when you are
just trying to drag your carcass into the gym when other stuff has your
attention.

That said, it was the mainstay of Dr. Squat's conditioning
program for Evander Holyfield:

http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

YMMV

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Helgi Briem said:

Dally said:

That seems reasonable if you'll get more than the Cybex out of it. I
have used the cybex stuff and I like it for when I'm being particularly
brain-dead and just want to go through the motions - keep my base but
nothing more. It's fast, it doesn't need a lot of concentration, you
just strap yourself in and set the dial and go. I wouldn't sign up for
it when I was pushing for gains. But it's good enough for when you are
just trying to drag your carcass into the gym when other stuff has your
attention.

That said, it was the mainstay of Dr. Squat's conditioning
program for Evander Holyfield:

http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

YMMV

Did you read that? During his morning workout three times a week he
used a cybex for upper body. And every evening he did this:

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Weight Training Initially (during mesocycle one), Evander followed a modified bodybuilding and basic strengthening program using a "variable split" format. A, B and C specify whether the workout is to be a very easy one (A), a moderately difficult one (B), or a high intensity one (C). This part of Evander's program was monitored by Lee Haney, multiple "Mr. Olympia" bodybuilding champion, and a former student of mine.

Evander's Variable Split Exercise Listing

The precise schedule of when to do an A, B or C workout was matched to Evander's recuperative abilities.

Chest
bench press
add dumbbell bench press
add incline dumbbell bench press

Shoulders
seated dumbbell presses
add frontal dumbbell raises
add lateral raises

Back
bent rows, back extensions
add modified pull-ups
add pull-downs

Arms
EZ curls, pushdowns
add hi, moderate and low rep system
add dumbbell curls, dips

Legs
safety squats, keystone deadlifts
add lunge walking, glute-ham raises
add twisting squats, leg curls

Midsection
Russian twists
add pre-stretched crunches
add sidebends

I'm sure Cybex would like you to think Cybex is responsible for his
body, but it appears to have been the second tier of arm workout.

Dally

Dally said:

Quoted message said:

That said, it was the mainstay of Dr. Squat's conditioning
program for Evander Holyfield:

http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9709/hatfield.html

YMMV

Did you read that? During his morning workout three times a
week he used a cybex for upper body. And every evening he did
this:

Yes.

<snip Evander's weight training routine>

Quoted message said:

I'm sure Cybex would like you to think Cybex is responsible for his
body, but it appears to have been the second tier of arm workout.

Well, it was his main "conditioning" workout, aka cardio, aka
aerobic workout. Dr Squat had him do it instead of the traditional
boxer's "road work". Traditional Rocky-style running doesn't
develop arm endurance. That seemed to be the point of using
the Cybex. I don't myself, I lift.

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