[OT] Petrol

"Zog The Undeniable" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

It seems to be widespread. Silly, isn't it. The Beeb are running an item on
the "Have your say" page at

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4238408.stm

Cheers, helen s

Zog The Undeniable said:

Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

I dont know why anyones queuing, its rather strange. The only reason
theres a shortage is due to panic buying.

I think the fuel crisis is great, it gives me an excuse to cycle more.

I have a company car and a lot of the time I have to carry stuff around
with me so don't have the chance to always cycle to work when I want to.

So I made a special effort to make sure that everything I need for
tomorrow is already at the office and I don't have to go anywhere else
during the day. They can't complain, I'm doing them a favour (and the
environment) by saving fuel.

It's not a particularly long cycle ride but an enjoyable one nonetheless
- I just hope it doesn't rain!

Seeing the queues at the petrol stations earlier made me laugh.
I'm not too fussed if I run out of fuel during the week, when it get's
near empty, I'll fill it up like I usually do, if I can't then
nevermind, a walk/ride won't kill me.

One guy on the local radio this morning queued up for 20 minutes at his
local petrol station just to top his car up.

4 quids worth of fuel he bought, what a selfish [censored] - Make the queues
bigger and take every last scrap you can whether you need it or not.

Cheers

R

Zog The Undeniable said:

Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

yes and the real shame is I desperately need some, running on vapour
but can't bring myself to join the Lemmings (and can probably wait
until it comes down a bit, laughs).

Next week I shall be borrowing Mrs M's Occupational Therapist uniform
as some as someone on high in PetroCo has decided that only front line
NHS staff can have any, not low life test tube washers.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

I was pleasantly surprised at the headline in the local paper,
though. "Motorists cause chaos as queues form at pumps".

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Zog The Undeniable came up with the following;:

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Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

Heh.

I live in Doncaster, towed the caravan with family and a couple of friends
to Letchworth on Friday, back again on Sunday and topped up (£50's worth,
Landrover Discovery). We now have enough to last at least two weeks when we
shall once again sally forth but to Worcester for the weekend. 😉

Meantime I use Shanks' Pony, my bicycle, my motorbike, the wife's car or PT,
in that order, as need/suitability arises. 😉 As we have no need to visit
the woods this week the Landrover is parked up.

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Well I can't complain - the more the fuel price goes up, the more cash
I save due to the 5000 commuting miles I do a year.
Also, my company shares go up, so I can't really lose ;-)

Thought it was outrageous Brown asking OPEC to raise production to
bring down the price of crude oil, since it's his tax take that is the
main reason for the high price of fuel. In any case, it's not lack of
crude oil that's the problem, it's a shortage of refinery capacity to
process the crude which was exacerbated by Hurricane Katrina.

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Well I can't complain - the more the fuel price goes up, the more cash
I save due to the 5000 commuting miles I do a year.
Also, my company shares go up, so I can't really lose ;-)

Thought it was outrageous Brown asking OPEC to raise production to
bring down the price of crude oil, since it's his tax take that is the
main reason for the high price of fuel. In any case, it's not lack of
crude oil that's the problem, it's a shortage of refinery capacity to
process the crude which was exacerbated by Hurricane Katrina.

well, crude has doubled in two years where as tax hasnt changed. Though
the hauliers are more annoyed about the price of disel compared to
eastern europe.

The *rate* of tax hasn't changed but the higher the price of fuel the
more VAT the Govt gets.

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The *rate* of tax hasn't changed but the higher the price of fuel the
more VAT the Govt gets.

well thats true for almost anything. If CDs go up I don't moan that the
government has put tax up on them

I think the problem people have with fuel is that you pay duty on it
and then pay VAT on the duty.Gordon Brown is raking in a vast amount of
cash that he could not have forseen simply due to the fact that the
cost of the fuel has gone up. People then wonder if he could actually
cut the tax to relieve the "burden".

I submit that on or about 13 Sep 2005 13:47:41 -0700, the person known
to the court as [email hidden] made a statement
(<[email hidden]> in Your
Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

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I think the problem people have with fuel is that you pay duty on it
and then pay VAT on the duty.Gordon Brown is raking in a vast amount of
cash that he could not have forseen simply due to the fact that the
cost of the fuel has gone up.

But since the duty is a fixed price per litre, the VAT on the duty is
unchanged. All that has changed is that the global price of oil has
risen, and since that is largely controlled by a cartel it is hardly
the Government's fault.

I believe that the so-called fuel protests are a cynical action driven
by people who simply don't like the present Government, but are unable
to make their chosen party attractive enough to get elected.

And the smart move is to realise that building a lifestyle dependent
on unlimited cheap oil is stupid anyway, and take appropriate remedial
action. Like: not living further from work than you can cycle.

As for the whining phagf who queue for hours to put £3.28 worth of
petrol into an already almost full tank - shpx 'em.

Guy
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All that has changed is that the global price of oil has

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risen, and since that is largely controlled by a cartel it is hardly
the Government's fault.

Was it not even slightly affected by the Iraq war then?

Just zis Guy said:

As for the whining phagf who queue for hours to put £3.28 worth of
petrol into an already almost full tank - shpx 'em.

I've been tempted to put a sign on the back of the trailer along the
lines of "fuel crisis? I'm nearly out of jaffa cakes" but that might
not do much for my longevity.

Is it just me or are people driving a lot worse now they are stressed
about being stressed about fuel?

...d

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I think the problem people have with fuel is that you pay duty on it
and then pay VAT on the duty.Gordon Brown is raking in a vast amount of
cash that he could not have forseen simply due to the fact that the
cost of the fuel has gone up. People then wonder if he could actually
cut the tax to relieve the "burden".

AIUI you pay VAT on the "fuel" part only, not the duty.

--
Nobby

MartinM said:

Zog The Undeniable said:

Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

yes and the real shame is I desperately need some, running on vapour
but can't bring myself to join the Lemmings (and can probably wait
until it comes down a bit, laughs).

Heh. I have to take the mother in law back to Manchester Airport tomorrow.
So, having less than half a tank, and hearing that there were going to be
fuel queues today, I went out last night to buy some, to find the local
station busy but at least with fuel. It's completely daft. I blame it on
the bloody media - they shouldn't report panic buying, because if they
do people who need fuel for one reason or another either ignore it and
risk empty petrol stations becasuse of other's panic buying, or go out
and buy fuel, thereby increasing the stories of panic buying, therefore
causing more panic buying reports, causing ...

WHatever happenned to responsible reporting? Oh, I see.

--
Nobby

"Nobody Here" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I think the problem people have with fuel is that you pay duty on it
and then pay VAT on the duty.Gordon Brown is raking in a vast amount of
cash that he could not have forseen simply due to the fact that the
cost of the fuel has gone up. People then wonder if he could actually
cut the tax to relieve the "burden".

AIUI you pay VAT on the "fuel" part only, not the duty.

You'd be wrong. Not that it's relevant - duty + VAT = fixed cost, so just
think of it as that.

Simon's phrasing is either unfortunate or wrong - as the fuel price goes up,
the duty doesn't, and neither does the VAT on the duty. The people who are
complaining about the extra VAT GB is getting due to the recent price rises
don't realise it would only be worth 2p/litre - far less than the amount of
increase they're actually complaining about.

cheers,
clive

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MartinM said:

Zog The Undeniable said:

Well, Swindon is rapidly drying up as the junkies queue up for their
dealer. Texaco completely out, big queue at Shell. I'm ashamed to be
part of the same human race as these idiots.

yes and the real shame is I desperately need some, running on vapour
but can't bring myself to join the Lemmings (and can probably wait
until it comes down a bit, laughs).

Heh. I have to take the mother in law back to Manchester Airport
tomorrow.
So, having less than half a tank, and hearing that there were going to be
fuel queues today, I went out last night to buy some, to find the local
station busy but at least with fuel. It's completely daft. I blame it on
the bloody media - they shouldn't report panic buying, because if they
do people who need fuel for one reason or another either ignore it and
risk empty petrol stations becasuse of other's panic buying, or go out
and buy fuel, thereby increasing the stories of panic buying, therefore
causing more panic buying reports, causing ...

WHatever happenned to responsible reporting? Oh, I see.

There's this thing called the internet. You may have heard of it. There are
also things called mobile phones. You don't need something to be reported on
the media for it to have an effect.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:10:16 +0100,

Clive George said:

"Nobody Here" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I think the problem people have with fuel is that you pay duty on it
and then pay VAT on the duty.Gordon Brown is raking in a vast amount of
cash that he could not have forseen simply due to the fact that the
cost of the fuel has gone up. People then wonder if he could actually
cut the tax to relieve the "burden".

AIUI you pay VAT on the "fuel" part only, not the duty.

You'd be wrong. Not that it's relevant - duty + VAT = fixed cost, so just
think of it as that.

Simon's phrasing is either unfortunate or wrong - as the fuel price goes up,
the duty doesn't, and neither does the VAT on the duty. The people who are
complaining about the extra VAT GB is getting due to the recent price rises
don't realise it would only be worth 2p/litre - far less than the amount of
increase they're actually complaining about.

Assuming the figures I saw the other day on the BBC site are correct on
a 97p litre of fuel there is 47p of tax.

So that means 50p for the fuel, 32.5p duty and then 14.5p VAT

At 77p/litre (IIRC the fuel protests were at about 80p litre) then we get
33p fuel, 32.5p duty and 11.5p VAT.

I'm sure Simon will know the breakdown of that 33p but we only have to
assume half was crude costs and half was refining, delivery etc (which
doesn't sound unreasonable to me) to get the current price of fuel.

So it looks like VAT has added 3p/litre and crude has added 17p/litre

A large proportion of the FTSE rally has been driven by firms like BP.
So people should also remember that the high cost of crude might
actually be reducing the shortfall on their endowments. (I don't have an
endowment and I don't have a car so am I a winner or a loser? ;-) )

Tim.

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