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  1. Today I finally got a round tuit. The long-awaited expedition
    to test-drive the folding bikes.

    After an early breakfast, I headed into town for the 7:25 bus.
    Arrived Plymouth station about 8:30 and took the 8:34 train to
    Bristol, where I again had to wait only a few minutes for the 11:00
    to Bath, arriving at Avon Valley Cyclery around 11:15-ish.
    Wandering in with a "looking for service" air, I managed to attract
    the attention of staff member Dave, who dealt very pleasantly and
    helpfully with me while I went on several test rides and made up
    my mind.

    First exercise was to look at some folded specimens. The birdy
    and the brompton were particularly compact. Of the two, the birdy
    was much lighter, and Dave explained it was the better bike for
    riding any distance.

    So my first test ride was their demo birdy-black. An impressively
    light bike, that handled beautifully in the city traffic, nipping
    everywhere with an easy acceleration and manoueverability that
    belied its rider's paunch. But on the uphill it was hard work,
    and by the time I was up Combe Down I was dripping sweat and
    knackered. The descent felt scary: the liveliness that was so
    great in traffic translated to being hard work to keep it on
    course, and I felt compelled to move my weight a long way back
    even for gentle braking. And a couple of other problems: it
    left my hands in some discomfort from the bars, and the available
    space to grip was too small for my hands - especially on the right
    where the gear-shifters got in the way.

    After that I tried the Brompton 6-gear effort. The bars were more
    comfortable than the birdy to hold, but apart from that it had all
    the same drawbacks. And it lacked the traffic-handling advantage:
    OK it could nip, but had none of the effortless ease of the birdy.
    Worse, it took constant concentration just to go where I wanted,
    even on the flat, with a tendency to w-w-wobble if I tried to relax.

    When I expressed my reservations about the birdy, Dave got the demo
    Bike Friday out - a 24-speed model. That was my third test ride,
    and was a total contrast. Unlike the others, it felt like riding
    a decent-quality normal bike. The test ride was such a pleasure
    I extended it to include an uphill (not at all the struggle it had
    been on the birdy - despite being a heavier bike), a downhill,
    and an extended fast flattish section. Not as lively in traffic as
    the birdy, but that's not an issue for me, as I live in a rural area,
    and even our local big city (Plymouth) has very little traffic
    of the kind one needs to nip around.
    My dream folding bike? Not quite. Though a lovely ride, folding it
    is much more of a faff than the others, and involves taking the bars
    off (and into pieces to fold compactly). Not really the purpose of
    getting a folder. And I could just see myself constantly worrying
    about losing the bars, until the inevitable day when it really happened.

    By now it was past lunchtime, and having ridden hard on an empty
    stomach I went for some lunch, and to look over the brochures for
    the birdy, bike friday, and dahon (next on the menu). Lunch was,
    alas, a substandard tourist ripoff, the place I had hoped to go
    being no longer there. But at least it stopped me feeling
    lightheaded.

    Back to the shop, and Dave lets me out on the Dahon Impulse. It's
    got a longer wheelbase than the others, yet folds pretty compactly
    and with less faff than the Bike Friday. Like the Bike Friday, it
    felt like riding a normal bike. The uphill was again a struggle,
    and a lower gear would have helped.
    As it happens, they have also a 21-gear version of the same bike,
    with hub gears in addition to the deraileurs. The gears didn't
    respond quite as well as they should, and the ride felt distinctly
    bumpy as it seemed to take delight in tranmitting every blemish
    in the road up to me, so the equivalent normal bike is not such
    high quality as the bike friday, but is neverthess acceptable.
    And folding/carrying it is less faff. The ultra-low rack is a
    bit of a problem - it's too small to attach panniers - but Dave
    ascertains we can fit a bigger rack without harming foldability,
    so that's OK.

    I took one more test-ride, this final time on a white birdy,
    having more space for the hands, and more gears to deal with
    the hills, than its black cousin. This one I probably could
    have got used to. But I still felt its principal strength
    was the (largely irrelevant to me) performance in traffic,
    and that it certainly couldn't justify double the price
    of the dahon.

    The conclusion I reached was that there is, alas, no ideal folder
    that'll meet all my aspirations. But the Dahon was something I
    could live with, at a far more reasonable price than any birdy
    or bike friday. So I ordered the 21-speed version of it, and
    a few relevant accessories. And my only regret is that, because
    it's a cheaper model than some of the others, the chancellor's
    contribution to the cost will be reduced. But then, so will
    mine, so that's good:-)

    The nightmare was yet to come. I had a wait of twentysomething
    minutes for my train at Bath, followed by an hour each at
    Bristol and Plymouth, due to [censored]-poor connections on the
    homeward journey. I took advantage of the Bristol wait to
    nip round to the nearby Wetherspoons pub and indulge in some
    much-needed beer, some food, and some more beer. Finally
    the bloody bus from Plymouth didn't turn up at all, so when it
    was half an hour late I gave up and took a minicab home. Bah:-(

    Delivery of the new toy is on Wednesday, and I have a use for
    it on Thursday:-)

    --
    Nick Kew

  2. Nick Kew said:

    Today I finally got a round tuit. The long-awaited expedition
    to test-drive the folding bikes.

    Quoted message said:

    So my first test ride was their demo birdy-black. An impressively
    light bike, that handled beautifully in the city traffic, nipping
    everywhere with an easy acceleration and manoueverability that
    belied its rider's paunch. But on the uphill it was hard work,
    and by the time I was up Combe Down I was dripping sweat and
    knackered.

    Trying to go too hard? I was dripping sweat after riding my Oiseau
    home yesterday. I was riding harder than I usually do. Whether I was
    actually going faster or just working harder I can't tell. Also it was
    pretty hot and muggy yesterday in London.

    Quoted message said:

    After that I tried the Brompton 6-gear effort. The bars were more
    comfortable than the birdy to hold, but apart from that it had all
    the same drawbacks. And it lacked the traffic-handling advantage:
    OK it could nip, but had none of the effortless ease of the birdy.
    Worse, it took constant concentration just to go where I wanted,
    even on the flat, with a tendency to w-w-wobble if I tried to relax.

    Quoted message said:

    Back to the shop, and Dave lets me out on the Dahon Impulse. It's
    got a longer wheelbase than the others,

    The Birdy wheelbase is almost exactly the same as my bog standard road
    bike. The overall length is of course less because of the smaller
    wheels. Small wheels also have less gyroscopic force and hence less
    stability. Twitchyness of the steering is also influenced by fork
    geometry and suspension, I think this is why the Birdy is less twitchy
    than the Brom.

    Quoted message said:

    The conclusion I reached was that there is, alas, no ideal folder
    that'll meet all my aspirations.

    If the ideal number of bikes is n+1 where n is the number of bikes you
    have then this is also true for folders

    Quoted message said:

    homeward journey. I took advantage of the Bristol wait to
    nip round to the nearby Wetherspoons pub and indulge in some
    much-needed beer, some food, and some more beer.

    That's where the paunch comes from ;-0 BTDTGTTS
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  3. Nick Kew said:

    Today I finally got a round tuit. The long-awaited expedition
    to test-drive the folding bikes.

    After an early breakfast, I headed into town for the 7:25 bus.
    Arrived Plymouth station about 8:30 and took the 8:34 train to
    Bristol, where I again had to wait only a few minutes for the 11:00
    to Bath, arriving at Avon Valley Cyclery around 11:15-ish.
    Wandering in with a "looking for service" air, I managed to attract
    the attention of staff member Dave, who dealt very pleasantly and
    helpfully with me while I went on several test rides and made up
    my mind.

    They were extremely helpful last time I went in, and dug a Lumotec Oval out
    of their miscellaneous lighting (seconds) box (It was near midsummer). While
    waiting for him to try and find the mounting stuff, I was sorely tempted by
    the folders, although it was the Airnimal Rhino that really drew me. I take
    it that was too big, too expensive and too off-roady for you, though.

    --
    Ambrose

  4. Phil Cook said:

    Trying to go too hard? I was dripping sweat after riding my Oiseau
    home yesterday. I was riding harder than I usually do. Whether I was
    actually going faster or just working harder I can't tell. Also it was
    pretty hot and muggy yesterday in London.

    For London I'd think the birdy a much better choice than for me
    out in the sticks. You simply don't have hills big enough to make
    hard work, but you do have the traffic to make an agile and
    responsive mount a real asset.

    Quoted message said:


    The Birdy wheelbase is almost exactly the same as my bog standard road
    bike.

    Indeed, the scariness was certainly at least partly psychological,
    and is something I'd expect to get used to over time.

    Quoted message said:

    The overall length is of course less because of the smaller
    wheels. Small wheels also have less gyroscopic force and hence less
    stability. Twitchyness of the steering is also influenced by fork
    geometry and suspension, I think this is why the Birdy is less twitchy
    than the Brom.

    Indeed, the couple of extra inches was very probably the major
    difference that made both the Bike Friday and Dahon feel much more
    like a normal bike than the birdy or brompton.

    Funnily enough, my first ever bike was a small-wheeled effort.
    My uncle and aunt bought it for me (against my wishes - seemed
    naff for a ten-year-old) on the grounds that it would grow with
    me by simply raising the seat. And it did: it easily lasted me
    through to my adult height.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The conclusion I reached was that there is, alas, no ideal folder
    that'll meet all my aspirations.

    If the ideal number of bikes is n+1 where n is the number of bikes you
    have then this is also true for folders

    Heh. If I had space for another ...
    That of course is one of the major advantages of a folder.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    homeward journey. I took advantage of the Bristol wait to
    nip round to the nearby Wetherspoons pub and indulge in some
    much-needed beer, some food, and some more beer.

    That's where the paunch comes from ;-0 BTDTGTTS

    Not really. It comes from middle-age, and grew specifically when I was
    in Italy, and couldn't resist the large lunches in the staff canteen.

    --
    Nick Kew

  5. Ambrose Nankivell wrote:

    While waiting for him to try and find the mounting stuff, I

    Quoted message said:

    was sorely tempted by the folders, although it was the Airnimal Rhino
    that really drew me. I take it that was too big, too expensive and too
    off-roady for you, though.

    I looked at the airnimals, but Dave told me they wouldn't really be
    suitable, given my wish for compact and easy folding. I didn't ask
    the price, but I thought there were roady options in that range too?
    Ditto the moulton: I know already that's a nice ride, but it's not
    a compact folder.

    --
    Nick Kew

  6. Nick Kew said:

    Lunch was,
    alas, a substandard tourist ripoff, the place I had hoped to go
    being no longer there. But at least it stopped me feeling
    lightheaded.

    You weren't planning to go the café at what used to be the Window Arts
    Centre, were you? I discovered on Saturday that it had closed down
    (*after* carrying the pushchair down the steps) :-(

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  7. Nick Kew said:

    Ambrose Nankivell wrote:

    While waiting for him to try and find the mounting stuff, I

    Quoted message said:

    was sorely tempted by the folders, although it was the Airnimal Rhino
    that really drew me. I take it that was too big, too expensive and
    too off-roady for you, though.

    I looked at the airnimals, but Dave told me they wouldn't really be
    suitable, given my wish for compact and easy folding. I didn't ask
    the price, but I thought there were roady options in that range too?
    Ditto the moulton: I know already that's a nice ride, but it's not
    a compact folder.

    The roady ones have 24" wheels, and the off roader has BMX wheels, so I
    guess it fits a bit nearer to compact and easy folding, but still it's a bit
    far off. I, of course, was drooling over the bike and not thinking what I
    needed it for, at least partly because I have access to a Brompton to borrow
    as and when I need it, and no real need for a folder, so it was the
    Airnimals that were the most droolworthy, with practicality not really an
    issue.
    --
    Ambrose

  8. "Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Delivery of the new toy is on Wednesday, and I have a use for
    it on Thursday:-)

    Enjoy your toy!

    Cheers, helen s

  9. Danny Colyer said:
    Nick Kew said:

    Lunch was,
    alas, a substandard tourist ripoff, the place I had hoped to go
    being no longer there. But at least it stopped me feeling
    lightheaded.

    You weren't planning to go the café at what used to be the Window Arts
    Centre, were you?

    Nope. Not sure how much this dates me, but I looked for Huckleberrys,
    the former vegetarian cafe up Broad Street, which I remembered as a good
    lunch spot. I half thought of going to see if there was still the
    creperie at the Paragon, but felt reluctant to go in there without
    touching the booze - if it was anything like I remembered! The Paragon
    was a favourite local when I lived in Bath, just a couple of minutes
    walk from it.

    Ended up selecting a place because it had seating in a nice courtyard
    between Broad Street and Milsom street. Calls itself french, but
    whatever the nationality, the food is pretty poor: the greek salad
    was at best undistinguished, the gateau very stale, and the coffee
    tasted of coffee that was brewed fresh well over an hour earlier.
    The standard institutional food at the Wetherspoons pub later was
    a huge improvement on it.

    --
    Nick Kew

  10. Nick Kew said:
    Phil Cook said:

    Trying to go too hard? I was dripping sweat after riding my Oiseau
    home yesterday. I was riding harder than I usually do. Whether I was
    actually going faster or just working harder I can't tell. Also it was
    pretty hot and muggy yesterday in London.

    For London I'd think the birdy a much better choice than for me
    out in the sticks. You simply don't have hills big enough to make
    hard work,

    Try telling that to the residents of Highgate Archway or Anerley :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, the scariness was certainly at least partly psychological,
    and is something I'd expect to get used to over time.

    Not seeing the front wheel out there is a little strange.

    Quoted message said:

    Funnily enough, my first ever bike was a small-wheeled effort.
    My uncle and aunt bought it for me (against my wishes - seemed
    naff for a ten-year-old) on the grounds that it would grow with
    me by simply raising the seat. And it did: it easily lasted me
    through to my adult height.

    My first bike other than a trike was a Raleigh Twenty. I too remember
    beeing less than impressed but it grew with me and I had great fun on
    it over the years.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  11. Nick Kew said:

    Nope. Not sure how much this dates me, but I looked for Huckleberrys,
    the former vegetarian cafe up Broad Street, which I remembered as a good
    lunch spot.

    Never heard of it, and I used to spend a lot of time on Broad Street
    when I was a student (that's where the Boggle juggling shop was).
    Still, restaurants seem to come and go along there.

    Quoted message said:

    Ended up selecting a place because it had seating in a nice courtyard
    between Broad Street and Milsom street. Calls itself french, but
    whatever the nationality, the food is pretty poor: the greek salad
    was at best undistinguished, the gateau very stale, and the coffee
    tasted of coffee that was brewed fresh well over an hour earlier.

    I know the place. Never been tempted to eat there, I don't think I ever
    will now.

    --
    Danny Colyer (my reply address is valid but checked infrequently)
    <URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
    "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

  12. Phil Cook said:
    Nick Kew said:
    Phil Cook said:

    Trying to go too hard? I was dripping sweat after riding my Oiseau
    home yesterday. I was riding harder than I usually do. Whether I was
    actually going faster or just working harder I can't tell. Also it was
    pretty hot and muggy yesterday in London.

    For London I'd think the birdy a much better choice than for me
    out in the sticks. You simply don't have hills big enough to make
    hard work,

    Try telling that to the residents of Highgate Archway or Anerley :-)

    I am familiar with the area - family friends in Highgate, plenty of
    exposure to Hampstead heath, Muswell Hill etc. Also sarf London,
    including the North Downs out Sevenoaks way, and Surrey, as well
    as the innermore areas. Both Denmark Hill(sic) and Telegraph Hill(sic)
    have been on my commute at some time ...

    .... But I'm not sorry to be out. At least here I can afford the rent
    on a place with hot and cold water on tap ...

    --
    Not me guv

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