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  1. It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and various others.

    The logic seems to be that if you are a regular cyclist, the only accident
    will be being hit by another vehicle and a helmet will not protect you
    against that. And that a helmet will not protect you against leg injuries.

    Where is your evidence for this?

    A few points:

    Would they tell their own children not to wear a helmet when cycling?

    Do they really think they know more about the effects of accidents than the
    A and E staff, who have frequent experience of the effects of traumatic
    injury to the head.

    Have they ever been to Spain? Or Italy? On a recent 7 day trip to France
    we saw only three cyclists not wearing a helmet.

    The only assumption I can make is that these are armchair warriors, who
    rarely if even actually get out on a road or mountain bike and are fond of
    expounding their odd theories. Those of us who actually do a bit of proper
    cycling know different, and always wear a helmet.

    Finally the suggestion that kids will not cycle if they have to wear a
    helmet is rubbish. Mine always do, and all their friends do. They always
    have and it is second nature to them.

    Peter Taylor

  2. Peter Taylor wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against
    anyone wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and
    various others.

    The logic seems to be that if you are a regular cyclist, the only
    accident will be being hit by another vehicle and a helmet will not
    protect you against that. And that a helmet will not protect you
    against leg injuries.

    Where is your evidence for this?

    A few points:

    Would they tell their own children not to wear a helmet when cycling?

    Do they really think they know more about the effects of accidents
    than the A and E staff, who have frequent experience of the effects
    of traumatic injury to the head.

    Have they ever been to Spain? Or Italy? On a recent 7 day trip to
    France we saw only three cyclists not wearing a helmet.

    The only assumption I can make is that these are armchair warriors,
    who rarely if even actually get out on a road or mountain bike and are
    fond of expounding their odd theories. Those of us who actually do a
    bit of proper cycling know different, and always wear a helmet.

    Finally the suggestion that kids will not cycle if they have to wear a
    helmet is rubbish. Mine always do, and all their friends do. They
    always have and it is second nature to them.

    Peter Taylor

    A*

    Brilliant troll. I've left it unsnipped, it was that good.

  3. Peter Taylor said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and various others.

    I refer the honourable gentleman to the identical threads he started on
    June 7th 2005, Dec 3rd 2004, Sept 8th 2004, Sept 7th 2004... (need I go
    on?) to avoid tedious repetition of well rehearsed arguments

    http://snipurl.com/hggk
    http://snipurl.com/hggm
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    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  4. Peter Taylor said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and various others.

    Idiot. It would seem you are either stupid, or deliberately and
    wilfully misrepresenting what people have said. Please go away.

    regards, Ian SMith
    --
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  5. "Peter Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and various others.

    The logic seems to be that if you are a regular cyclist, the only accident
    will be being hit by another vehicle and a helmet will not protect you
    against that. And that a helmet will not protect you against leg
    injuries.

    Where is your evidence for this?

    A few points:

    Would they tell their own children not to wear a helmet when cycling?

    Do they really think they know more about the effects of accidents than
    the
    A and E staff, who have frequent experience of the effects of traumatic
    injury to the head.

    Have they ever been to Spain? Or Italy? On a recent 7 day trip to France
    we saw only three cyclists not wearing a helmet.

    The only assumption I can make is that these are armchair warriors, who
    rarely if even actually get out on a road or mountain bike and are fond of
    expounding their odd theories. Those of us who actually do a bit of
    proper
    cycling know different, and always wear a helmet.

    Finally the suggestion that kids will not cycle if they have to wear a
    helmet is rubbish. Mine always do, and all their friends do. They always
    have and it is second nature to them.

    Peter Taylor


    How old are you Peter?

    Just wondered if you qualify for the epithet "boring old fart". Obviously
    two of the terms fit, but I'm not sure about the middle one.

  6. Response to Rich:

    Quoted message said:

    How old are you Peter?

    Judging from past performance, Peter doesn't quite have the cojones to
    hang around and answer questions, I'm afraid ;-) - to echo Sam Goldwyn,
    not even worth ignoring.

    Sig generator is taking an interest, I see.

    --
    Mark, UK

    "An obstinate man does not hold opinions, but they hold him."

  7. Mark McNeill said:

    Response to Rich:

    Quoted message said:

    How old are you Peter?

    Judging from past performance, Peter doesn't quite have the cojones to
    hang around and answer questions, I'm afraid ;-) - to echo Sam Goldwyn,
    not even worth ignoring.

    As I said in the June 7th thread he started:

    "guys (and gals) please note that in each of the helmet threads he
    started he posted only the once. So if you are trying to persuade him,
    he's not there, he's vamoosed, he's gone to wherever trolls go when they
    are not trolling."

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Peter

    Taylor (') said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against
    anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and various
    others.

    The logic seems to be that if you are a regular cyclist, the only
    accident will be being hit by another vehicle and a helmet will not
    protect you
    against that. And that a helmet will not protect you against leg
    injuries.

    Where is your evidence for this?

    Cyclists in western Europe who wear a helmet are about five times more
    likely to be killed per kilometer cycled than those who don't. That is
    true[1] but, like all facts about helmets, this one conceals several
    curious features which make it worth treating with a pinch of salt. The
    number of kilometers cycled safely by non-helmet-wearing Dutch, German
    and Danish cyclists is so much greater than the numbers for any other
    country that it does affect the result.

    Nevertheless there's a truth here. When the Australians and the New
    Zeelanders made cycling helmets mandatory, the number of cycling head
    injuries went down - but not as much as the number of kilometers cycled
    went down. There really does seem to be a small positive correlation
    between wearing a helmet and getting killed.

    No-one really knows why. One possibility is risk compensation. One
    possibility is over-heating of the brain leading to impaired judgement
    (this is known to happen with military helmets). But the possibility I
    think most likely is that in high energy impacts, the increased diameter
    of the head with a helmet on increases rotational injuries of the brain
    to a lethal degree.

    This is not to say 'don't wear a helmet'. There are lots of sensible
    reasons to wear a helmet, including protecting yourself from scratches
    and bruising in simple falls. But for every serious accident in which a
    helmet actually contributes to saving someone's life, there is slightly
    more than one accident in which the helmet actually contributes to a
    death.

    Quoted message said:

    A few points:

    Would they tell their own children not to wear a helmet when cycling?

    Like I said - they're considerably less likely to get scratched and
    bruised if they do wear a helmet, but very slightly more likely to be
    killed. However, incidents where scratching and bruising is a risk are
    so much more common than accidents where death is a risk that you may
    think it worthwhile to wear a helmet, despite the small increase in the
    risk of death.

    I'd never advise other people's children not to wear helmets (or to wear
    them, either).

    Quoted message said:


    Do they really think they know more about the effects of accidents than
    the
    A and E staff, who have frequent experience of the effects of
    traumatic injury to the head.

    Have they ever been to Spain? Or Italy? On a recent 7 day trip to
    France we saw only three cyclists not wearing a helmet.

    And have you noticed that deaths per billion kilometers cycled are very
    much higher in France, Spain and Italy than in the Netherlands, Denmark
    and Germany, where helmet wearing is rare? Chicken or egg?

    [1] I haven't yet got enough figures to say confidently the exact figure,
    but somewhere between three and seven times more likely.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'Victories are not solutions.'
    ;; John Hume, Northern Irish politician, on Radio Scotland 1/2/95
    ;; Nobel Peace Prize laureate 1998; few have deserved it so much

  9. Peter Taylor said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling. Tony Raven, Ian Smith and various others.

    The logic seems to be that if you are a regular cyclist, the only accident
    will be being hit by another vehicle and a helmet will not protect you
    against that. And that a helmet will not protect you against leg injuries.

    Where is your evidence for this?

    A few points:

    Would they tell their own children not to wear a helmet when cycling?

    Do they really think they know more about the effects of accidents than the
    A and E staff, who have frequent experience of the effects of traumatic
    injury to the head.

    Have they ever been to Spain? Or Italy? On a recent 7 day trip to France
    we saw only three cyclists not wearing a helmet.

    The only assumption I can make is that these are armchair warriors, who
    rarely if even actually get out on a road or mountain bike and are fond of
    expounding their odd theories. Those of us who actually do a bit of proper
    cycling know different, and always wear a helmet.

    Finally the suggestion that kids will not cycle if they have to wear a
    helmet is rubbish. Mine always do, and all their friends do. They always
    have and it is second nature to them.

    Peter Taylor

    Idiot. You haven't a clue about the folk on here have you.

  10. MSeries said:

    Peter Taylor wrote:


    (Twaddle snipped)

    Quoted message said:

    Idiot. You haven't a clue about the folk on here have you.

    He turns up here every few months and trolls either on this issue or on
    selfish cyclists getting in the way of motor traffic.

    --
    Dave...

  11. I submit that on or about Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC), the
    person known to the court as "Peter Taylor" <[email hidden]>
    made a statement (<[email hidden]>
    in Your Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

    Quoted message said:

    It would seem that many members of this group are dead set against anyone
    wearing a helmet when cycling.

    LOL! A particularly obvious and pathetic troll.

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

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