An irritation

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.
Has anyone filed off these offending metal
protuberances? Any predicted ill effects (besides
the possibility of wheel popping out if skewer
snaps while riding, which could happen even with
the lip)?

I once rode down Mt Barker Rd in Adelaide with only
one nut on the front hub. Didn't realise until I'd
got into the city and it was rattling a bit. No
fancy lip on those drop-outs.

DeF

I think they're called "lawyer lugs". I don't see any downsides to
filing them off, except that you wouldn't be able to sue the
manufacturer if you crash cause the wheel fell out when you popped a
wheelie...

I haven't yet filed them off my bike, but I bought a new file last week
so I might go do it today. They [censored] me off no end...

--
BrettS

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.

You're very easily [censored] 🙂

BrettS said:

I think they're called "lawyer lugs".
--
BrettS

Yep, they are another innovation from the good ol' litigious US of A.

There should be a clause somewhere that says that if you have an IQ greater than, say, 75, you can file 'em off.

SteveA

.....refitting the chain on the cassette would be my biggest bug-bear on shipping the rig in boot of a sedan..... owww, oily fingers, yuk!

Marx SS said:

....refitting the chain on the cassette would be my biggest bug-bear on
shipping the rig in boot of a sedan..... owww, oily fingers, yuk!

Oily fingers? Never! Hold the outside of the derailleur body to swing
it rearwards and out of the way. Line the chain up with the outer
sprocket and slot the wheel into place. Of course you need to have it
set to the highest gear, but you already did that when you took the
wheel off...

--
BrettS

BrettS said:

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.
Has anyone filed off these offending metal
protuberances? Any predicted ill effects (besides
the possibility of wheel popping out if skewer
snaps while riding, which could happen even with
the lip)?

I once rode down Mt Barker Rd in Adelaide with only
one nut on the front hub. Didn't realise until I'd
got into the city and it was rattling a bit. No
fancy lip on those drop-outs.

DeF

I think they're called "lawyer lugs". I don't see any downsides to
filing them off, except that you wouldn't be able to sue the
manufacturer if you crash cause the wheel fell out when you popped a
wheelie...

I haven't yet filed them off my bike, but I bought a new file last week
so I might go do it today. They [censored] me off no end...

--
BrettS

There's more to it then that. "Apparently",with disk brakes if you are
moving forward, when the calipers grip the disc the resultant force
tends to pull the wheel downwards out of the forks. If you don't have
disc brakes it probably won't be a problem.
A similar situation arises if you have the new rear facing dropouts
(like track bikes), apply the brake and the rear wheel will try to drag
itself out of the dropouts. it doesn't happen on a track bike because
you don't have brakes (not real ones anyway).

Kim

Bleve said:

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.

You're very easily [censored] 🙂

i don't have a lip on the fork as you discribe, i have a better feature.

when you undo the skewer, the loosen the nut on the other side from the
lever, then loosen the cam for the brakes, then wiggle like crazy to get
the tyre past the brakes =)

i don't have to do this very often, and never have had a skewer undo
itself, except when punted by some tw4t in a 'cruiser... the wheel was
also bent =( but better now =)

cheers,

kim

Kimba said:

BrettS said:

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.
Has anyone filed off these offending metal
protuberances? Any predicted ill effects (besides
the possibility of wheel popping out if skewer
snaps while riding, which could happen even with
the lip)?

I once rode down Mt Barker Rd in Adelaide with only
one nut on the front hub. Didn't realise until I'd
got into the city and it was rattling a bit. No
fancy lip on those drop-outs.

DeF

I think they're called "lawyer lugs". I don't see any downsides to
filing them off, except that you wouldn't be able to sue the
manufacturer if you crash cause the wheel fell out when you popped a
wheelie...

I haven't yet filed them off my bike, but I bought a new file last
week so I might go do it today. They [censored] me off no end...

--
BrettS

There's more to it then that. "Apparently",with disk brakes if you are
moving forward, when the calipers grip the disc the resultant force
tends to pull the wheel downwards out of the forks. If you don't have
disc brakes it probably won't be a problem.
A similar situation arises if you have the new rear facing dropouts
(like track bikes), apply the brake and the rear wheel will try to drag
itself out of the dropouts. it doesn't happen on a track bike because
you don't have brakes (not real ones anyway).

Kim

Maybe, if you don't tighten up the QR. Although I suspect that the
weight transfer to the front wheel would counteract this this effect.

Plus, Duncan's talking about his road bike so disk brakes are out.

Cheers
--
BrettS

BrettS said:

Kimba said:

BrettS said:

DeF wrote:

> All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
> front forks where there is a little lip on the
> dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
> to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
> After getting the bike in and out of the car
> a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.
> Has anyone filed off these offending metal
> protuberances? Any predicted ill effects (besides
> the possibility of wheel popping out if skewer
> snaps while riding, which could happen even with
> the lip)?
>
> I once rode down Mt Barker Rd in Adelaide with only
> one nut on the front hub. Didn't realise until I'd
> got into the city and it was rattling a bit. No
> fancy lip on those drop-outs.
>
> DeF
>

I think they're called "lawyer lugs". I don't see any downsides to
filing them off, except that you wouldn't be able to sue the
manufacturer if you crash cause the wheel fell out when you popped a
wheelie...

I haven't yet filed them off my bike, but I bought a new file last
week so I might go do it today. They [censored] me off no end...

--
BrettS

There's more to it then that. "Apparently",with disk brakes if you are
moving forward, when the calipers grip the disc the resultant force
tends to pull the wheel downwards out of the forks. If you don't have
disc brakes it probably won't be a problem.
A similar situation arises if you have the new rear facing dropouts
(like track bikes), apply the brake and the rear wheel will try to
drag itself out of the dropouts. it doesn't happen on a track bike
because you don't have brakes (not real ones anyway).

Kim

Maybe, if you don't tighten up the QR. Although I suspect that the
weight transfer to the front wheel would counteract this this effect.

Plus, Duncan's talking about his road bike so disk brakes are out.

Cheers

I'm not going to argue. Read this article.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/index.html

Kim

On 2005-09-05, Kim (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Bleve said:

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.

You're very easily [censored] 🙂

i don't have a lip on the fork as you discribe, i have a better feature.

when you undo the skewer, the loosen the nut on the other side from the
lever, then loosen the cam for the brakes, then wiggle like crazy to get
the tyre past the brakes =)

You have an OCR3 too, do you? 🙂

Quoted message said:

i don't have to do this very often, and never have had a skewer undo
itself, except when punted by some tw4t in a 'cruiser... the wheel was
also bent =( but better now =)

The back wheel is more of a pain than the GV bike, or is it the other
way? Either way, I've only had to do it once each.

--
TimC

Quoted message said:

So, what do *you* do for a living?

I sit in a chair, pressing small plastic rectangles with my fingers
while peering at many tiny, colored dots. -- Peter Manders

Kimba said:

BrettS said:

Kimba said:

BrettS wrote:

> DeF wrote:
>
>> All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
>> front forks where there is a little lip on the
>> dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
>> to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
>> After getting the bike in and out of the car
>> a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.
>> Has anyone filed off these offending metal
>> protuberances? Any predicted ill effects (besides
>> the possibility of wheel popping out if skewer
>> snaps while riding, which could happen even with
>> the lip)?
>>
>> I once rode down Mt Barker Rd in Adelaide with only
>> one nut on the front hub. Didn't realise until I'd
>> got into the city and it was rattling a bit. No
>> fancy lip on those drop-outs.
>>
>> DeF
>>
>
> I think they're called "lawyer lugs". I don't see any downsides to
> filing them off, except that you wouldn't be able to sue the
> manufacturer if you crash cause the wheel fell out when you popped a
> wheelie...
>
> I haven't yet filed them off my bike, but I bought a new file last
> week so I might go do it today. They [censored] me off no end...
>
> --
> BrettS

There's more to it then that. "Apparently",with disk brakes if you
are moving forward, when the calipers grip the disc the resultant
force tends to pull the wheel downwards out of the forks. If you
don't have disc brakes it probably won't be a problem.
A similar situation arises if you have the new rear facing dropouts
(like track bikes), apply the brake and the rear wheel will try to
drag itself out of the dropouts. it doesn't happen on a track bike
because you don't have brakes (not real ones anyway).

Kim

Maybe, if you don't tighten up the QR. Although I suspect that the
weight transfer to the front wheel would counteract this this effect.

Plus, Duncan's talking about his road bike so disk brakes are out.

Cheers

I'm not going to argue. Read this article.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/index.html

Kim

Thanks Kim, I stand corrected.

--
BrettS

DeF said:

All my newer bikes have this "feature" on the
front forks where there is a little lip on the
dropouts. This means that the quick-release has
to be loosened slightly to get the wheel out.
After getting the bike in and out of the car
a few times, this is starting to [censored] me off.
Has anyone filed off these offending metal
protuberances? Any predicted ill effects (besides
the possibility of wheel popping out if skewer
snaps while riding, which could happen even with
the lip)?

I once rode down Mt Barker Rd in Adelaide with only
one nut on the front hub. Didn't realise until I'd
got into the city and it was rattling a bit. No
fancy lip on those drop-outs.

DeF

Greetings,
The `lip' in question are known in the trade as Lawyer Lugs. They were
put there after US lawyers sued a few bike companies when front wheels
fell out. My bike has them too.
Regards,
Ray.

Kimba said:

I'm not going to argue. Read this article.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/index.html

If you reverse the fork sliders to bring the caliper in front of the axle
wont the force on the axle then be upward.

Theo

Theo Bekkers said:

Kimba said:

I'm not going to argue. Read this article.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/index.html

If you reverse the fork sliders to bring the caliper in front of the axle
wont the force on the axle then be upward.

that would make sense, but these are fasion conscious bike designers and lawyers here...
not engineers =P

cheers,

Kim

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Quoted message said:

Kimba said:

I'm not going to argue. Read this article.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/index.html

If you reverse the fork sliders to bring the caliper in front of the axle
wont the force on the axle then be upward.

Look very closely at your forks again. The drop-out on most forks is located
in front of the centre line of the stanchion/slider. Reversing the sliders
will place it behind the stanchion, producing very undesirable and
potentially dangerous steering geometry. Do NOT do this!

Had to advise a local lad once about his bike's forks that had been reversed
by whatever [censored] LBS or drop-kick friend had worked on his bike. Negative
castor = instant steering reversal if you take the hands off the bars.

Cheers
Peter

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Quoted message said:

Kimba said:

I'm not going to argue. Read this article.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/index.html

If you reverse the fork sliders to bring the caliper in front of the axle
wont the force on the axle then be upward.

Look very closely at your forks again. The drop-out on most forks is
located in front of the centre line of the stanchion/slider. Reversing the
sliders will place it behind the stanchion, producing very undesirable and
potentially dangerous steering geometry. Do NOT do this!

Had to advise a local lad once about his bike's forks that had been
reversed by whatever [censored] LBS or drop-kick friend had worked on his bike.
Negative castor = instant steering reversal if you take the hands off the
bars.

Cheers
Peter

Fork rake will mean that you'll usually still have some trail, but you're
dead right, the bike will still get noticably twitchier. How about getting
somebody suitably qualified with a TIG to move either the forks or caliper
mounts around to the other side of the slides?

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Quoted message said:

Fork rake will mean that you'll usually still have some trail, but you're
dead right, the bike will still get noticably twitchier. How about getting
somebody suitably qualified with a TIG to move either the forks or caliper
mounts around to the other side of the slides?

Nonononnonooh!!! Am I correct in saying that most suspension fork sliders
are cast, not in aluminium but in magnesium? If so, don't put a welder, TIG
or otherwise, anywhere near them.

Kabooom!

Your safest procedure is to regualarly check your front QRs. Mine get
retightened frequently when I have to put the bike in the car for transport
up the bush.

Cheers
Peter

Peter Signorini said:

"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you reverse the fork sliders to bring the caliper in front of the
axle wont the force on the axle then be upward.

Quoted message said:

Look very closely at your forks again. The drop-out on most forks is
located in front of the centre line of the stanchion/slider.
Reversing the sliders will place it behind the stanchion, producing
very undesirable and potentially dangerous steering geometry. Do NOT
do this!

The pictures I was looking at showed the drop-out on this particular fork to
be in the centre of the slider. I was suggesting from a manufacturing design
point of view it would be better to have the caliper in front of the axle..

Theo

Dunc
Happy Birthday, all part of your cunning plan to get closer to standard
time in the tt on sunday!

When I bought the Orbea from Parkers, Dennis Lightfoot said to file the
lugs down straight away. This was while I was placing the beast in the
boot of the car.
I figured it wouldn't be such a critical issue, just a few more seconds
of your life spent with the bike, certainly beats being in a cade in a
traffic jam on the Kwinana carpark.

Having only one nut on the front hub would be painful, please tell us
more.
Steven