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  1. I was riding my 20" freestyle in the club yesterday and was pretty
    pleased with recent progress - pretty solid/relaxed idling with my right
    foot, up to 12 idles with my left foot, 70% success with rolling mount
    and managing to crack the roll back mount with my 'other' foot. I felt
    that I had gained a lot of control of the uni recently.

    On the other hand, on the 29er I get on, point her straight ahead and
    ride in a straight line for a few miles.

    One question I have got is, will I be able to get the same control of
    the 29er, with practice of course? Is this a worthy/achievable goal for
    the winter months when I am more likely to [censored] half an hour in a
    deserted carpark inbetween rain showers than ride along a glorious beach
    for hours? And can I expect to do the same things - hop, idle, etc on
    the 29er as I do on the 20"? (Bearing in mind that I score in the bottom
    10% of learners in Klass Bill's learning graph thingy - ie I am slow at
    learning uni - I am balancely challenged.)

    Any comments/suggestions/tips will be greatfully recieved. Thanks.

    Cathy

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  2. cathwood said:

    One question I have got is, will I be able to get the same control of
    the 29er, with practice of course?


    No I don't think so. The 20" uni is inherently more controllable. If
    you work on more control on the 29", that will easily cross over to
    the 20". In other words, I think you will always have more control on
    the 20".

    Quoted message said:

    Is this a worthy goal (...)?


    I'm not sure. The 29" beast wants to be ridden over longish distances,
    that's where it excels. More control will never hurt, but at a certain
    point you get at skills which are just not very useful on a 29".
    Unless you venture onto new ground with your 29'er and the local
    inhabitants ask you to "do a trick".

    Quoted message said:

    And can I expect to do the same things - hop, idle, etc on
    the 29er as I do on the 20"? (Bearing in mind that I score in the bottom
    10% of learners in Klass Bill's learning graph thingy - ie I am slow at
    learning uni - I am balancely challenged.)


    Over time, you will learn to do the same things on the 29'er that you
    can now do on the 20". Provided of course that you work on them. I go
    out on the 29'er on average once per two weeks. I ride some distance
    and then upon returning home, I check if I can already idle.
    Invariably the answer is "No I still can't". I never practice it,
    except if you want to call this checking "practice", it's about two
    seconds per two weeks. I have 125 mm cranks on them, with 150 I can
    idle somewhat - longer cranks give more control.

    I score in the third 10% band on my own learning graph thingy. i.e.
    clearly below average. I think I still can learn a lot, it just takes
    longer, and I believe the same holds for you!

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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    "Unicycling is like glue: you have to stick with it, and it's not to be sniffed at - Mikefule"

  3. I am not a quick learner. Never mind graphs and that, I just know I had
    to work hard at idling for several long sessions before I could do it.
    Ditto with freemounting, reversing, and even turns in each direction.
    It seems so long ago.

    I bought my 28 with 110 mm cranks and was able to idle it with
    reasonable ease on a smooth gym floor the first time I rode it.

    With 102s, I now find it is idleable as long as I show great care.

    I have no doubt that with 150s, it would idle almost as easily as the
    20.

    A 29er is only marginally bigger than a 28 (3% bigger) but it is a bit
    heavier. So if I can do that on a 28 with 102s, then you can do that on
    a 29 with 125s, with practice.

    I don't want to get too heavily involved in the maths, but a simple
    comparison of leverage shows that if your 29er has 125mm cranks, that is
    in a sense equivalent to a 20 with 86 mm cranks. However, that simple
    comparison misses much of the story.

    You don't have a 29 to do tricks and stunts on, but to ride. The skills
    you need to be a good all round rider are freemount, ride straight, turn
    smooothly, turn sharply, stop under control, idle briefly, dismount
    neatly. Anything else is a bonus.

    The reason that idling a 29 might seem difficult is that it begs you to
    ride it far and fast. When you are simply riding far and fast, you are
    learning/practising nothing except riding. It takes a certain amount of
    self discipline to devote a few minutes of each ride to practising
    idling or mounting or reversing.

    The trick to idling a big uni is not to think of rocking backwards and
    forwards, but to think of moving in a controlled way from one position
    to another.

    Position A is wheel forward, uni just starting to tip backwards, and
    position B is wheel backwards, uni just starting to tip forwards. You
    need to "ride" smoothly from one position to the other at low speed,
    rather than simply "pumping" like you do on a 20.

    Although I blow my own trumpet a lot by writing up my adventures, there
    is abundant evidence from many witnesses in this forum that I am not a
    particularly talented rider, so if I can idle a 28, I'm 100% sure you
    can idle a 29. But it will take time and practice.

    Have fun trying. It's a skill that will improve your riding pleasure,
    not a duty, or an exam. A bit at a time. Try stopping under control
    then starting again. Get better at the idling. Always dismount of the
    back. Maybe shorten the cranks on your 20. Learn to idle the 20 one
    footed, and idling the 29 two footed will be easier.

    Good luck.

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  4. You will have the best control on the uni you practice on most. If you
    give them equal time, the 20" will be generally easier to do almost all
    "tricks" on. But everything you listed can be learned on you 29er.

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  5. ignore this. i cant delete it

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  6. My 28 is my main uni. I can ride that one best one-footed and wheel
    walking and backwards, and doing 180 hops. (Riding, hopping 180, landing
    and riding away backwards....whatever that's called.)
    I can hop up about 11 inches on the 28, and about 13 or so on the Muni,
    so although there is a difference there, it's not really significant for
    freestyle work.
    But I don't have a 20, so all my other experience is based on a 24
    crusier and a 24 Muni. But, I've been so happy with the 28 I haven't
    really felt a need to get a 20. But I will soon, because I want to be
    awesome at freestyle.

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