Lousy Old Beloki

Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

Tom Kunich said:

Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

How are you seeing the V, Tom?

-jet

In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.

And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.

Tom Kunich said:

In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.

And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.

Yeah this would probably be a good one to get. I'm surprised there are no
videos up on this anywhere. ;-/

Guess we'll have to wait until 9/18/2005 2:00 pm - 3:00 pm VUELTA A ESPANA

-jet

Jet said:

Tom Kunich said:

In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.

And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.

Yeah this would probably be a good one to get. I'm surprised there are
no videos up on this anywhere. ;-/

To me it felt more inexorable than dramatic. When Liberty Seguros went to
the front at the bottom of the last hill and started applying the pressure
the only question was would riders come off in a big split or one-by-one.
It was the latter, like death by a thousand slices. There were no big
surges, just relentless disheartening pace. Menchov was the last to drop,
at 1200 meters to go, and Heras didn't bother to put in much of an attack
at all; Menchov's legs had simply reached their limit. I only ever saw one
guy who was dropped catch back on, and that was only a delay of the
inevitable. Each of the rest had to struggle up the hill in solitary hell.

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:21:53 +0200, "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Jet said:

Tom Kunich said:

In my mind's eye through cyclingnews.com.

And of course in the World Cycling Videos to come.

Yeah this would probably be a good one to get. I'm surprised there are
no videos up on this anywhere. ;-/

To me it felt more inexorable than dramatic. When Liberty Seguros went to
the front at the bottom of the last hill and started applying the pressure
the only question was would riders come off in a big split or one-by-one.
It was the latter, like death by a thousand slices. There were no big
surges, just relentless disheartening pace. Menchov was the last to drop,
at 1200 meters to go, and Heras didn't bother to put in much of an attack
at all; Menchov's legs had simply reached their limit. I only ever saw one
guy who was dropped catch back on, and that was only a delay of the
inevitable. Each of the rest had to struggle up the hill in solitary hell.

Thanks, Robert.

BTW, very classy prose. The first part, ending with "...like death by a
thousand slices" just gave me chills.

-jet

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
climbs" comments.

From esciclismo.com:

Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el ciclista de
la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el Tour: "Las
sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía estar al nivel
que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro explicación, pero
habrá que buscarla este invierno".

<Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his Vuelta
form>

Geraard Spergen said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
climbs" comments.

From esciclismo.com:

Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el
ciclista de la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el
Tour: "Las sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía
estar al nivel que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro
explicación, pero habrá que buscarla este invierno".

<Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his
Vuelta form>

Heras is not so stupid as to say in public that he ignored his team's
instructions to peak for the Tour, IMO.

Will be interesting to see if he does the same next year with no Armstrong.

Peter

Tom Kunich said:

"Beloki does a turn on the front now. He has Heras on his wheel, and
suddenly the peloton gets very small. Good work by Beloki.

Aitor Gonzalez is dropped."

Yeah, that Beloki certainly is a terrible rider. And we're ALL sure
that he won't be able to offer a lick of help to Heras.

Regardless of who said what, it's good to see Beloki riding well.

"Geraard Spergen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
climbs" comments.

From esciclismo.com:

Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el ciclista
de
la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el Tour: "Las
sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía estar al nivel
que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro explicación, pero
habrá que buscarla este invierno".

<Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his Vuelta
form>

Not precisely - Heras was able to keep with other "normal" riders on the
less steep inclines, but he doesn't look superior until it gets really steep
such as where he dropped Menchov today.

"Heras, for his part, cannot explain his differences between the Vuelta form
and the Tour. "The sensations I had in the Tour and those here in the Vuelta
are not the same. I can't explain why but will try to study it this winter."

"Peter Allen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Geraard Spergen said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

Time to rescind your recurrent "Heras is only good on the ultra-steep
climbs" comments.

From esciclismo.com:

Heras, por otra parte, intentó explicar las diferencias entre el
ciclista de la Vuelta y el que se vio hace menos de dos meses en el
Tour: "Las sensaciones que tenía en el Tour es que mi cuerpo no podía
estar al nivel que yo pretendía, y aquí en la Vuelta sí. No encuentro
explicación, pero habrá que buscarla este invierno".

<Heras himself can't explain the difference in his Tour form vs his
Vuelta form>

Heras is not so stupid as to say in public that he ignored his team's
instructions to peak for the Tour, IMO.

Will be interesting to see if he does the same next year with no
Armstrong.

Peter

Most people are early peakers or late peakers. Many simply can't change when
it happens. Check out the guys who win all of the early races in Belgium and
see how they look the rest of the year.

"Tim Lines" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Regardless, it's good to see Beloki riding well.

Damned right. After that crash he is slowly coming back and could be the
Tour winner next year. Remember that he was almost the same sort of rider as
Ivan Basso.

Tom Kunich said:

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Quoted message said:

Heras is not so stupid as to say in public that he ignored his team's
instructions to peak for the Tour, IMO.

Will be interesting to see if he does the same next year with no
Armstrong.

Most people are early peakers or late peakers. Many simply can't
change when it happens. Check out the guys who win all of the early
races in Belgium and see how they look the rest of the year.

Yes, because they target the spring classics and train to peak at that time.
It's a simple process, you might [censored] up the first couple of years but after
that you get it right.

Are you really trying to say that for the last few years Heras has tried to
peak for the Tour, failed every time and accidentally been on peak form for
the Vuelta? He didn't ever think to try shifting his last year's training
programme six weeks back?

I can do you a really good deal on a nice bridge, you know you want it...

Peter

Quoted message said:

Yes, because they target the spring classics and train to peak at that time.
It's a simple process, you might [censored] up the first couple of years but after
that you get it right.

With Viagra, you can [censored] up whenever you wish.

--
critAMATEUR

Tim Lines said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, it's good to see Beloki riding well.

Tom Kunich said:

Damned right. After that crash he is slowly coming back and could be the
Tour winner next year. Remember that he was almost the same sort of rider as
Ivan Basso.

He'll have to work on getting his confidence back on the descents though.

Tom Kunich said:

Heras looks like a God on the climbs! Why couldn't he be this
spectacular in the Tour?

How about le Tour will rarely be won by anybody but
a strongman rider in the future, because every rider
and every team is chasing the big publicity event, that
the race is ridden so fast right from the very first
minute that it hurts the legs of the mountain goats
even if they do stay in the peloton on the flats.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's a simple process, you might [censored] up the first couple of years but after
that you get it right.

With Viagra, you can [censored] up whenever you wish.

Real pros don't need no stinkin' viagra.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/b32a15441d4d3d25

--
E. Dronkert

Donald Munro said:

Tim Lines said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, it's good to see Beloki riding well.

Tom Kunich said:

Damned right. After that crash he is slowly coming back and could be the
Tour winner next year. Remember that he was almost the same sort of rider as
Ivan Basso.

He'll have to work on getting his confidence back on the descents though.

He should talk to Bettini. That man is demented.