GI diet suggestion

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and
:> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out

I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it.
Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight is
not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything you're
doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to learn that
from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some version of LC
before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.

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Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and
:> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out

I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it.
Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight is
not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything
you're doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to
learn that from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some
version of LC before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.

it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours,
etc

Crystal said:

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Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and
:> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out

I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it.
Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight is
not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything
you're doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to
learn that from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some
version of LC before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.

it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours,
etc

Nope, it's not low-carb. There are carbs, but they're "good" carbs. No
refined sugars, white flour, or processed high-carb foods. These foods
are easily digested by your system and high levels of sugars are
released into the bloodstream. According the author, if these sugars
aren't burned off, they'll be stored as fat. Your primary fuel tends
to be sugars instead of the fat you want to burn off. The "green
light" foods that are part of the plan (whole wheat bread, good-carb
foods) take time to be digested by your system, releasing sugars more
slowly into your bloodstream. Less sugar means your body will need to
use fat as fuel.

I think you need to find a diet that works for you. Atkins/LC is a
proven way to lose weight, as is SB, the GI Diet, and others.
Personally, I think GI is healthier than a high protein/fat diet. It's
certainly easier to follow for me.

Here's what I'm having today (keep in mind I eat small portions):

Breakfast: bowl of All Bran cereal, Splenda and skim milk, 0 fat no
added sugar yogurt (100g)

Snack: Orange bran muffin (recipe in the GI Diet book)

Lunch: 1/2 turkey breast sandwich with lettuce and mustard, sliced
cucumbers and tomatoes, apple, water

Snack: probably al All Bran bar

Supper: Chicken stirfry on whole wheat penne pasta or brown rice (3/4
of a cereal bowl), strawberries, yogurt

Snack: 10 almonds

Eating in a bowl helps me control portion size, and I only have 1
helping/serving. I eat at the table instead of the television. This
doesn't feel like dieting. I've lost the taste and desire for the
chips, ice cream, cheeseburgers and fries, hot chicken sandwiches and
candy bars that used to be staple foods for me. I'll still have them
on "cheat meals", but even then I eat small portions and make wiser
choices. For example, I love pizza, so a cheat meal would be ordering
a 9" pizza with a whole wheat crust, lots of veggies and 1 meat
ingredient, and splitting it with my wife. All of our cheat meals are
eaten for lunch so we still have a good part of the day to burn it
off.

We (my wife and I) eat varied, healthy and satisfying foods, and eat a
little often. Last night while eating fajitas, my wife said, "this is
so good! I can't believe this is diet food". Keep in mind that
exercise is essential. 8.5 pounds lost in a week works for me. I know
that weight loss will level off, but what a great start! I'm down a
notch in my belt too.

Kevin

Kevin said:

Crystal said:

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Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and
:> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out

I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it.
Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight is
not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything
you're doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to
learn that from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some
version of LC before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.

it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours,
etc

Nope, it's not low-carb. There are carbs, but they're "good" carbs. No
refined sugars, white flour, or processed high-carb foods. These foods
are easily digested by your system and high levels of sugars are
released into the bloodstream. According the author, if these sugars
aren't burned off, they'll be stored as fat. Your primary fuel tends
to be sugars instead of the fat you want to burn off. The "green
light" foods that are part of the plan (whole wheat bread, good-carb
foods) take time to be digested by your system, releasing sugars more
slowly into your bloodstream. Less sugar means your body will need to
use fat as fuel.

I think you need to find a diet that works for you. Atkins/LC is a
proven way to lose weight, as is SB, the GI Diet, and others.
Personally, I think GI is healthier than a high protein/fat diet. It's
certainly easier to follow for me.

Here's what I'm having today (keep in mind I eat small portions):

Breakfast: bowl of All Bran cereal, Splenda and skim milk, 0 fat no
added sugar yogurt (100g)

Snack: Orange bran muffin (recipe in the GI Diet book)

Lunch: 1/2 turkey breast sandwich with lettuce and mustard, sliced
cucumbers and tomatoes, apple, water

Snack: probably al All Bran bar

Supper: Chicken stirfry on whole wheat penne pasta or brown rice (3/4
of a cereal bowl), strawberries, yogurt

Snack: 10 almonds

Eating in a bowl helps me control portion size, and I only have 1
helping/serving. I eat at the table instead of the television. This
doesn't feel like dieting. I've lost the taste and desire for the
chips, ice cream, cheeseburgers and fries, hot chicken sandwiches and
candy bars that used to be staple foods for me. I'll still have them
on "cheat meals", but even then I eat small portions and make wiser
choices. For example, I love pizza, so a cheat meal would be ordering
a 9" pizza with a whole wheat crust, lots of veggies and 1 meat
ingredient, and splitting it with my wife. All of our cheat meals are
eaten for lunch so we still have a good part of the day to burn it
off.

We (my wife and I) eat varied, healthy and satisfying foods, and eat a
little often. Last night while eating fajitas, my wife said, "this is
so good! I can't believe this is diet food". Keep in mind that
exercise is essential. 8.5 pounds lost in a week works for me. I know
that weight loss will level off, but what a great start! I'm down a
notch in my belt too.

Kevin

Sounds like a low-fat low-carb plan. Not very wise. You need the fats.

TC

TC's a great source of fats.
Try him.

Roger Zoul said:

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and
:> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out

I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it.
Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight is
not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything you're
doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to learn that
from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some version of LC
before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.

As I recall from the previous thread of the OP, she hadn't actually
invested in a book for any plan and had merely learned the diet from
the website. Atkins with fat had worked for her, but now she was taking
Doctor's advice, and keeping fat low (which in my experience is a
recipe for unhappy times without carbs).

Since she has minimal investment in any particular plan, I think it is
best for the OP to go, get a book out of the library (regardless of the
plan) and commit to making it work. I think LC works best, but if GI is
where she wants to be because she can square it with the doc, at least
she's going to get a plan and hopefully stick to it.

It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on this,"
but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school and
practice that a real doc has. I am not saying that many doctors aren't
backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of
uncredentialed strangers tell you to ignore your doctor.

Hollywood, whose friend, the doctor, was the one who recommended Atkins
in the first place.

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TC's a great source of fats.
Try him.

Are you going to add anything to the discussion or are you just going
to follow me around like a rabid little dog? I'm flattered, but it
would be interesting to see if you could show other behaviors other
just than being a troll.

TC

Max Hollywood Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy
:>> :> and
:>> :> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it
:>> :> out
:>>
:>> I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to
:>> it. Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost
:>> any weight is not a good idea. You simply need to pay more
:>> attention to everything you're doing. If not, then you'll be
:>> starting on a new plan, having to learn that from ground zero, and
:>> fumbling around with it. You did some version of LC before, you
:>> can do it again now. Just hang tight.
:>
:> As I recall from the previous thread of the OP, she hadn't actually
:> invested in a book for any plan and had merely learned the diet from
:> the website. Atkins with fat had worked for her, but now she was
:> taking Doctor's advice, and keeping fat low (which in my experience
:> is a
:> recipe for unhappy times without carbs).
:>
:> Since she has minimal investment in any particular plan, I think it
:> is
:> best for the OP to go, get a book out of the library (regardless of
:> the plan) and commit to making it work. I think LC works best, but
:> if GI is where she wants to be because she can square it with the
:> doc, at least
:> she's going to get a plan and hopefully stick to it.

But she stuck to whatever version of low carb she was doing and lost weight
successfully. And, as I recall, she stated that she enjoyed it.

:>
:> It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on
:> this,"

It's not only easy, it's mostly very true, too.

:> but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school and
:> practice that a real doc has.

Years of school and practice at doing what? Helping patients lose weight or
understanding & prescribing medications?

I am not saying that many doctors
:> aren't backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of
:> uncredentialed strangers tell you to ignore your doctor.

A tough sell to whom? The OP? Well, the OP is obviously free to do as she
pleases, but if she really believes that a doctor, who will spend perhaps 15
minutes talking with her per visit at most, then it's a sad day....

People really do need to start studying on their own and not putting their
life totally within the hands of any person. Doctors are people too
(meaning the are far from perfect) and few of them stay current on
nutritional info...I would go as far as to say that most doctors are
"uncredentialed strangers" to their patients as far as nutrition is
concerned.

:>
:> Hollywood, whose friend, the doctor, was the one who recommended
:> Atkins
:> in the first place.

Roger Zoul said:

Max Hollywood Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

But she stuck to whatever version of low carb she was doing and lost weight
successfully. And, as I recall, she stated that she enjoyed it.

But was doing it very differently from the way she is today. When she
lost the 30, she was eating more fat. She is now afraid of eating fat
due to media induced "Culture of Fear" reinforced by her Doctor, who we
can agree is probably not a weight loss specialist with a ton of
experience in helping patients to lose weight.

Quoted message said:

:>
:> It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on
:> this,"

It's not only easy, it's mostly very true, too.

No argument here on that. Clearly, it is an area where there has been a
sea change in thought over the past ten years, making a lot of docs out
of date.

Quoted message said:

:> but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school and
:> practice that a real doc has.

Years of school and practice at doing what? Helping patients lose weight or
understanding & prescribing medications?

My point is that a doctor is:
1- Someone who went to school for a while to learn about the body and
the maintenance or repair of such
2- Someone you actually meet, face to face

A group of people on the interenet are largely not those. I'm not
saying that the people on the internet are wrong when they suggest that
so-and-so's doc is out of date, but that it's probably kind of hard for
the recipient of that advice to swallow, considering the source.
Especially someone relatively new to the group, who doesn't know the
group members at all.

Quoted message said:

I am not saying that many doctors
:> aren't backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of
:> uncredentialed strangers tell you to ignore your doctor.

A tough sell to whom? The OP? Well, the OP is obviously free to do as she
pleases, but if she really believes that a doctor, who will spend perhaps 15
minutes talking with her per visit at most, then it's a sad day....

People really do need to start studying on their own and not putting their
life totally within the hands of any person. Doctors are people too
(meaning the are far from perfect) and few of them stay current on
nutritional info...I would go as far as to say that most doctors are
"uncredentialed strangers" to their patients as far as nutrition is
concerned.

I would not contradict anything you have written. I definitely agree
that people need to be active students of their health. But fact is, if
you are not well, the general population would see a doctor. Not that
the doctor is the person best qualified to help on this, but that the
doctor has that veneer of knowledge that makes it not so easy to just
say "My doctor is an idiot. I know because someone with the handle
Roger Zoul or OmManiPadmeOmelet said so."

This isn't the only poster who has been told that their doc is a moron,
and probably won't be the last. She probably also isn't the first to
push back against that idea and probably won't be the last either. Just
trying to shed a little light on why that is. No argument that your GP
is probably not the person to help you lose weight (though you might
wanna get your bloodwork done with one, because it's hard running the
tri-glycerides test at home ;-)

Max Hollywood Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> Max Hollywood Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>
:>> But she stuck to whatever version of low carb she was doing and
:>> lost weight successfully. And, as I recall, she stated that she
:>> enjoyed it.
:>
:> But was doing it very differently from the way she is today. When she
:> lost the 30, she was eating more fat. She is now afraid of eating fat
:> due to media induced "Culture of Fear" reinforced by her Doctor, who
:> we
:> can agree is probably not a weight loss specialist with a ton of
:> experience in helping patients to lose weight.
:>
:>> :>
:>> :> It's very easy for people here to say, "Your doctor is stupid on
:>> :> this,"
:>>
:>> It's not only easy, it's mostly very true, too.
:>
:> No argument here on that. Clearly, it is an area where there has
:> been a
:> sea change in thought over the past ten years, making a lot of docs
:> out
:> of date.
:>
:>> :> but it's a tough sell, because few here have the years of school
:>> :> and practice that a real doc has.
:>>
:>> Years of school and practice at doing what? Helping patients lose
:>> weight or understanding & prescribing medications?
:>
:> My point is that a doctor is:
:> 1- Someone who went to school for a while to learn about the body and
:> the maintenance or repair of such
:> 2- Someone you actually meet, face to face
:>
:> A group of people on the interenet are largely not those. I'm not
:> saying that the people on the internet are wrong when they suggest
:> that so-and-so's doc is out of date, but that it's probably kind of
:> hard for
:> the recipient of that advice to swallow, considering the source.
:> Especially someone relatively new to the group, who doesn't know the
:> group members at all.
:>
:>> I am not saying that many doctors
:>> :> aren't backwards on this, but it is a tough sell when a bunch of
:>> :> uncredentialed strangers tell you to ignore your doctor.
:>>
:>> A tough sell to whom? The OP? Well, the OP is obviously free to
:>> do as she pleases, but if she really believes that a doctor, who
:>> will spend perhaps 15 minutes talking with her per visit at most,
:>> then it's a sad day....
:>>
:>> People really do need to start studying on their own and not
:>> putting their life totally within the hands of any person. Doctors
:>> are people too (meaning the are far from perfect) and few of them
:>> stay current on nutritional info...I would go as far as to say that
:>> most doctors are "uncredentialed strangers" to their patients as
:>> far as nutrition is concerned.
:>
:> I would not contradict anything you have written. I definitely agree
:> that people need to be active students of their health. But fact is,
:> if
:> you are not well, the general population would see a doctor. Not that
:> the doctor is the person best qualified to help on this, but that the
:> doctor has that veneer of knowledge that makes it not so easy to just
:> say "My doctor is an idiot. I know because someone with the handle
:> Roger Zoul or OmManiPadmeOmelet said so."
:>
:> This isn't the only poster who has been told that their doc is a
:> moron,
:> and probably won't be the last. She probably also isn't the first to
:> push back against that idea and probably won't be the last either.
:> Just trying to shed a little light on why that is. No argument that
:> your GP
:> is probably not the person to help you lose weight (though you might
:> wanna get your bloodwork done with one, because it's hard running the
:> tri-glycerides test at home ;-)

But Max, you have forgotton one important point: information is easy for
anyone to come by. None need take my word nor OmManiPadmeOmelet (oh my!)
word....just get on the net and read MD after MD and MD after MD (as many of
us here have done)....Would you consider them "uncredentialed strangers"?

Roger Zoul wrote:
<mass deletia insanity>

Quoted message said:

But Max, you have forgotton one important point: information is easy for
anyone to come by. None need take my word nor OmManiPadmeOmelet (oh my!)
word....just get on the net and read MD after MD and MD after MD (as many of
us here have done)....Would you consider them "uncredentialed strangers"?

Coming to knowledge on one's own is the best way, imho. Definitely
agree. OP should get a book for a diet she is willing to do, and use
the tools available to research it. If that is Atkins, glory to the
dearly departed doc. If it's GI, I wish her success as well. But
whatever it is, it'd be best if she came to that knowledge through her
own research. If the "Your doctor is denser than undercooked daikon on
nutrition" crowd sparks that, so much the better.

Hollywood, who would never suggest anyone get less good information

Max Hollywood Harris <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:> <mass deletia insanity>
:>
:>> But Max, you have forgotton one important point: information is
:>> easy for anyone to come by. None need take my word nor
:>> OmManiPadmeOmelet (oh my!) word....just get on the net and read MD
:>> after MD and MD after MD (as many of us here have done)....Would
:>> you consider them "uncredentialed strangers"?
:>
:> Coming to knowledge on one's own is the best way, imho. Definitely
:> agree. OP should get a book for a diet she is willing to do, and use
:> the tools available to research it. If that is Atkins, glory to the
:> dearly departed doc. If it's GI, I wish her success as well. But
:> whatever it is, it'd be best if she came to that knowledge through
:> her
:> own research. If the "Your doctor is denser than undercooked daikon
:> on nutrition" crowd sparks that, so much the better.
:>
:> Hollywood, who would never suggest anyone get less good information

One can be lead down a path....guided...still doing one's own reading..and
learning all the while. if left to one's own devices, one might just listen
to the loudest (or closest) voice....

Nope.
Not rabid either, TC.

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Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> to the person who suggested the G.I. Diet, my library has a copy and
:> I put in a request for them to hold it for me so I can check it out

I think that since you come this far with LC, you should stick to it.
Switching now for no other reason than that you haven't lost any weight

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not a good idea. You simply need to pay more attention to everything
you're doing. If not, then you'll be starting on a new plan, having to
learn that from ground zero, and fumbling around with it. You did some
version of LC before, you can do it again now. Just hang tight.

it sounds as those the GI is a form of low carb. no? no sugars, flours,
etc

I recently read an Australian version of the GI Diet, which basicly gives
the choice between protein meals or carb meals, but prescribes the minimum
number of hours you must wait between switching between the two (5 hours
after carbs before protein, 3 hours after protein before carbs). The protein
meals are the same as meals I eat on Low Carb, consisting of protein, fat
and low GI veg (also low carb). The carb meals are low GI carbs with low GI
veg, but cannot include fat. Neither include added sugar or starches. On
days when eating carb meals, fruit can be included as between meal snacks,
but on protein days snacks are protein based.