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  1. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/08/25/MNGCKECSOA1.DTL

    FDA ponders leeches, maggots, old remedies making a comeback
    Gardiner Harris, New York Times

    Thursday, August 25, 2005

    Washington -- Flesh-eating maggots and bloodsucking leeches were once
    the tools of medieval doctors and shamans. But they have experienced a
    quiet renaissance among high-tech surgeons, and for two days beginning
    today, a federal advisory board will discuss how to regulate them.

    Leeches, it turns out, are particularly good at draining excess blood
    from surgically reattached or transplanted appendages. As microsurgeons
    tackle feats like reattaching hands, scalps and even faces, leeches
    have become indispensable.

    Maggots clean festering wounds that fail to heal, as happens among
    diabetics, better than almost anything in use, although the use of
    maggots in the United States has been slight, in part because of
    squeamishness.

    But neither leeches nor maggots, despite their long histories of use,
    have ever been subject to thorough regulation by the Food and Drug
    Administration. So the medical advisers are being asked to create
    general guidelines about how they should be safely grown, transported
    and sold.

    The meeting could be one of the last of its kind.

    Since 1976, the agency has required that makers of medical devices
    prove that their products are safe and effective. Those already on the
    market had to prove their worth; those invented later had to get
    approval before marketing.

    But there are unexplored corners of the nation's medical market -- no
    one knows how many, but they are certainly a vanishing few -- in which
    doctors and manufacturers have been doing business since well before
    1976 without much notice from the FDA. The making of maggots, leeches
    and bone wax, another oddity being discussed, is one of those corners.
    Bone wax -- made from beeswax, olive oil and phenol -- is commonly used
    by surgeons to stop bones from bleeding or reknitting.

    Officials first had to decide which part of the agency had oversight --
    its biological or device division, said Mark Melkerson, acting director
    of the FDA's division of general, restorative and neurological devices.

    "The primary mode of action for maggots is chewing," Melkerson
    explained. "For leeches, it's the eating of blood. Those are mechanical
    processes." Thus, the agency decided that maggots and leeches were
    devices, he said.

    For centuries, physicians used leeches in the mistaken view that they
    would help balance a patient's body fluids, or "humors." George
    Washington is said to have died after physicians used leeches to drain
    him of quarts of blood during an illness. With the development of
    modern medicine, leeches fell out of favor.

    But in the 1970s, leeches again became popular, this time with
    microsurgeons.

    When reattaching or transplanting an appendage, these surgeons are
    often able to stitch together arteries, which deliver blood to the
    appendage and are thick-walled and relatively easy to suture. Far
    harder is finding and attaching veins, which collect blood for exit and
    are smaller and more fragile.

    With few veins connected, blood tends to engorge the new attachment
    after surgery, clot, turn blue and -- in the worst cases -- kill it,
    said Dr. L. Scott Levin, a Duke University hand surgeon. To buy time
    for the body to create its own venous attachments, surgeons use
    leeches.

    Leeches inject victims with a potent chemical cocktail that includes an
    anticoagulant, an anesthetic, an antibiotic and a chemical that dilates
    blood vessels. This cocktail encourages fast bleeding to empty the
    appendage of extra blood, reducing pressure and allowing veins to form
    on their own.

    In 20 minutes, a leech is usually engorged and removed. Bleeding from
    the wound may continue for up to 24 hours. If an appendage is large,
    several leeches are sometimes used at once, said Levin.

    "I'll use one to three leeches every couple of hours," Levin said.

    As for maggots, they are unparalleled in their ability to clean
    festering, gangrenous wounds. For diabetics and others whose wounds
    fail to heal, maggots -- pressed into dying flesh -- can save a limb
    and speed healing.

    Primitive tribes from Australia, the Hill Peoples of Northern Burma and
    the Mayans of Central America were known to use maggots to clean
    wounds. Napoleon's surgeon in chief noted their effects. During World
    War I, a physician described seeing two soldiers who had been left
    wounded on the battlefield for days. When they took off their clothes,
    thousands of maggots were found in their wounds. Once the maggots were
    removed, the physician was astonished to find clean, pink, living
    flesh. This doctor, William Baer of Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,
    became maggots' modern medical champion.

    ***

    Their oversight of food and drugs has led us to a state where obesity
    and disease is becoming overwelming and all they can come up with is
    this kind of BS.

    TC

  2. One of the biggest problems in the making of "medicine" today is the
    focus on inhibitors of arachidonic acid metabolism (for example, COX-2
    inhibitors and allergy medication aimed at blocking the formation of
    certain kinds of LTs). This will always fail, though temporary
    "benefits" are always possible, and often mostly psychological. The
    reason is that arachidonic acid is so unstable and dangerous (and I've
    cited scientific papers here that are right on point on this issue)
    that blocking one pathway only leads to another one, though the
    "disease" can be changed in some cases (sometimes to a more dangerous
    condition). It's like a dam that is falling apart - you can plug a
    hole, but the problem is that it's not strong enough to hold the water
    for more than a short while. Arachidonic acid is much too powerful for
    the human body to handle, except for trace amounts. When you eat too
    much omega 6 PUFAs (usually in the form of linoleic acid, which oils
    such as safflower are very high in), you force your body to make the
    arachidonic acid. "Alternative remedies" often attempt to do the same
    thing that the medication does, but again, the problem is not that your
    body just "gets sick" for no reason, but that it is a condition of
    arachidonic acid overload, which is made even worse by iron overload,
    vitamin/mineral deficiencies, etc. But because Holman and a few others
    kept pushing the ludicrous notion of "essential fatty acids" and then
    the seed oil industry caught wind of it (so that now they sell the
    stuff for much more than they used to as "supplements"😉, things are
    worse than they have ever been, which is why you hear reports of all
    the "epidemics" of "chronic disease." The rise of these "epidemics"
    coincides perfectly with the rise in highly polyunsaturated foods and
    the drop in the consumption of highly unsaturated foods (on the
    mistaken notion that cholesterol causes "heart disease" when in fact
    only oxidation can do that, and saturated fatty acids actually resist
    oxidation in the dangerous form - lipid peroxdiation). Pack you body
    with saturated fatty acids and don't worry about cholesterol levels -
    just stay away from the dangerous foods (use butter and coconut oil as
    fat sources, and don't cook food with cholesterol in it while exposed
    to air - steaming appears to be especially bad).

  3. TC said:

    Officials first had to decide which part of the agency had oversight --
    its biological or device division, said Mark Melkerson, acting director
    of the FDA's division of general, restorative and neurological devices.

    "The primary mode of action for maggots is chewing," Melkerson
    explained. "For leeches, it's the eating of blood. Those are mechanical
    processes." Thus, the agency decided that maggots and leeches were
    devices, he said.

    COMMENT:

    Sheesh, the FDA's reputation for incompetence remains intact, since
    they didn't even get the mechanical MECHANISM right for maggots.
    Maggots don't chew. They spit out digestive enzymes like spiders, than
    suck up the liquid remaining. Live tissue is simply resistant to this
    kind of digestion because the blood inactivates these enzymes or
    carries them away. <Sigh>. Will the FDA EVER know WTF they're
    doing???

    SBH

  4. If something works, go with it.

    Jeff

  5. So, presumably, the drug companies could develop a mix of enzymes to be
    applied to wounds instead of the maggots....

    "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    TC said:

    Officials first had to decide which part of the agency had oversight --
    its biological or device division, said Mark Melkerson, acting director
    of the FDA's division of general, restorative and neurological devices.

    "The primary mode of action for maggots is chewing," Melkerson
    explained. "For leeches, it's the eating of blood. Those are mechanical
    processes." Thus, the agency decided that maggots and leeches were
    devices, he said.

    COMMENT:

    Sheesh, the FDA's reputation for incompetence remains intact, since
    they didn't even get the mechanical MECHANISM right for maggots.
    Maggots don't chew. They spit out digestive enzymes like spiders, than
    suck up the liquid remaining. Live tissue is simply resistant to this
    kind of digestion because the blood inactivates these enzymes or
    carries them away. <Sigh>. Will the FDA EVER know WTF they're
    doing???

    SBH

  6. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If something works, go with it.

    Jeff

    They have to regulate it and tax first and then the price goes up.
    That's when natural health alternatives comes in and starts selling
    holistically grown, mercury free, all natural maggots feed on mad cow
    disease free beef in all the natural food stores. The price goes up again.

  7. Cubit said:

    So, presumably, the drug companies could develop a mix of enzymes to be
    applied to wounds instead of the maggots....

    Absolutely.

    In 1990 you could buy GHB in any good health food store for about a
    dollar a gram. Then it got branded a date rape drug, then outlawed and
    classed with LSD and Heroin, then finally FDA-approved as a narcolepsy
    drug. Now you can buy it in solution as "Xyrem" in the same drug class
    as codeine, for 10 times the price that it once sold for. Progress!

    THC is now sold in capsules for cancer patients. But it's expansive.
    One day they'll genetically engineer the genes to make it in some
    plant. Maybe even into a weed. Who knows what Monsanto may come up with
    next? And self-igniting microturbo inhalant delivery systems for THC
    are in the works, too.

    Once we get all these tissue eating enzymes all cloned and made by
    bacteria, we're going to need a delivery system for them, as well.
    Maybe the pharm companies can build small robot delibery vehicles that
    will actually crawl into a wound and squirt them where they're needed.
    In the future, anything's possible.

    SBH

  8. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If something works, go with it.

    Jeff

    They have to regulate it and tax first and then the price goes up.

    Actually, the FDA doesn't tax anything.

    Quoted message said:

    That's when natural health alternatives comes in and starts selling
    holistically grown, mercury free, all natural maggots feed on mad cow
    disease free beef in all the natural food stores. The price goes up again.

    The regulation that the FDA does ensures that drugs work and are safe, and
    that they are of high quality.

    A large part of the price goes to pay for drugs' development.

    If you don't like it, don't buy drugs.

    Jeff

  9. Jeff said:

    If something works, go with it.

    Or if something doesn't work, stay away from it.

    That is why since dairy (including cow's milk) products is
    difficult for humans to digest, I stay away from dairy (& cow's milk)
    products. And thus I also stay away from strep throats; lung congestion;
    and common colds.

  10. Jeff said:

    If you don't like it, don't buy drugs.

    Which is what I do. I have not used a pharm drug in ten years
    since I deleted dairy (& cow's milk) products from my diet.

  11. "George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:

    If you don't like it, don't buy drugs.

    Which is what I do. I have not used a pharm drug in ten years
    since I deleted dairy (& cow's milk) products from my diet.

    I stay away from conmed (conjecture based medicine, aka alternative
    medicine), and I rarely get sick. And, I drink cow milk.

    This just goes to show the plural of anecdote is not data.

    Jeff

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