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  1. I own an old cheap Bianchi Premio. Steel, steel fork, clips, down tube
    shifters, state-of-the-art it's not...

    I'm 6' 5", 185 lbs.

    Recovering from both Cancer and a nasty bike wreck. (Ribs/Collar
    Bone/Collapsed Lung)

    Currently, my avg speed is about 15 MPH over 20-30 miles, with top speed
    around 30-32.

    Here's the guessing part:

    I may buy a used Bianchi Veloce. Carbon Fork, clipless, Campy Veloce,
    etc.

    Any guesses as to my avg and max speed???

    Also, any thoughts on this bike? I think it's about two or three years
    old. Excellent condition.

    Thanks so much for any help/suggestions/input.

    -Bob

  2. The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new feel but
    your speed won't change.

    "Hell and High Water" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I own an old cheap Bianchi Premio. Steel, steel fork, clips, down tube
    shifters, state-of-the-art it's not...

    I'm 6' 5", 185 lbs.

    Recovering from both Cancer and a nasty bike wreck. (Ribs/Collar
    Bone/Collapsed Lung)

    Currently, my avg speed is about 15 MPH over 20-30 miles, with top speed
    around 30-32.

    Here's the guessing part:

    I may buy a used Bianchi Veloce. Carbon Fork, clipless, Campy Veloce,
    etc.

    Any guesses as to my avg and max speed???

    Also, any thoughts on this bike? I think it's about two or three years
    old. Excellent condition.

    Thanks so much for any help/suggestions/input.

    -Bob

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new feel but
    your speed won't change.

    I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is ME!!!

    So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    Thanks for the note!

    -Bob

  4. Hell and High Water wrote:
    :: In article <[email hidden]>,
    :: [email hidden] says...
    ::
    ::
    ::: The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new
    ::: feel but your speed won't change.
    ::
    ::
    :: I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is ME!!!
    ::
    :: So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    Do you need to lose any weight?

    ::
    ::
    ::
    :: Thanks for the note!
    ::
    :: -Bob

  5. Hell and High Water said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new feel but
    your speed won't change.

    I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is ME!!!

    So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    Thanks for the note!

    -Bob

    (*)1. Stop what you are now doing to sabotage your training. ;-)
    2. Browse Joel Friel's books at the local bookstore.

    jj
    (*)(ps, we all do it)

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    Hell and High Water wrote:
    :: In article <[email hidden]>,
    :: [email hidden] says...
    ::
    ::
    ::: The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new
    ::: feel but your speed won't change.
    ::
    ::
    :: I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is ME!!!
    ::
    :: So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    Do you need to lose any weight?

    6' 5"

    185 lbs

    I guess I could lose a bit....

    -Bob

  7. Hell and High Water wrote:
    :: In article <[email hidden]>,
    :: [email hidden] says...
    ::: Hell and High Water wrote:
    ::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
    ::::: [email hidden] says...
    :::::
    :::::
    :::::: The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new
    :::::: feel but your speed won't change.
    :::::
    :::::
    ::::: I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is ME!!!
    :::::
    ::::: So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?
    :::
    ::: Do you need to lose any weight?
    ::
    :: 6' 5"
    ::
    :: 185 lbs
    ::
    :: I guess I could lose a bit....
    ::

    Hmm....you might want to train harder 🙂

  8. On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:59:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Hell and High Water wrote:
    :: In article <[email hidden]>,
    :: [email hidden] says...
    ::: Hell and High Water wrote:
    ::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
    ::::: [email hidden] says...
    :::::
    :::::
    :::::: The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new
    :::::: feel but your speed won't change.
    :::::
    :::::
    ::::: I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is ME!!!
    :::::
    ::::: So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?
    :::
    ::: Do you need to lose any weight?
    ::
    :: 6' 5"
    ::
    :: 185 lbs
    ::
    :: I guess I could lose a bit....
    ::

    Hmm....you might want to train harder 🙂

    That's kind of an abrupt way to put it, bro, particularly since the OP
    noted he's recovering from Cancer and a nasty bike wreck. ;-) [Though I was
    terse in my recommendation also.]

    Might have been better to say that for 6'5, 185 is a good weight for
    cycling.

    With 15mph over a 25mile course on the flats(?), and a top speed of 30-32
    that's decent depending on your goals. You would be well able to ride with
    Group B rides. So define your goals.

    The answer may be to go ride with some Group B riders and try to hang in
    there, at the same time take care of yourself and don't ramp up too fast.
    The improvement comes during sleep, not during riding. ;-)

    Ramping up too fast might be considered self-sabotage, but it would be
    unintentional. Other examples may be skipping rides, not getting sufficient
    sleep, failing to replenish muscle stores after long rides, failing to
    drink enough water. Practice power (hill repeats), as well as cadence
    (spinning at 10rpm higher than you're doing now, if possible), make sure
    you're doing some base work, and doing active recovery.

    Joel Friel's books are good - are you in your 40s or 50s? If then browse
    his 'Cycling over 50', as well as his 'Training Bible'. They're not cheap,
    but they are both good reads.

    I babble incessantly about this [censored] b/c that's what I'm trying to do now
    too. I think it's a phase where a beginner/intermediate obsesses about
    training and fails to have fun on the bike as much as they should. If
    training isn't fun, then immediately -have fun- (that's an order!) LOL.

    HTH,

    jj

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    That's kind of an abrupt way to put it, bro, particularly since the OP
    noted he's recovering from Cancer and a nasty bike wreck. ;-) [Though I was
    terse in my recommendation also.]

    LOL! No problemo....

    Quoted message said:


    Might have been better to say that for 6'5, 185 is a good weight for
    cycling.

    I'm not exactly a tub-o-lard.

    Quoted message said:


    With 15mph over a 25mile course on the flats(?), and a top speed of 30-32
    that's decent depending on your goals. You would be well able to ride with
    Group B rides. So define your goals.

    You don't know how good that makes me feel!!

    25 miles with a few hills here and there.

    What exactly is a 'Group B rider'??

    I'm so ignorant at this point, it's really comical...

    I appreciate all your comments, and only one more question: What's the
    best way to 'replenish muscle stores after long rides'??

    Again, thanks so much!

    -Bob

  10. Hell and High Water said:


    What exactly is a 'Group B rider'??

    My club defines the ride categories on this page:

    http://www.mtn.org/tcbc/key.html

    My impression is that our key is fairly standard, but others should
    certainly feel free to correct me.

    Good luck!

    Reid

  11. Hell and High Water said:
    Quoted message said:

    With 15mph over a 25mile course on the flats(?), and a top speed of 30-32
    that's decent depending on your goals. You would be well able to ride with
    Group B rides. So define your goals.

    You don't know how good that makes me feel!!

    25 miles with a few hills here and there.

    If your bike computer says 15.x mph Avg Speed on a course with two or three
    300 yd hills with a grade of say 4-6% then that is very good, depending on
    your goals, age group, and the fact that you're a larger rider. At 6'5" you
    probably have long femur bones (mechanical advantage?), but I'm just musing
    here. There are plenty of >5'11, 185lb riders who motor along without much
    trouble, Magnus Backstedt is one. (Pro rider from Sweden)

    Quoted message said:

    What exactly is a 'Group B rider'??

    I'm so ignorant at this point, it's really comical...

    Amateur and Pro cyclists who race are divided up into Classes, 5, 4, 3, 2,
    1 for Amateur, with those racing Class 1 being very very good. They have
    licenses which permit them to ride and be rated, etc.

    Recreational riders ride Group A, B, C and D rides. They go on 'fun rides',
    and will sponsor longer rides called 'Centuries' (100miles), and shorter
    rides (25 mile, 50 mile and 'metric' centuries 62.5 miles). These are
    supported rides with entrie fees and periodic support stops with food and
    fluid.

    Which 'Group' as far as 'average speed' really depends on your location.
    Group A rides on the flats would be faster speeds and longer distances.
    Group A rides in the Rocky Mountains, or highly competitive areas might
    require faster speeds. Here's one, chosen at random:

    http://www.oakvillecc.com/briskpacerides.shtml

    Here's the blurb for 'easy pace rides', which would typically be group C&D
    group rides:

    "The main group of each ride will ride at a springtime distances of 50-80
    km, at speeds averaging 22-25 km/h. Most rides start outside Oakville and
    head for the countryside. As the season progresses and everybody gets
    fitter, then distances will increase to 60-100 km at speeds averaging 25-30
    km/h at a brisk pace. Rides are generally scheduled as 9:00 a.m. starts
    from late April to early October."

    C and D rides mean that no one gets dropped, usually have one to three rest
    stops.

    Here's one for the flatlands of Tidewater:
    A = 19 to 21 mph (with very few stops),
    B = 16 to 18 mph,
    C = 13 to 15 mph, and
    D = 10 to 12 mph (with plenty of stops).

    http://www.tbarides.org/Ride%20Schedule.htm

    Note that though B has 16-18 mph average speed, they will typically be
    seeing lots of 19-22mph on their speedometers, but due to slowing for
    intersections and soforth, the final average speed is about 3mph slower.

    Since you're getting 15mph on a course with hills, you'd easily fit into
    the Tidewater 'B' group, imo. That's about where I hope to be next spring.

    Quoted message said:

    I appreciate all your comments, and only one more question: What's the
    best way to 'replenish muscle stores after long rides'??

    16-32 oz of skim milk with Ovaltine, taken within 30-60 minutes post ride
    is one way. That gives you a 4:1 carb:protein ratio. If you're lactose
    intolerant, try other mixtures, or eat a turkey sandwich if you like solid
    food. I think you want a certain number of grams of glucose per kilogram of
    bodyweight. Start out with one bottle, and see how that works, I guess.

    Here's a site chosen at random on nutritional requirements for riding 200
    mile fun events:

    http://www.louisvillebicycleclub.org/may01/eating.htm

    So read up by searching on the relevant terms in Google and google groups,
    and find a cycling group in your area and see if they have a website

    HTH,

    jj

    Quoted message said:

    Again, thanks so much!

    -Bob

  12. jj wrote:
    :: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:59:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
    :: <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ::
    ::: Hell and High Water wrote:
    ::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
    ::::: [email hidden] says...
    :::::: Hell and High Water wrote:
    :::::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
    :::::::: [email hidden] says...
    ::::::::
    ::::::::
    ::::::::: The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the
    ::::::::: new feel but your speed won't change.
    ::::::::
    ::::::::
    :::::::: I'm quite sure that what's holding me back at this point is
    :::::::: ME!!!
    ::::::::
    :::::::: So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?
    ::::::
    :::::: Do you need to lose any weight?
    :::::
    ::::: 6' 5"
    :::::
    ::::: 185 lbs
    :::::
    ::::: I guess I could lose a bit....
    :::::
    :::
    ::: Hmm....you might want to train harder 🙂
    ::
    :: That's kind of an abrupt way to put it, bro, particularly since the
    :: OP noted he's recovering from Cancer and a nasty bike wreck. ;-)
    :: [Though I was terse in my recommendation also.]

    Sorry to the OP. I wasn't trying to be abrupt...

    ::
    :: Might have been better to say that for 6'5, 185 is a good weight for
    :: cycling.

    Well, I think it's a good weight, but perhaps not for cycling. I was just
    trying to say that there doesn't seem to be much room for improvement in
    that regard...

    ::
    :: With 15mph over a 25mile course on the flats(?), and a top speed of
    :: 30-32 that's decent depending on your goals. You would be well able
    :: to ride with Group B rides. So define your goals.
    ::
    :: The answer may be to go ride with some Group B riders and try to
    :: hang in there, at the same time take care of yourself and don't ramp
    :: up too fast. The improvement comes during sleep, not during riding.
    :: ;-)
    ::
    :: Ramping up too fast might be considered self-sabotage, but it would
    :: be unintentional. Other examples may be skipping rides, not getting
    :: sufficient sleep, failing to replenish muscle stores after long
    :: rides, failing to drink enough water. Practice power (hill repeats),
    :: as well as cadence (spinning at 10rpm higher than you're doing now,
    :: if possible), make sure you're doing some base work, and doing
    :: active recovery.
    ::
    :: Joel Friel's books are good - are you in your 40s or 50s? If then
    :: browse his 'Cycling over 50', as well as his 'Training Bible'.
    :: They're not cheap, but they are both good reads.

    IMO, trying to get more than about 10% improvement through training is
    optimistic and even that amount maybe hard to accomplish.

    ::
    :: I babble incessantly about this [censored] b/c that's what I'm trying to
    :: do now too. I think it's a phase where a beginner/intermediate
    :: obsesses about training and fails to have fun on the bike as much as
    :: they should. If training isn't fun, then immediately -have fun-
    :: (that's an order!) LOL.
    ::
    :: HTH,
    ::
    :: jj

  13. Hell and High Water said:

    I own an old cheap Bianchi Premio. Steel, steel fork, clips, down tube
    shifters, state-of-the-art it's not...

    I'm 6' 5", 185 lbs.

    Recovering from both Cancer and a nasty bike wreck. (Ribs/Collar
    Bone/Collapsed Lung)

    Currently, my avg speed is about 15 MPH over 20-30 miles, with top speed
    around 30-32.

    Here's the guessing part:

    I may buy a used Bianchi Veloce. Carbon Fork, clipless, Campy Veloce,
    etc.

    Any guesses as to my avg and max speed???

    Also, any thoughts on this bike? I think it's about two or three years
    old. Excellent condition.

    Thanks so much for any help/suggestions/input.

    -Bob

    Bianchis are usually pretty solid values, price a new one for comparison
    -- bike values go down pretty fast. Make sure the new bike is a good fit.

    A new bike won't make you much faster typically. Whatever % difference
    in new bike plus rider weight will translate to the same % faster, but
    only on steep hills, flats won't change.

    A good reason to get a new bike is for reliability. The only way to get
    faster is to get stronger, and that means putting in the miles. A
    reliable bike is necessary for that.

    As you ride your bike more a lot of physical changes occur. There's the
    obvious cardio-vascular capacity improvement (probably the biggest
    factor), but also your muscles develop strength, endurance and
    vascularization (blood supply). This all takes time, perhaps 3-5 years.

    I don't know the details of your crash, but lots of new riders are weak
    in the skills area -- both bike handling and riding in traffic -- you
    can't get stronger if you're laid up all the time.

    Try to find a club in your area, it's the best way to have fun while
    learning to go fast.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

    Thanks so much!!!

    -Bob

  15. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know the details of your crash, but lots of new riders are weak
    in the skills area -- both bike handling and riding in traffic -- you
    can't get stronger if you're laid up all the time.

    Looking over my shoulder to change lanes...didn't see the tire-sized
    seam/gap in the road.

    Don't remember a thing about it, but that's what the witnesses deduced,
    according to my wife.

    Thanks for the note!

    -Bob

  16. Hell and High Water <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    I can tell you what worked for me this summer. For a variety of reasons
    which seemed like good ideas at the time, I did a lot of my century
    training on my commuting bike, a 3-speed metro, 35 pounds. I even did an
    informal century between Mnahattan and South Centerville, NY on it last
    weekend. But now when I get on the Trek or the recumbent, I'm 15% faster
    than I was last year.

    --ag

  17. Andy Gee said:

    Hell and High Water <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    I can tell you what worked for me this summer. For a variety of reasons
    which seemed like good ideas at the time, I did a lot of my century
    training on my commuting bike, a 3-speed metro, 35 pounds. I even did an
    informal century between Mnahattan and South Centerville, NY on it last
    weekend. But now when I get on the Trek or the recumbent, I'm 15% faster
    than I was last year.

    --ag

    Interesting. Numbers?

    Avg speed two years ago?
    Avg speed last year
    Current avg speed?
    Yearly mileage for the last three years?
    Total # of days riding per year, last three years

    (if you don't mind)

    jj

  18. "Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The ride might feel different and you might really enjoy the new feel but
    your speed won't change.

    I guess the anser is it *might*

    If I'm on my recumbent trike, I'm at my slowest - it's not a speed machine,
    it's a tourer and it's not light.

    If I'm on my tourer, fully loaded with panniers, I am *slow*

    If I'm on my tourer without panniers, I am quicker

    If I'm on my road bike (lighter than all the above), I am fastest for me.

    The computers on the bikes show this to be true - for me. YMMV

    Cheers, helen s

  19. Hell and High Water <[email hidden]> wrote:
    :> In article <[email hidden]>,
    :> [email hidden] says...
    :>
    :>
    :>> I don't know the details of your crash, but lots of new riders are
    :>> weak in the skills area -- both bike handling and riding in traffic
    :>> -- you can't get stronger if you're laid up all the time.
    :>
    :>
    :> Looking over my shoulder to change lanes...didn't see the tire-sized
    :> seam/gap in the road.

    Consider getting a Take-a-Look Mirror.

    http://shop.store.yahoo.com/penncyclebuy/564-009.html

  20. jj<[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Andy Gee said:

    Hell and High Water <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    So how do I get faster? Just get stronger?

    I can tell you what worked for me this summer. For a variety of
    reasons which seemed like good ideas at the time, I did a lot of my
    century training on my commuting bike, a 3-speed metro, 35 pounds. I
    even did an informal century between Mnahattan and South Centerville,
    NY on it last weekend. But now when I get on the Trek or the
    recumbent, I'm 15% faster than I was last year.

    --ag

    Interesting. Numbers?

    Avg speed two years ago?
    Avg speed last year

    I measure my speed on three different measured runs. That is to say,
    when I don't actually have anywhere to go in specific, I do some speed
    trials. One is the Hudson River greenway, 5 measured miles from Battery
    Park to West 57th St., the big loop in Central Park, 6 miles, and the
    road from Point Lookout to Long Beach on Long Island, a little more
    complicated to explain but there is a series of fixed radar guns on the
    road.

    For the past three years, I've been at a pretty steady 18 or 19 MPH trip
    speed for 5 to 10 mile runs on one of the "good" bikes. This winter, I
    got the commuter bike and worked up to 18 or 19 MPH on it; on the "good
    bikes" now it's 21 or 22 for the 5 or 6 mile runs, 20 or 21 for the 10.

    Quoted message said:

    Current avg speed?

    20 - 22 MPH trip speed on the 10 mile measured runs.

    Quoted message said:

    Yearly mileage for the last three years?

    Including the bicycles, the Xootr kick scooter, the Trikke-8, the Street
    Surfer Arm Bike, and the Rollsrolls longboard, it's about 4,500 miles
    per year. The StreetSurfer is a legal bicycle in New York, the Trikke-8
    may or may not be a legal bicycle.

    Quoted message said:

    Total # of days riding per year, last three years

    about 362 or 363. 2004 was a leap year.

    --ag

    Quoted message said:


    (if you don't mind)

    jj

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