Back at it

Ryan Case said:

Spent every free hour for the last five months doing a tear down and
rebuild of our new house. (no really, from 1300 to 2300 s/ft. Only two
rooms weren't taken to the studs.) So I hadn't been to the gym in that
much time. Went back last night. Nothing major as I had to be able to
walk today.

2miles on the elleptical in 20 mins
Followed by *lots* of stretching and
four sets of 8 mild weight deadlifts.

I noticed a nice older lady while I was in between sets of dl's. She was
there every night before. She was standing in front of the mirrors in
her sweatsuit on one leg with the other tucked up behind her knee like a
flamingo. She had what looked to be 2.5 db's and was doing bicep curls
in this stance.

I feel really sorry for this lady. This is the exact same [censored] that
those dummies down there had her doing five months ago. And she looks
the same as she did five months ago. O.K. so her balance was a little
better. She is such a nice lady that a part of me really wants to take
here aside and tell her that she is getting ripped off on her personal
training sessions. But, I doubt that it would help and it would probably
get me invited to not come back.

Hmphh!

Ryan

Being a nice and very elderly lady myself, I can emphathize with
your thoughts on personal trainers who don't advance their clients
to heavier weights on a gradual basis. There definitely is a finite
limit to what we can do over time but we can do far more than we
once thought. Some stay with a trainer for just a short period and
then are afraid to advance on their own. I was lucky to have one
who did encourage me to slowly increase weight and reps, etc.

I don't think it would be amiss to just start a friendly chat with
this woman -- ask her about her experience, etc. I know I appreciated
younger people paying some attention to me🙂 For biceps curls I was
able to gradually increase from 3 pound weights to 10 pounds. And
similar increases in other excercises. See what the woman says about
her training and progression. You can discuss this without being
didactic or upsetting her. At this point you don't really know if it
a trainer or her own fears that holds her back.

I've been away from the gym for over a year because of a medical
problem that I now see will be improved by going back. And presently
I'm not working with a trainer since I've switched gyms as a matter
of convenience to one very close to my home. I'll have to try out the
trainer there and see what I think. Having trained in the past with
two very good ones I think perhaps I can tell the difference.

I'm again back to 3 pound weights. Did too much weight the other day
on the triceps pull down and realized my error. So I will have to be
patient and go in baby steps.

Rita said:

Ryan Case said:

Spent every free hour for the last five months doing a tear down and
rebuild of our new house. (no really, from 1300 to 2300 s/ft. Only two
rooms weren't taken to the studs.) So I hadn't been to the gym in that
much time. Went back last night. Nothing major as I had to be able to
walk today.

2miles on the elleptical in 20 mins
Followed by *lots* of stretching and
four sets of 8 mild weight deadlifts.

I noticed a nice older lady while I was in between sets of dl's. She was
there every night before. She was standing in front of the mirrors in
her sweatsuit on one leg with the other tucked up behind her knee like a
flamingo. She had what looked to be 2.5 db's and was doing bicep curls
in this stance.

I feel really sorry for this lady. This is the exact same [censored] that
those dummies down there had her doing five months ago. And she looks
the same as she did five months ago. O.K. so her balance was a little
better. She is such a nice lady that a part of me really wants to take
here aside and tell her that she is getting ripped off on her personal
training sessions. But, I doubt that it would help and it would probably
get me invited to not come back.

Hmphh!

Ryan

Being a nice and very elderly lady myself, I can emphathize with
your thoughts on personal trainers who don't advance their clients
to heavier weights on a gradual basis.

I wouldn't call her Elderly, just Older. Probably in her mid fifties.

Quoted message said:

There definitely is a finite
limit to what we can do over time but we can do far more than we
once thought. Some stay with a trainer for just a short period and
then are afraid to advance on their own. I was lucky to have one
who did encourage me to slowly increase weight and reps, etc.

This lady changes exercises on about a four week basis. But the weight
never seems to exceed a loaf of bread.

Quoted message said:

I don't think it would be amiss to just start a friendly chat with
this woman -- ask her about her experience, etc. I know I appreciated
younger people paying some attention to me🙂 For biceps curls I was
able to gradually increase from 3 pound weights to 10 pounds. And
similar increases in other excercises. See what the woman says about
her training and progression. You can discuss this without being
didactic or upsetting her. At this point you don't really know if it
a trainer or her own fears that holds her back.

I really doubt that she would mind me asking questions. But, if it got
back to her "trainer" that someone was planting the evil seeds of
progressive resistance in her thoughts. Well, we can all imagine how
that would end for me. It states clearly on the front door. Personal
training by any member or guest, blah blah blah, is prohibited. In other
words, DO NOT compete with our trainers.

Quoted message said:

I've been away from the gym for over a year because of a medical
problem that I now see will be improved by going back. And presently
I'm not working with a trainer since I've switched gyms as a matter
of convenience to one very close to my home. I'll have to try out the
trainer there and see what I think. Having trained in the past with
two very good ones I think perhaps I can tell the difference.

I'm again back to 3 pound weights. Did too much weight the other day
on the triceps pull down and realized my error. So I will have to be
patient and go in baby steps.

Tell me about it. The last time I came back from a layoff of some sort I
had serious walking funny problem for the first week. This time I am
slowly easing back into it with medium work on one big three each night
for the first couple of weeks.

Ryan

Ryan Case said:

Rita said:

Ryan Case said:

Spent every free hour for the last five months doing a tear down and
rebuild of our new house. (no really, from 1300 to 2300 s/ft. Only
two rooms weren't taken to the studs.) So I hadn't been to the gym
in that much time. Went back last night. Nothing major as I had to
be able to walk today.

2miles on the elleptical in 20 mins
Followed by *lots* of stretching and
four sets of 8 mild weight deadlifts.

I noticed a nice older lady while I was in between sets of dl's.
She was there every night before. She was standing in front of the
mirrors in her sweatsuit on one leg with the other tucked up behind
her knee like a flamingo. She had what looked to be 2.5 db's and
was doing bicep curls in this stance.

I feel really sorry for this lady. This is the exact same [censored] that
those dummies down there had her doing five months ago. And she
looks the same as she did five months ago. O.K. so her balance was
a little better. She is such a nice lady that a part of me really
wants to take here aside and tell her that she is getting ripped
off on her personal training sessions. But, I doubt that it would
help and it would probably get me invited to not come back.

Hmphh!

Ryan

Being a nice and very elderly lady myself, I can emphathize with
your thoughts on personal trainers who don't advance their clients
to heavier weights on a gradual basis.

I wouldn't call her Elderly, just Older. Probably in her mid fifties.

Quoted message said:

There definitely is a finite
limit to what we can do over time but we can do far more than we
once thought. Some stay with a trainer for just a short period and
then are afraid to advance on their own. I was lucky to have one
who did encourage me to slowly increase weight and reps, etc.

This lady changes exercises on about a four week basis. But the weight
never seems to exceed a loaf of bread.

Quoted message said:

I don't think it would be amiss to just start a friendly chat with
this woman -- ask her about her experience, etc. I know I
appreciated younger people paying some attention to me🙂 For biceps
curls I was able to gradually increase from 3 pound weights to 10
pounds. And similar increases in other excercises. See what the
woman says about her training and progression. You can discuss this
without being didactic or upsetting her. At this point you don't
really know if it a trainer or her own fears that holds her back.

I really doubt that she would mind me asking questions. But, if it got
back to her "trainer" that someone was planting the evil seeds of
progressive resistance in her thoughts. Well, we can all imagine how
that would end for me. It states clearly on the front door. Personal
training by any member or guest, blah blah blah, is prohibited. In
other words, DO NOT compete with our trainers.

My gym has this "rule" as well. However, if you're a regular who knows what
you're doing, they don't say anything. I'd risk it, and do on a regular
basis. Besides, you're just pushing progressive resistance, not some fringe
new exercise. They would be hard pressed to argue against progressive
resistance.

Quoted message said:

Ryan

--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer

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Quoted message said:

Ryan Case said:

Rita said:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:57:55 -0700, Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Spent every free hour for the last five months doing a tear down and
> rebuild of our new house. (no really, from 1300 to 2300 s/ft. Only
> two rooms weren't taken to the studs.) So I hadn't been to the gym
> in that much time. Went back last night. Nothing major as I had to
> be able to walk today.
>
> 2miles on the elleptical in 20 mins
> Followed by *lots* of stretching and
> four sets of 8 mild weight deadlifts.
>
> I noticed a nice older lady while I was in between sets of dl's.
> She was there every night before. She was standing in front of the
> mirrors in her sweatsuit on one leg with the other tucked up behind
> her knee like a flamingo. She had what looked to be 2.5 db's and
> was doing bicep curls in this stance.
>
> I feel really sorry for this lady. This is the exact same [censored] that
> those dummies down there had her doing five months ago. And she
> looks the same as she did five months ago. O.K. so her balance was
> a little better. She is such a nice lady that a part of me really
> wants to take here aside and tell her that she is getting ripped
> off on her personal training sessions. But, I doubt that it would
> help and it would probably get me invited to not come back.
>
> Hmphh!
>
> Ryan

Being a nice and very elderly lady myself, I can emphathize with
your thoughts on personal trainers who don't advance their clients
to heavier weights on a gradual basis.

I wouldn't call her Elderly, just Older. Probably in her mid fifties.

Quoted message said:

There definitely is a finite
limit to what we can do over time but we can do far more than we
once thought. Some stay with a trainer for just a short period and
then are afraid to advance on their own. I was lucky to have one
who did encourage me to slowly increase weight and reps, etc.

This lady changes exercises on about a four week basis. But the weight
never seems to exceed a loaf of bread.

Quoted message said:

I don't think it would be amiss to just start a friendly chat with
this woman -- ask her about her experience, etc. I know I
appreciated younger people paying some attention to me🙂 For biceps
curls I was able to gradually increase from 3 pound weights to 10
pounds. And similar increases in other excercises. See what the
woman says about her training and progression. You can discuss this
without being didactic or upsetting her. At this point you don't
really know if it a trainer or her own fears that holds her back.

I really doubt that she would mind me asking questions. But, if it got
back to her "trainer" that someone was planting the evil seeds of
progressive resistance in her thoughts. Well, we can all imagine how
that would end for me. It states clearly on the front door. Personal
training by any member or guest, blah blah blah, is prohibited. In
other words, DO NOT compete with our trainers.

My gym has this "rule" as well. However, if you're a regular who knows
what you're doing, they don't say anything. I'd risk it, and do on a
regular basis. Besides, you're just pushing progressive resistance, not
some fringe new exercise. They would be hard pressed to argue against
progressive resistance.

Quoted message said:

I would think the rule applies only to Personal Trainers who charge for
their services.

Bob Garrison said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ryan Case said:

Rita wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:57:55 -0700, Ryan Case <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>> Spent every free hour for the last five months doing a tear down
>> and rebuild of our new house. (no really, from 1300 to 2300 s/ft.
>> Only two rooms weren't taken to the studs.) So I hadn't been to
>> the gym in that much time. Went back last night. Nothing major as
>> I had to be able to walk today.
>>
>> 2miles on the elleptical in 20 mins
>> Followed by *lots* of stretching and
>> four sets of 8 mild weight deadlifts.
>>
>> I noticed a nice older lady while I was in between sets of dl's.
>> She was there every night before. She was standing in front of the
>> mirrors in her sweatsuit on one leg with the other tucked up
>> behind her knee like a flamingo. She had what looked to be 2.5
>> db's and was doing bicep curls in this stance.
>>
>> I feel really sorry for this lady. This is the exact same [censored]
>> that those dummies down there had her doing five months ago. And
>> she looks the same as she did five months ago. O.K. so her
>> balance was a little better. She is such a nice lady that a part
>> of me really wants to take here aside and tell her that she is
>> getting ripped off on her personal training sessions. But, I
>> doubt that it would help and it would probably get me invited to
>> not come back. Hmphh!
>>
>> Ryan
>
>
> Being a nice and very elderly lady myself, I can emphathize with
> your thoughts on personal trainers who don't advance their clients
> to heavier weights on a gradual basis.

I wouldn't call her Elderly, just Older. Probably in her mid
fifties.
> There definitely is a finite
> limit to what we can do over time but we can do far more than we
> once thought. Some stay with a trainer for just a short period and
> then are afraid to advance on their own. I was lucky to have one
> who did encourage me to slowly increase weight and reps, etc.

This lady changes exercises on about a four week basis. But the
weight never seems to exceed a loaf of bread.

>
> I don't think it would be amiss to just start a friendly chat with
> this woman -- ask her about her experience, etc. I know I
> appreciated younger people paying some attention to me🙂 For
> biceps curls I was able to gradually increase from 3 pound weights
> to 10 pounds. And similar increases in other excercises. See what
> the woman says about her training and progression. You can
> discuss this without being didactic or upsetting her. At this
> point you don't really know if it a trainer or her own fears that
> holds her back.

I really doubt that she would mind me asking questions. But, if it
got back to her "trainer" that someone was planting the evil seeds
of progressive resistance in her thoughts. Well, we can all imagine
how that would end for me. It states clearly on the front door.
Personal training by any member or guest, blah blah blah, is
prohibited. In other words, DO NOT compete with our trainers.

My gym has this "rule" as well. However, if you're a regular who
knows what you're doing, they don't say anything. I'd risk it, and
do on a regular basis. Besides, you're just pushing progressive
resistance, not some fringe new exercise. They would be hard
pressed to argue against progressive resistance.

Quoted message said:

I would think the rule applies only to Personal Trainers who charge
for their services.

The gym considers it a safety issue. They don't want a wannabe PT injuring
a member as I understand it. It's not a financial issue.
--
-Larry

"The troll hasn't been born who can troll us worse than we troll
ourselves." Hugh Beyer

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Bob Garrison wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would think the rule applies only to Personal Trainers who charge
for their services.

The gym considers it a safety issue. They don't want a wannabe PT
injuring a member as I understand it. It's not a financial issue.
--
-Larry

So if I get a friend or relative to join, and I train that person the gym
would have a problem with that? I don't think so.

Bob Garrison said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Bob Garrison wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would think the rule applies only to Personal Trainers who charge
for their services.

The gym considers it a safety issue. They don't want a wannabe PT
injuring a member as I understand it. It's not a financial issue.
--
-Larry

So if I get a friend or relative to join, and I train that person the gym
would have a problem with that? I don't think so.

Mine seems to draw the line here. |
|
V
_____________________________________________________________________________

No, all kidding aside. If you are working out with someone. As in
alternating sets and giving advice it seems to be overlooked. If you are
there training someone, but not working out, that is not tolerated.
Members or not.

I think that it is kinda both a safety and financial issue at my gym. I
just have trouble discounting the competition aspect with as much as
they tout their trainers.

Ryan

Ryan

I would not bother personally. You never know WTF someone might be
doing. Maybe she is doing some goofie ass workout just to recover from
a injury or operation. Maybe it is the latest Yoga/strength training
fad.

I just mind my own business, always ready to call 911, if someone does
something really stupid...

mct546 said:

I would not bother personally. You never know WTF someone might be
doing. Maybe she is doing some goofie ass workout just to recover from
a injury or operation. Maybe it is the latest Yoga/strength training
fad.

I just mind my own business, always ready to call 911, if someone does
something really stupid...

why is that we men feel we MUST help women? if it was a guy,
there's no chance that we'd be in the slightest interested.
i tell all the women i know at the gym to not listen when
a fella tells them stuff. or asks if they need help. just say
no thanks. i can help them if they need help. i'm willing.

my experience says that most folk (yes, womens too) are
happy to do the same workout with the same weights
forever. they are at least maintaining. compared to most of
the population whom are falling behind, they are doing well.
....thehick

frank-in-toronto said:

Quoted message said:

I just mind my own business, always ready to call 911, if someone
does something really stupid...

why is that we men feel we MUST help women? if it was a guy,
there's no chance that we'd be in the slightest interested.

I have equal impulse to correct either men or women doing useless or
dangerous stuff. But nearly always I suspect my unsolicited advice
would be unwelcomed so I let natural selection operate.

In article <[email hidden]>,
frank-in-toronto <[email hidden]> writes:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

why is that we men feel we MUST help women? if it was a guy,
there's no chance that we'd be in the slightest interested.

[snip]

I've helped both men and women at my club. All minor stuff. But
I very much limit how far that help goes. I'm not a PT and don't
pretend to be.

--
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spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
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Quoted message said:

Bob Garrison said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Bob Garrison wrote:

Quoted message said:

>I would think the rule applies only to Personal Trainers who charge
>for their services.

The gym considers it a safety issue. They don't want a wannabe PT injuring a member as I
understand it. It's not a financial issue.
--
-Larry

So if I get a friend or relative to join, and I train that person the gym would have a problem
with that? I don't think so.

Mine seems to draw the line here. |
|
V
_____________________________________________________________________________

No, all kidding aside. If you are working out with someone. As in alternating sets and giving
advice it seems to be overlooked. If you are there training someone, but not working out, that is
not tolerated. Members or not.

I think that it is kinda both a safety and financial issue at my gym. I just have trouble
discounting the competition aspect with as much as they tout their trainers.

If you are talking about 24-hour fitness, the company takes over 1/2
of what the trainer is paid. The charge is approximately $50/hour,
with a discount depending on how many sessions are purchased. If
the trainer has one certification, they get something like $18.00/hr
(IIRC). The max they can get is something like $23.00/hr. You,
of course, pay the same.

I suspect that there is a financial element involved.

Art

Art S said:

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Bob Garrison said:

"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

>Bob Garrison wrote:

>>I would think the rule applies only to Personal Trainers who charge
>>for their services.
>
>The gym considers it a safety issue. They don't want a wannabe PT injuring a member as I
>understand it. It's not a financial issue.
>--
>-Larry
>

So if I get a friend or relative to join, and I train that person the gym would have a problem
with that? I don't think so.

Mine seems to draw the line here. |
|
V
_____________________________________________________________________________

No, all kidding aside. If you are working out with someone. As in alternating sets and giving
advice it seems to be overlooked. If you are there training someone, but not working out, that is
not tolerated. Members or not.

I think that it is kinda both a safety and financial issue at my gym. I just have trouble
discounting the competition aspect with as much as they tout their trainers.

If you are talking about 24-hour fitness, the company takes over 1/2
of what the trainer is paid. The charge is approximately $50/hour,
with a discount depending on how many sessions are purchased. If
the trainer has one certification, they get something like $18.00/hr
(IIRC). The max they can get is something like $23.00/hr. You,
of course, pay the same.

I suspect that there is a financial element involved.

Art

It is the local Gold's. I got to know one of the trainers there on a
friend basis. He told me that they make what their hourly wage is for a
training session and the owner keeps all the rest.

Ryan